few bst suggestions.

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legrat

Dalayan Beginner
I have been raiding with a bst reacently and noticed a few things .

1) Paragon of spirit (aa) will only hit one group. It can be /tgb but for what reason just one group?

2) Frenzy of Spirit (aa) This is a very short melee buff (15sec ish) . I have used it on raids .......but ....It overwrites empower and GoA, leaving the beastlord unhasted.
Is this ment to be?

3) Cunning of the beast (spell) One group only. Im guessing this is surposed to be this way, but I will just mention it just incase is not.


The paragon of spirit and cunning (with groups link correctly)will only hit one group. Just wondering if this can be changed .
 
IIRC one of those (Cunning I think) is a +30% spell damage modifier, which is quite a buff for a group full of wizards with relics and whatnot. I'd assume that since it is better than a bard's relic: fiery warcry (which has AoE % spell damage modifier, which isnt as high) in that sense, its benefit being limited to one group is reasonable. This is probably why those buffs are /tgb-able: so you can cast it on 6 wizards instead of 5 wizards and a beastlord.

Then again I may be completely off, so whatever :)
 
Cunning is meant to be group only (and it's a 20% dmg increase and -20% agro).
Paragon is 480 mana over 6 ticks and is probably not mean to be raid wide.
Frenzy of Spirit probably should be changed, as it does not stack with Glory. However, it *does* stack with empower, but you'd be losing out on 17% haste for most of the raid, and only Frenzying for half a minute.
 
Paragon also used to overwrite the cleric self buff/mana regen, is that still the case? Been a while since i've tried it. Always wondered if that was done on purpse or not, being that using this in a group with a cleric turns into either a bitchfest about rebuffing every 15 minutes or a waste of 6 AAs while grouped.
 
Aeran said:
IIRC one of those (Cunning I think) is a +30% spell damage modifier, which is quite a buff for a group full of wizards with relics and whatnot. I'd assume that since it is better than a bard's relic: fiery warcry (which has AoE % spell damage modifier, which isnt as high) in that sense, its benefit being limited to one group is reasonable. This is probably why those buffs are /tgb-able: so you can cast it on 6 wizards instead of 5 wizards and a beastlord.

Then again I may be completely off, so whatever :)
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As Rab said, Cunning is +20% spell damage, and -20% aggro. Bard's Relic: Fiery Warcry of Tarhyl has a +30% spell damage modifier, as well as a +30% overhaste (song haste). Cunning and Relic: Warcry don't stack. As a bard, I hate to see non-stackable songs (especially on Relics! :( ), and I beleive non-stackable songs greatly decreases the desirability and utility of bards in groups and raids. Limiting Cunning to one group seems like a good way to keep both the Beastlord and the Bard in business together, here.
 
I've posted here and on the buglist about the frenzy of spirit thing. I guess it just isn't high priority. I think it should be a regular buff that only overwrites haste as long as it is in effect, kinda like wearing two haste items.

KAS
 
Yeah, wish we could do that with Relic: Warcry and Cunning. But it's kind of nice to be able to choose. If a caster has problems with too much aggro, Cunning is probably better for them, even if it means less damage.
 
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Hace said:
Beasts are basically the serverwide joke get use to not finding groups and asked for sow and SB because your use is limited =p
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no, its just you. Its a severwide secret tho.
 
Hace said:
Beasts are basically the serverwide joke get use to not finding groups and asked for sow and SB because your use is limited =p
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... if this is true then what are rangers? Honestly beastlords have a lot more utility than a ranger, and if rangers are fine then so are bst's. [Comparing Aeran vs. Fetchumn, since I havent really grouped with others] Beastlords can do the same/more damage as a Ranger, tank about the same, and their utility is: SB + SV + Cunning + Paragon + Slow + whatever else they can do, as opposed to (lol) CoTP in a group/raid setting. You can do great DPS, have the best slow in game, have essential hp/mana buffs that stack with nearly everything, and can tank decently, thats pretty useful in any setting.
 
Aeran only dreams about being able to do 200 dps (sorry, bud).

It's true that bsts aren't top of the heap on the dps scale but they have simply amazing versatility. I'd even go so far as to say they rival bards in that regard. Given the scarcity of paladins with SSS, SV is the hybrid hp buff of choice since rangers don't even get one (unlike on live). They also have that great style (forget which one) that allows their pet to take a large portion of their incoming melee dmg. Given the option, I'll take a beast in my groups any day... even over shaman. People that don't like having beastlords in their group either don't know anything about the class or have had the misfortune to group with bsts that didn't know how to play the class. Beastlords rock!
 
I've always said beastlords are the most balanced of the hybrids. They definitely are not the best at the things they do, but they bring a lot of different situational utility to groups and raids. They are not "uber," Hace, and I think sarcasm doesn't help your point if you feel they are underpowered.

The main thing they don't bring is stackability to raids; like bards, you only need one per raid for effectiveness. That, however, does not make them underpowered or unbalanced, especially given comparisons to the more broken classes of paladin (never needed tanks), ranger (sub-par dps), SKs (MT for a few mobs, useless for other situations), or extra non-MT warriors.
 
Backing up what Rab said. Subtle doesn't mean weak, and just because beastlords aren't as balls-out as other classes doesn't mean they're not as good. Beast comes before a lot of other classes on the "shit I want in my groups" list, they just aren't often available.

phlit said:
Someone was dropped on their head as a child. Several times.
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Man, I don't care what Hace posted (I only see the ...s), you can shitcan that nublet attitude on the double. C'mon man, you're a ranger, you can at least empathize with feeling like a role-confused hybrid on the short end of the balance stick
 
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