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Remember those funny ads in RoboCop? The similarity is striking.
 
global warming lol.. i supposed the average temperature on mars increasing synchronically with the earth is because of the mars rover up. has nothing to do with the sun's cycles :roll:
 
Global warming or not it is very bad to pollute as much as humans do, I dont think anyone is going to dispute that.
 
yeah that's true, it just bugs me when i hear these people spout off about global warming as if it's actually going to kill us all, and i clicked the link and the first words i see "Global Warming" stick out like a sore thumb :mad:
 
I have to agree with the ridiculousness of some Global Warming alarmism. And then you have the media that thrives off of it. The Day After Tomorrow? Trash, scientifically. Entertaining (perhaps), but trash. I wish a lot of people would put less stock into Hollywood science. =(

Having said that; anybody who drives and SUV but never offroads should be kicked in the shins.
 
Do any of you have any idea of the dynamics of how a hurricane works? Warmer ocean waters translate into stronger hurricanes in general. This is just one example of what global warming can do to harm us, or rather what we are doing to harm ourselves. In other words the shit we do on this Earth really does have an affect on people like you and me.

EDIT: This post wasn't directly singularly at you, even if I think you take the issue just a little too lightly.
 
A few simple confirmable truths:

1. Global warming is happening. 1 c worldwide increase, although small, means that it is warming at this point in time.
2. Humans are contributing to the warming by various emmisions. The debate is how much. (does it matter?)
3. Natural Global warming isn't "bad", the earth climate changes, however that adaption may be inconvient for its inhabitants (humans).
4. As inhabitants of earth, it is a bad idea to contribute or accelerate global warming, only makes it harder on oneself.
5. Global warming has been used as political ploys and the extremists do exist. This doesn't mean Global warming doesnt exist or is unimportant.
6. Laws to help protect our enviroment are good, despite being inconvient or annoying at times.
 
luceri said:
global warming lol.. i supposed the average temperature on mars increasing synchronically with the earth is because of the mars rover up. has nothing to do with the sun's cycles :roll:

Is your argument here that humans cannot be the cause of something if it occurs naturally as well, or are you just a troll?

luceri said:
yeah that's true, it just bugs me when i hear these people spout off about global warming as if it's actually going to kill us all, and i clicked the link and the first words i see "Global Warming" stick out like a sore thumb :mad:

No, not all of us, mostly just lots of poor people since they're the ones that will be homeless and starving when coastal areas are flooded.
 
Earth has been ina global warming for 20,000 years... since the middle of the ice age.

The "greenhouse gases" is something akin to the little green men from Mars... it is roughly the little invisible gases from Venus.

One volcano eruption last year poured more grennhouse gases into the atmosphere at one time than mankind has since the beginning of the industriasl revolution.
 
moghedancarns said:
Earth has been ina global warming for 20,000 years... since the middle of the ice age.

The "greenhouse gases" is something akin to the little green men from Mars... it is roughly the little invisible gases from Venus.

One volcano eruption last year poured more grennhouse gases into the atmosphere at one time than mankind has since the beginning of the industriasl revolution.

Irrelevant, no, and source.

The effect humans are having on global warming is pretty much solidly and scientifically proven, there's no debate on the matter anymore except among people who are utterly desperate to never admit to being at fault.
 
No Wiz. 95% of all scientists in the world are completely retarded. Only the petrol industry and their lobby know and tell the truth :lol:
 
In the last 7 years, Icebergs that have been around, completely frozen since the last Ice-age, have lost 10% of their mass. I find it hard to believe that's not Global warming. Global warming DOES exist, and if left unchecked, WILL melt the polar icecaps eventually and flood most coastal areas, and islands like Hawaii will be gone. The United States government is currently researching ideas to get rid of Greenhouse gasses in the atmosphore to slow down and stop Global Warming. I find it amazingly hard to believe someone can just say "lol global warming, I bet mars gets hotter at the same rate as earth because of the mars rover LOLOLOLOLOL" and dismiss the whole thing. Please, for my sake, move to a coastal community and live there for the next 20 years. Then I can laugh as you get flooded.
 
Yes, there is global warming. Yes, there is an increase in Co2. Yes, the polar ice caps are melting. Yes, icebergs that have been around sice the ice age... when they were formed, are melting.

65 million years ago, the world was warmer, the air had more Co2, the polar ice caps were very small, the sea level was higher, and the icebergs were warm liquid. I am pretty sure humans had nothing to do with it.

Fast forward, the world was much colder, the air had less Co2, the polar ice caps practically met at the equator, the sea level was so low you could walk from asia to america, and the icebergs formed.

Fast forward, ....

Are we the CAUSE? No. Do we accelerate the process? Maybe, if so, very, very slightly. Will there be a noticable change in our lifetime, or in the lifetimes of any relative that will remember us? No, this is not the movies. Can we stop it, or even slow it? No.

People in costal communities are not going to go to bed one night and wake up underwater the next morning, or any morning. Coastline shifting is a much faster process that can be affected by mankind, but only to disrupt the exact flow and location. It will not be stopped.

There are "Scientists" who claim that mankind was graced from the heavens 4027 years ago. That doesn't make them correct.
 
The Media loves to sell drama and catasrophes. Why cause they sell better .

Some ppl likes to doom the earth . Why ? Cause peapol are easier controlled when they are in fear.

Look at Jehovas their magasine the watchtower has allways something like you will die soon cause of umm hard rock or global warning or something else .

Fear is why dictators can rule a country whitout ppl rise against the tyranny .

Global warming comming ? yeah maybe we take a long curve of the earth warming and then we get artic winter again but i will be dead then and so will my childrens children.
 
ok, so we've heard a lot of views from a lot of people. so let's see what the scientist think,

from Science journal, a peer-reveiwed publication described as "the world's leading journal of original scientific research, global news, and commentary" [1] (emphasis mine)

Policy-makers and the media, particularly in the United States, frequently assert that climate science is highly uncertain. Some have used this as an argument against adopting strong measures to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. For example, while discussing a major U.S. Environmental Protection Agency report on the risks of climate change, then-EPA administrator Christine Whitman argued, "As [the report] went through review, there was less consensus on the science and conclusions on climate change" (1). Some corporations whose revenues might be adversely affected by controls on carbon dioxide emissions have also alleged major uncertainties in the science (2). Such statements suggest that there might be substantive disagreement in the scientific community about the reality of anthropogenic climate change. This is not the case.

The scientific consensus is clearly expressed in the reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Created in 1988 by the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environmental Programme, IPCC's purpose is to evaluate the state of climate science as a basis for informed policy action, primarily on the basis of peer-reviewed and published scientific literature (3). In its most recent assessment, IPCC states unequivocally that the consensus of scientific opinion is that Earth's climate is being affected by human activities: "Human activities ... are modifying the concentration of atmospheric constituents ... that absorb or scatter radiant energy. ... [M]ost of the observed warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations" [p. 21 in (4)].

In recent years, all major scientific bodies in the United States whose members' expertise bears directly on the matter have issued similar statements. For example, the National Academy of Sciences report, Climate Change Science: An Analysis of Some Key Questions, begins: "Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth's atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise"

The drafting of such reports and statements involves many opportunities for comment, criticism, and revision, and it is not likely that they would diverge greatly from the opinions of the societies' members. Nevertheless, they might downplay legitimate dissenting opinions. That hypothesis was tested by analyzing 928 abstracts, published in refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003, and listed in the ISI database with the keywords "climate change" (9).

The 928 papers were divided into six categories: explicit endorsement of the consensus position, evaluation of impacts, mitigation proposals, methods, paleoclimate analysis, and rejection of the consensus position. Of all the papers, 75% fell into the first three categories, either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position.

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0% of peer-reveiwed papers published in scientific journals dispute that global warming is caused by greenhouse emissions due to human activities.

so, the scientists believe in global warming. and they believe we are the cause. i am going to take their word on this one.

Will there be a noticable change in our lifetime, or in the lifetimes of any relative that will remember us? No, this is not the movies.

as long as you don't consider record-breaking temperatures all around the country "noticable change" .. here is a report issued last year.

Analyses of the average global temperatures in 2005 released by four scientific agencies—The National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration (NOAA); NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies; The World Meteorological Organization; and the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research—agree that 2005 was either the hottest or second-hottest year since the start of record-keeping in the late 1880s. The 10 hottest years on record have all occurred since 1990.

the 10 hottest years ever recorded happened in the last 15 years. coincidence? or are things heating up on planet earth

NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies said:
Global warming is now 0.6°C in the past three decades and 0.8°C in the past century. It is no longer correct to say that “most global warming occurred before 1940.” More accurately, there was slow global warming, with large fluctuations, over the century up to 1975 and subsequent rapid warming of almost 0.2°C per decade

...

Recent warming coincides with rapid growth of human-made greenhouse gases. Climate models show that the rate of warming is consistent with expectations. The observed rapid warming thus gives urgency to discussions about how to slow greenhouse gas emissions.

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the interenet is a great big place, full of helpful infomation just a mouseclick away. so why am i the only one citing respectable scientific bodies and not expecting people to just take my word on it?
 
There are "Scientists" who claim that mankind was graced from the heavens 4027 years ago. That doesn't make them correct.

absurd strawman of an argument. i noticed how you used quotation marks around the term scientist. is it because that statement has no grounding in science whatsoever, and while a "scientist" should feel free to hold opinions on religion and faith, a scientist (no quotes) understands that nothing involving the supernatural world even approaches the realm of science?

regardless, your point is "some scientists are wrong sometimes, therefore scientistific consensus on global warming is wrong this time"

so, when 100% of all peer-reviewed scientific publications agree with the statement about mankind and the heavens, i'll say you have a great argument.
 
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