Issues with boats

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Trellium

Dalayan Beginner
I have been having a terrible time with the boats, worse today than usual. So far, 5 times out of 6 attempts to catch the boat from South Newport to Freeport have dumped me in the water when the boat zones without me. Standing, sitting, moving, lev'ing have no effect on the chances to survive the zoning. We have a chance to be dumped no matter what we do, nor where we are (very front of the boat, back, or inside.

One thing that does seem to work is to do a "/cmd save" right before the boat zones, then /quit out and come back in. By then the boat has zoned, and when you re-enter the game you will load into the same zone as the boat.

We usually need to drop the client entirely to desktop after using /quit, since it will most likely error out if we don't, but this is all fairly fast compared to waiting for the next Freeport boat.

Edit: Tried to /cmd save on the boat, and when I was tossed out for the 7th time, I quit immediately. When I came back, I was still in the water in South Newport. So, you need to /quit out of the boat while you are still on it.
 
This might sound stupid, but here are three tips that work for me when taking boats:

1. Don't sit/med on the boat.
2. Walk to the front of the deck, and stand there rather than anywhere else on the ship. (Not up on the front railing a la Titanic, just towards the front of the ship on the main deck.)
3. Reset your video (alt-enter twice if in FS mode).

Why?
I have no idea.

It seems dumb, but I have not been dropped into the drink at all since doing the above after almost two weeks of play.
Previously, i'd get dumped ~50% of the time.
Coincidence? Of course it's possible, just passing along some observations.
 
1. Don't sit/med on the boat.
Been there, done that. It really has nothing at all to do with your chances of being dumped from the boat.

2. Walk to the front of the deck, and stand there rather than anywhere else on the ship. (Not up on the front railing a la Titanic, just towards the front of the ship on the main deck.)
Of the 7 times I was dumped from the boat yesterday, 6 of those times I was at the front of the boat.

3. Reset your video (alt-enter twice if in FS mode).
I do this almost all of the time. Old EQ habit that does keep the graphics running smoother. Yet, I still end up in the water.

The ONLY fix I have found so far is to board the boat, do a "/cmd save", and then immediately /quit. Then I come back in 5 minutes later or so and hope for the best.

Other rumours are that it happens only in Newport, this isn't true since I was dumped in Freeport, and Erudin as well. My wife also got dumped in Sea of Swords.

The problem appears to be that the boat zones, but the zone area isn't wide enough to let the player get to it. Its like hitting a wall which the boat continues through.
 
Boats work fine for me /shrug. Maybe you're trying too hard?

When i'm bored I like jumping off the boat and getting back on. Have you tried swiming back onto the boat?

- Aeillin
 
Aeillin said:
Boats work fine for me /shrug. Maybe you're trying too hard?

When i'm bored I like jumping off the boat and getting back on. Have you tried swiming back onto the boat?

- Aeillin
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The boat is gone ... duh. It zoned, thats the point. If the boats work fine for you, what the hell are you doing posting here? Farming post counts? /shrug

Also, this is an official bug now, according to the bug list.
 
Yeah, I never had this problem... ever... until about 2 days ago. Now, of the last 5 times I've gotten on a boat, 3 of them I've gone to use the bathroom or some such, and just come back drowning.
 
Trellium said:
Aeillin said:
Boats work fine for me /shrug. Maybe you're trying too hard?

When i'm bored I like jumping off the boat and getting back on. Have you tried swiming back onto the boat?

- Aeillin
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The boat is gone ... duh. It zoned, thats the point. If the boats work fine for you, what the hell are you doing posting here? Farming post counts? /shrug

Also, this is an official bug now, according to the bug list.
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Your response is a bit too asshole for my liking. maybe you misunderstood the fact that I was making an honest suggestion, no need to be a punk about it. I wasn't mocking you. Not everyone on the internet is trying to be a jerk, good hell.

- Aeillin
 
You posted an arrogant post that said you had no issues, so anyone who did must be too stupid to ride a boat. That we are "trying too hard" to zone with the boat (whatever the fuck that means).

Your post included absolutely NO information of value, about what you do to ride the boat.

Your post made fun of other peoples issues for the benefit of yourself.

You lay the blame for not zoning with the player, when the point of this thread is that it is a game issue. You are counter productive.

You assume people don't know how to ride a boat. In my case, I have played EQ/Dalaya since 1999. The complexities of riding a boat were solved long ago for me. I recognize when they are not "working as intended". I also know its an issue that might be hard to locate, so I post as much information as I can regarding what works and what doesn't.

That's not at all "trying too hard", its providing robust information in hopes that it will reduce the developers time during debugging. Firstly, to prove its an issue (support helps that, posts like yours detract from it). Secondly, to show its more than an isolated incident. Thirdly, try to find a work around. Fourthly, show we tried everything, and we still get dumped. Fifthly, reproducability. Either finding cases that always work, or always fail. Those cases assist in testing time for the developers.

This thread isn't about wasting development time frivolously. I care about development costs on expensive projects. I care about it moreso on volunteer projects like this one, since leisure time can be harder to find than project financing. The more information we can gather, and the more accurate it is, the less time is wasted by the dev team. That has value.

Many people are having this boat issue, and posting here about how they shouldn't fall off the boats voluntarily isn't helping. Its dismissing the issue.

My response to your original post was being kind to you. Either add USEFUL INFORMATION to help assess when and how this issue comes up, or don't farm your posts here please. I really don't want this to become a thread of pages of posts saying they have no issue. Obviously, if everyone had this issue all of the time, it would be easier to track down. Its random, not everyone gets it, and not everyone has it all the time.

This thread was never put here "for your liking".
 
ahhhh *puts feet on desk*

some1 is being harassed with negtaive feedback other than me! woot

this feels great!

dont u just love negative posts that contribute absolutely nothing to the actual issue at hand? ( like this one hehe )

if u fall off the boat get back on? rofl .. yes u can get back on boats by pushing thrrough the bow (the front tip), but clearly not if it zoned already
 
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Honestly, Trellium, I do think you read too much into his post. It was lighthearted but not rude, and if he did recommend to swim back on the boat, it could have been explained by a simple misunderstanding of your original post. Keep in mind that falling off the boat and trying to get on again by swimming are common problems/solutions to common boat issues. The point is, you're making a much bigger scene than there needs to be, and you've made some assumptions I don't find valid. In fact, you've done more as a result to derail your own thread than he did! :p

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That being said, I tend to avoid the boats if at all possible, because I was having problems some months ago (after they were *fixed* mind you) and I would end up zoning but not be on the boat, or not end up zoning, etc.

I found that sometimes I ended up zoning wherever I was (swimming in the water) when the boat zoned, as though I was linked to the boat. Sometimes this was useful, sometimes not: sometimes I don't fall off the boat, I meant to jump ship!

In any case, I found that it takes approximately the same amount of time to run through several zones than to take the boat: from Freeport to Newport, I found it just about as quick to run from Freeport through the Wastes to Greenmist and take the TL to Newport as it did to actually sit on the boat! This is not just because I have bard speed, keep in mind I zone slowly and paused for a few minutes to do something when I did this test (vs. a friend of mine who took the boat). Of course, the boat's better: you can go AFK, you don't have to worry about wandering mobs, etc. Nor does it mean the boats shouldn't be fixed, I am just giving you a heads up there. (I am not sure how the new portal system will be in relation to boats, but there are almost always options.)

In the times I have taken the boat recently, it has worked decently fine for me, but I wouldn't be surprised to see myself fall off now and again. I always figured it was a product of my slow computer (read: P3 550 mHz), as my hubby's computer tended to not have so much of a problem. So it's hit and miss I guess. Perhaps the RNG that determines who gets kicked off the boat in a given day just went on a spree on you! ;)
 
Unfortunately you can't walk to Sea of Swords and Storm Sea, both of which are critical (and frequently visited) zones for the main quest. Warrens and Blackburrow are popular hunting dungeons for lower levels, and people need to take boats. Newbie quests start in Newport, but require items from Mistwoods.

There are no translocators, and even if there had been the price is prohibitive at lower levels.

Also, running is fine as you get older, but its still hard to do for lower level players and the main quest expects you to make the trip several times.

I still find the post by Aeillin far more dismissive than helpful. Furthermore, I have derailed absolutely nothing since my responses were entirely on the subject of what I was posting and why.
 
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