Content that can use a facelift;

[Abelfaec]

I'm arguing that the majority of the bugs in the zone are not zone breaking, not that they don't exist. But I'm sorry that you've been thus far unable to figure out the Gorzenath quest.

I'm not worried about Gorzenath, because I don't depend on a monopoly based on inside information. I am the only other person who actively kills PoFire aside from Goon Squad and despite your opinion of me, I am fairly resourceful and logical about approaching new content. It's obscure, and it's very difficult to figure out, but honestly that doesn't bother me. I will be extremely relieved and proud when I figured it out. But don't sit up on your high horse and point fingers at other people saying they should understand, or they could figure it out, when you had someone hold your hand.

It needs tweaking, unless PoFire is designed to cater towards gearing new Goon Squad members for the rest of eternity, it doesn't need to be easy, or explained, but it needs tweaking.

 

[meyers]

I am the only other person who actively kills PoFire aside from Goon Squad

It needs tweaking, unless PoFire is designed to cater towards gearing new Goon Squad members for the rest of eternity, it doesn't need to be easy, or explained, but it needs tweaking.

It is funny that you say this. There is a guild in Plane of Fire right now. Also, Novus raided there regularly.

I have been referring to the Gorzenath quest repeatedly because I assumed that's what you meant by "progression quest." I assumed that is what you meant because that is what you posted:

Plane of Fire : This is all kinda of jacked up from the quest progression raid mobs (Sephaa Salaar is the first) Maysun, and Gorzenath are also very glitchy.

All I've done thus far were tell you that the Gorzenath quest you were referring to is not buggy or broken.

 

[Slaariel]

guardian mephit's death does nothing to the zone there is undoubtedly a bug in pofire but cursory script inspection shows it has nothing to do with the guardian mephit.

 

[Abelfaec]

All I've done thus far were tell you that the Gorzenath quest you were referring to is not buggy or broken.

The zone progression quest is initiated by the Dowleh, in Calla Hakim, which you arive in after having killed 2 non quest related Raid encounters. This NPC initiates all the direction for progression in this zone, and tells you to about the tensions between Cala Hakim and Cala Subayb.

The Dowleh's quests are broken, and aside from hamfisting the rest of the zone with inside information or ringers, progression is virtually impossible. This topic was about zones that need a little facelift to accommodate true progression, rather than forced progression through the use of rigners. Of which you and your guild is a perfect example regarding this specific zone. I think it's a problem, if you don't, cool, but quit avoiding the topic.

Again, I admitted to knowing people go to PoFire all the time for artifacts, this zone is not excluded from the quest, but it is almost always Guardian Mephit only.

If you want more details about what is wrong with azzerach, go check my azzerach thread which you seemed to be afraid to comment on and quit derailing the point of my original post. Azzerach is buggy, this wasn't about azzerach, please stop derailing and trolling to secure an exclusive hold.

 

[Abelfaec]

guardian mephit's death does nothing to the zone there is undoubtedly a bug in pofire but cursory script inspection shows it has nothing to do with the guardian mephit.

I'm not sure then slaar, I'm sorry i was only guessing at the cause, i don't get to see what you can see on your end.

 

[meyers]

Abel if you would read my first post in this thread in the you would see that it is offering advice and encouragement.

My subsequent posts have been to encourage anyone who reads it to try and raid Plane of Fire, because the problems in the zone (while they exist) are over exaggerated.

You are welcome to tinfoil and insult people, but this is not the forum for it. Please start a thread in chillville about the myriad ways the staff has helped Goon Squad. Please. Everybody wants that thread to happen, and they want you to post it.

 

[Abelfaec]

Abel if you would read my first post in this thread in the you would see that it is offering advice and encouragement.

My subsequent posts have been to encourage anyone who reads it to try and raid Plane of Fire, because the problems in the zone (while they exist) are over exaggerated.

You are welcome to tinfoil and insult people, but this is not the forum for it. Please start a thread in chillville about the myriad ways the staff has helped Goon Squad. Please. Everybody wants that thread to happen, and they want you to post it.

I simply referred to your character is being the ultimate ringer and crutch for the only people who have progressed this zone entirely, and i used it as a point not an insult. I didn't say "staff", and i didn't regress to insults until you continued to either avoid addressing the original point of this thread or simply didn't read it.

I honestly don't even know you aside from the one time i sent rivest a tell and you quickly told me to fuck off without me having said anything but "hello" l, now you're telling me you encourage people to raid this and are trying to stimulate? It may have been Torleran though, he has a tendency to be that ill mannered.

The zone is misleading, discouraging, and has bugs scattered all the way starting at the first time you encounter the Dowleh, all the way to Maysun, Gorzenath, and when/if you decide to battle the Dowleh.

You are on the opposite side of the fence from the rest of the server on this topic. But you are still entitled to your opinion. I just don't see you being unbias about this, which is incredibly important in assessing what the problem with this, and other zones might be.

 

[Obscenitor]

I simply referred to your character is being the ultimate ringer and crutch for the only people who have progressed this zone entirely, and i used it as a point not an insult. I didn't say "staff", and i didn't regress to insults until you continued to either avoid addressing the original point of this thread or simply didn't read it.

I honestly don't even know you aside from the one time i sent rivest a tell and you quickly told me to fuck off without me having said anything but "hello" l, now you're telling me you encourage people to raid this and are trying to stimulate? It may have been Torleran though, he has a tendency to be that ill mannered.

The zone is misleading, discouraging, and has bugs scattered all the way starting at the first time you encounter the Dowleh, all the way to Maysun, Gorzenath, and when/if you decide to battle the Dowleh.

You are on the opposite side of the fence from the rest of the server on this topic. But you are still entitled to your opinion. I just don't see you being unbias about this, which is incredibly important in assessing what the problem with this, and other zones might be.

You are the only one on the other side of the fence.

 

[Abelfaec]

You are the only one on the other side of the fence.

Nope. You probably even understand what the "fence" is in the implied metaphor. Thanks for stopping by and contributing to the local Troll count though.

 

[Obscenitor]

Nope. You probably even understand what the "fence" is in the implied metaphor.

The fence is sanity, we are all on the side that try to decipher and understand your posts/reasoning/existence. You are on the other side.

 

[Abelfaec]

The fence is sanity, we are all on the side that try to decipher and understand your posts/reasoning/existence. You are on the other side.

At one point in time my posts were hard to decipher, understood.

You are sitting spread eagle on top of the fence correcting punctuation and debating whether or not a point is valid because of it's grammar and syntax.

My logic was never unsound, just poorly-communicated. I was just never raised to be a hair-splitter or knit-picker, which I've realized is the only way to communicate anything to people like you. So I've decided to step my game up and actually make an attempt to contribute. You however are welcome to continue being a pointless troll.

If the fence was sanity, I would imagine you would have a hard time even seeing it, let alone having any chance at knowing which side you stand on.

 

[Obscenitor]

At one point in time my posts were hard to decipher, understood.

You are sitting spread eagle on top of the fence correcting punctuation and debating whether or not a point is valid because of it's grammar and syntax.

My logic was never unsound, I just was never raised to be a hair-splitter or knit-picker, which I've realized is the only way to communicate anything to people like you. So I've decided to step my game up and actually make an attempt to contribute. You however are welcome to continue being a pointless troll.

Okay here we go I will give this a real shot:

Plane of Fire is a bit buggy I will give you that but it has not stopped a guild that ISN'T GOON SQUAD from progressing through the entirety of the zone including Gorzenath.

 

[Abelfaec]

Okay here we go I will give this a real shot:

Plane of Fire is a bit buggy I will give you that but it has not stopped a guild that ISN'T GOON SQUAD from progressing through the entirety of the zone including Gorzenath.

Interesting. I have never heard of anyone else killing Gorzenath. It stops alot of people, a very high percentage of people, i was unaware anyone else managed. Numinous stopped at Maysun. I spoke with Kharras about his frustrations with the zone.

The OP was titled "Content that can use a facelift;" not "Get rid of this or hand out STRATZ PLZ" because when i started this post, i made it very clear that it just needed a tune up to be a quality zone, which you have conceded is true. I really wish people like you would think before you decide to drop incoherent and out of context troll-bombs on every thread I write. City of Mercy is by far still more broke than PoFire, i understand all these things. They both just need some work.

 

[Obscenitor]

Interesting. I have never heard of anyone else killing Gorzenath. It stops alot of people, a very high percentage of people, i was unaware anyone else managed. Numinous stopped at Maysun. I spoke with Kharras about his frustrations with the zone.

Novus Ordinatum.

 

[Obscenitor]

The OP was titled "Content that can use a facelift;" not "Get rid of this or hand out STRATZ PLZ" because when i started this post, i made it very clear that it just needed a tune up to be a quality zone, which you have conceded is true. I really wish people like you would think before you decide to drop incoherent and out of context troll-bombs on every thread I write. City of Mercy is by far still more broke than PoFire, i understand all these things. They both just need some work.

I decided to stop by when you started dropping inane posts about tinfoils and insider information etc. etc. in fact it seems the majority of your complaints are about staff corruption and I often wonder how you are still around.

 

[Abelfaec]

Novus Ordinatum.

Awesome. Tani and her crowd are good people. I would love to hear from them about how their trailblazing of this zone went, they are also an example of a very commited, very tight knit guild that can recover from long strat learning raids. I'd also like to know more about when they progressed this zone, and it is 2 tiers below them for the most part.

Any Novus officers wanna contribute opinion (not strats) on the zone progression?

 

[Abelfaec]

I decided to stop by when you started dropping inane posts about tinfoils and insider information etc. etc. in fact it seems the majority of your complaints are about staff corruption and I often wonder how you are still around.

Bias != Corruption.

Inside information? Cyzaine was always a talker, if he came to a zone to fix something anyone experienced during a trial run he would end up talking their ears off, i know, he did it with me. Talking about a bug with one mob turned into a 45 minute critical discussion about the change in direction of city of mercy, and the eventual plan to add althunna as an encounter. That's just the way he was, and I'm not saying being party to conversations like that corrupts you, I'm simply saying that i can't recall everything Cyzaine and I spoke about when bug trailblazing mercy, and it would be near impossible for Meyers to recall all of the conversations about PoFire. I don't know anything about how Novus progressed the zone, but Goon Squad's progression is directly related to the conversations they had.

The only time I have ever hinted at corruption has been in direct reponse to a dev making a direct attack at me. I've put my disputes with slaariel aside, conceded that I was a horrible typer and probably made his life harder by not being concise.

I try my best to contribute, took the criticism to heart and worked on my communication. This all incredibly irrelevant to the OP, and i wish you had never brought it up, but I will not allow you to troll me without being called out on your bs.


I never implied Meyers was corrupt, I said bias, and that he had the designer he was able to talk to while progressing the zone; neither of which is incorrect or an insult. I however did call torleran ill mannered, you are welcome to argue that if you're running out of things to argue, but i'm not sure it's a good idea.

 

[Severien]

Interesting. I have never heard of anyone else killing Gorzenath. It stops alot of people, a very high percentage of people, i was unaware anyone else managed. Numinous stopped at Maysun. I spoke with Kharras about his frustrations with the zone.

The OP was titled "Content that can use a facelift;" not "Get rid of this or hand out STRATZ PLZ" because when i started this post, i made it very clear that it just needed a tune up to be a quality zone, which you have conceded is true. I really wish people like you would think before you decide to drop incoherent and out of context troll-bombs on every thread I write. City of Mercy is by far still more broke than PoFire, i understand all these things. They both just need some work.

Actually Numinous was mostly happy with the zone, but being one of the first guilds really trying to progress it, by the time Cyzaine was done tweaking it we had progressed past its usefulness and it wasn't worth bothering with Gorzenath. Progression right up to Gorzenath, however, is just fine and fairly straightforward, at least now that Guardian Mephit is appropriately tweaked. I can't speak for Gorzenath himself, but considering I see his loot float by occasionally I would guess that there is no significant problem.

 

[Abelfaec]

Actually Numinous was mostly happy with the zone, but being one of the first guilds really trying to progress it, by the time Cyzaine was done tweaking it we had progressed past its usefulness and it wasn't worth bothering with Gorzenath. Progression right up to Gorzenath, however, is just fine and fairly straightforward, at least now that Guardian Mephit is appropriately tweaked. I can't speak for Gorzenath himself, but considering I see his loot float by occasionally I would guess that there is no significant problem.

Yeah, I honestly can't speak for gorzenath, all I know is the sword you get from sephaa salaar doesn't do anything when given to the guy who asks you to kill him. It can be indentified, but is vague, and everyone in the hakim city does not respond to it, nor any questions about it. Mephitkalia's soul also prompts a very buggy quest script when you talk to the trader about it, which i detailed in my azzerach post.

Again, I don't know anything about how you trigger gorzenath, which is why I always referred to the "zone progression" in a vague sense, because it's not very clear when the things you are asked to do prompt no response when you do them. I have killed everything up to the Dowleh (after turning maysun's head) which bugged out as he moved (part of his event). The dowleh's fight is INCREDIBLY buggy, but we only tried it once, and haven't managed to get around to doing it again, so not sure if that was resolved. I don't know what the final step is get to the heart of fire, but if you go through this zone from start to finish and kill everything along the way, the items you would logically deduce might lead you to Gorzenath promote buggy responses from npcs all around Cala Hakim, and they're quests don't end with any resolution.

Maybe the only thing Cyzaine told Meyers is that all the items you find with no stats and vague identify text are irrelevent, and if so, maybe they need to be removed. But all of the Dowleh's quests are bugged, and any logical person entering this zone for the first time would assume that is the natural progression route, and lose raid motivation to continue since it's so vague and misleading.

It also troubles me that so many of you seem to know things about this zone and instead of contributing anything to the other listed problems with PoFire you decided to directly attack the only statement I made that was even questionable. If you know that much about this zone I challenge you to put it to good use rather than bicker endlessly about Gorzenath for 15 posts.

 

[Melestav]

SB has done Gorzenath previously, and I am one step away in my personal mission to be able to spawn him again. Resurgum basically learned the zone inside out on tier earlier this year.

The jeweler will, in fact, finish a quest in the zone for you quite unexpectedly. AFAIK the city event was broken *forevers* but was finally fixed by Slaar on my personal request a month or so ago. There is still an easily(?) fixable bug with Dowleh positioning on later attempts that should probably be looked at, as it just murders a progressing guild that doesn't know what is what. This same post-wipe positioning bug also afflicts Maysun, which can require a GM reset depending on where she ends up.

I sent a list of other stuff that was broken to Tao and Slaar months ago that no one ever bothered to address, such is life in PoF.

The only thing I don't understand also perfectly well in the zone now is the Eye of Tarhyl, aside from it just being flavor?