mad1337nes
Dalayan Adventurer
I SEE WHAT WE DID THERE
Caster quest/farm efficency.
- Thread starter Silosobi
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Imo the problem is far deeper than just summoning mobs. There is a balance issue in SoD and it's partly down to the disparity between casters and melees, but it is perhaps even more down to the 2 box thing, and the uneven interractions between different types of duos.
The classes are reasonably well balanced when it cames to soloing. In other words, a good tank is kind of, sort of, round about, vaguely equal to a good caster. Tanks may be super powerful, but when soloing a tough mob in an average zone, they take a long time to do so because they are not as fast as a caster, and they would take serious beating during it too and have to spend time to recover their health afterwards. So it kind of evens out compared to a caster who is quite efficient at killing things 1 on 1, but very squishy and depending on downtime with mana too.
The big problem is when you add a healer bot. Add a healer to a caster and it does very little to help. Add a healer to a tank, and you are now basically godlike. Look at zones like Highkeep for example. A good healer/tank combo can pull the entire floor, tank and spank it all down and the healer just ez-heals the tank and maybe does some AE if possible to help take it all down faster.
A caster combined with anything, can just not do that. Not only are they incapable of fighting large numbers of mobs, and summoning mobs, but mobs that are immune to root, fear, or db/flurry/etc are also generally out of bounds too. Especially if you are a pet class, because a pet can just not cope against those kinds of damage spikes.
The bottom line to me is that it generally seems like the best and easiest journey in this game is to just be a tank and druid/shaman.
It's a shame because I personally find the caster classes to be by far the most fun to play, solo. But when my high tier necro/cleric combo gets pwned by mobs that a t1 tank/healer combo can easily kill with their eyes closed, it makes me very sadface. And with a large part of the game (like the faction quests) involving mass farming of massive numbers of mobs, it just becomes far too tedious to do that with a caster when a tank/healer can just spank it all in large batches. (And when I say tank, even Monks can do it too). These uber duos get all their quests done quicker and easier, they get to kill FAR more mobs in the game, including even low tier raid content, and they also get far better XP when it comes to general duo'ing.
It frustrated me sufficiently that I have since abandoned my tier 9 necro/cleric combo and made a pally/druid combo that wipes the floor with anything. I still find it far more fun and challenging and deep to play the older combo, but seeing as this game is entirely about aa's/tomes/quest completion/and making lots of cash, then I am far better off just playing my new ez-mode combo and farming a bunch of 1m plat charms and 40+ tomes. So I found a solution, but it would be very nice if we could find a solution that doesn't just involve rerolling.
The classes are reasonably well balanced when it cames to soloing. In other words, a good tank is kind of, sort of, round about, vaguely equal to a good caster. Tanks may be super powerful, but when soloing a tough mob in an average zone, they take a long time to do so because they are not as fast as a caster, and they would take serious beating during it too and have to spend time to recover their health afterwards. So it kind of evens out compared to a caster who is quite efficient at killing things 1 on 1, but very squishy and depending on downtime with mana too.
The big problem is when you add a healer bot. Add a healer to a caster and it does very little to help. Add a healer to a tank, and you are now basically godlike. Look at zones like Highkeep for example. A good healer/tank combo can pull the entire floor, tank and spank it all down and the healer just ez-heals the tank and maybe does some AE if possible to help take it all down faster.
A caster combined with anything, can just not do that. Not only are they incapable of fighting large numbers of mobs, and summoning mobs, but mobs that are immune to root, fear, or db/flurry/etc are also generally out of bounds too. Especially if you are a pet class, because a pet can just not cope against those kinds of damage spikes.
The bottom line to me is that it generally seems like the best and easiest journey in this game is to just be a tank and druid/shaman.
It's a shame because I personally find the caster classes to be by far the most fun to play, solo. But when my high tier necro/cleric combo gets pwned by mobs that a t1 tank/healer combo can easily kill with their eyes closed, it makes me very sadface. And with a large part of the game (like the faction quests) involving mass farming of massive numbers of mobs, it just becomes far too tedious to do that with a caster when a tank/healer can just spank it all in large batches. (And when I say tank, even Monks can do it too). These uber duos get all their quests done quicker and easier, they get to kill FAR more mobs in the game, including even low tier raid content, and they also get far better XP when it comes to general duo'ing.
It frustrated me sufficiently that I have since abandoned my tier 9 necro/cleric combo and made a pally/druid combo that wipes the floor with anything. I still find it far more fun and challenging and deep to play the older combo, but seeing as this game is entirely about aa's/tomes/quest completion/and making lots of cash, then I am far better off just playing my new ez-mode combo and farming a bunch of 1m plat charms and 40+ tomes. So I found a solution, but it would be very nice if we could find a solution that doesn't just involve rerolling.
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Silosobi
Dalayan Pious Diety
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I have a 1.2m charm, and 90%+ of it was farmed using other peoples characters.
The same stuff that a meele/heal duo was farming at t4-5ish, I was finally able to duo wiz/pally at t13 using the #1 wizard and #1 paladin on the server.
Something is wrong with this situation, you should not have to be super endgame to do the quests or farm cash at a comparable rate to the other 70% of the server.
Yes, the game is about socialization, and getting help from friends is good and dandy, but when I am looking at a quest that is going to take 100+ hours to complete, and my friends all already completed it on their own, they tend to not be super eager to help me out. Especially for the parts where you are just farming tons of boring, relatively easy, bad exp summoning mobs. Its just not fun to be put in a situation where you are either lacking serious progression quests, or pestering your friends to help with something they completed.
why do these summon? =(
http://wiki.shardsofdalaya.com/index.php/A_bonded_earth_spirit
http://wiki.shardsofdalaya.com/index.php/A_bonded_earth_spirit
BlackHeart
Dalayan Adventurer
It happens all up and down the tiers. I retired my necro after 340+ AAs (Well he has been reduced to an alchemist only)
Started a paladin and druid/cleric and in half the total playing time the pally has 550+ AA an almost done with first codex. Plus he got a lot further in MQ and diety augs.
I loved my necro, but he just can't compete with the pally. Dont get me wrong, I love playing the pally too.. he is my first tank in about 10 years of playing this and live game. But, the necro was my first toon.
I too would like to see most mobs outside of raids no longer summon. Whenever i go to pull like 10 bloodfire at a time and im also tanking i can riposte one and push it to summon me. This makes it a lot harder for me to get back and start tanking all the mobs (sometimes i have to press buttons like mend to keep me alive :*( ). I just don't see why i have to go through so much trouble to get exp. Casters should be happy they don't have to deal with such problems.
Rorne
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Stay strong, brother
Wow keep the personal attacks out of this thread. I'm just here trying to push for most mobs outside of raiding zones to not summon anymore and this is how you treat me ?