Bst H2h/1hand agro

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War2U

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How game breaking would it be if Bsts received some form of active agro reduction, such as a Jolt line or possibly a pet buff that hit for less, but gave some form of negative agro to the bst ( not sure if this is even code able ). I'm looking for some high end feedback from bsts raiding tier 8+ using H2h weps, or similiar. I just find making us devote a buff slot to an already heavy list of things we would like to have, and even with CoTB, using 1handers you can still manage to pull agro pretty easily if you are doing a DoT rotation. I dunno, any constructive criticism is welcomed, thanks.
 
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I personally say that I have not had too much trouble with pulling aggro...but the buff slot comment made me start thinking how selective my buff slots can be... especially using recourse effects such as Harsh Winter. I think maybe a tome specific for the beastlord class should be an innate Cunning or better (-aggro/+spell dmg) type tome. Where when we cast our cunning we can freely click off that buff and our innate Cunning tome will already be kicked in, and I can feel comfortable using spells that give recourse effects like Harsh Winter more freely.

Seeing how we have cunning as our negative aggro situation (stealing a buff slot), other hyrbid / dps classes have better options. Monk (FD) Ranger (Jolt) and Rogues (Evade). I think this is good point to bring attention to, and maybe it could be looked into further.
 
I don't have a problem generating too much aggro, generally speaking. I use a Fist of Solid Ice and a Cane of Calefaction. I will occasionally pull aggro for a round. And if the tank can't generate aggro for some reason, I have to watch what I am doing. I don't always have Cunning on, but keeping the buff on does help to know when it fades on the casters, and if one is not keeping it on the casters, one is not doing his job.

So, I don't see this as a big problem.
 
Notpit said:
I don't have a problem generating too much aggro, generally speaking. I use a Fist of Solid Ice and a Cane of Calefaction. I will occasionally pull aggro for a round. And if the tank can't generate aggro for some reason, I have to watch what I am doing. I don't always have Cunning on, but keeping the buff on does help to know when it fades on the casters, and if one is not keeping it on the casters, one is not doing his job.

So, I don't see this as a big problem.
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I would ask you, what tank are you using? can we get a formelo link?
 
Something that doesn't use a buff slot would be great, those get tight, even in exp groups alone. I asked before about a jolt line of spells, and was given a no by most of the community.
I love the idea of a cunning-based tome. That would be excellent. I am no where near tomes, but would do that first when ready.
 
Our tanks are Mafate, Nilaat, and Azmat. They are very good.

I was under the assumption that a tier 8+ Beastlord (in my case Jilguror) would have a similarly tiered tank. I was also primarily speaking from a raid perspective. In a grouping context where I am slowing, there are greater aggro concerns at the beginning of the pull.
 
Notpit said:
Our tanks are Mafate, Nilaat, and Azmat. They are very good.

I was under the assumption that a tier 8+ Beastlord (in my case Jilguror) would have a similarly tiered tank. I was also primarily speaking from a raid perspective. In a grouping context where I am slowing, there are greater aggro concerns at the beginning of the pull.
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can I ask how much DPS you do, parsed? just curious. I guess I should have asked you all these things in 1 post, but alas, im a dummy ;)

Would also like to note, all of those tanks are tomed, and the dualwielders have tonfa's, I think you are living the good life ;)
 
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250 or so. The parsers don't recognize my DOT damage though. Here is a parse from November if you want to see how I do in comparison with the rest of the guild.
 
Well, one could argue, what would giving us some controllable agro reduction hurt then? I mean we aren't tanks, and being forced to devote a buff slot to something we hardly get use out of, other then the -agro, as well as making our harsh winter recourse also take a buff slot, makes it extremely difficult to actually use these things, so again.. what would it hurt? :/ Im not trying to get the staff to do something arbitrary, I just feel like we can't push ourselves in the area of DPS without a 2hander (atleast this is the situation I am in), where other classes can, and I would like to see that change. ;)

Your idea of okay, seems a bit askew Notpit, as not everything can be balanced around the highest end tanks, I dunno, help me out, tell me what it would hurt, and maybe ill be more inclined to see your point of view.
 
War2U said:
Well, one could argue, what would giving us some controllable agro reduction hurt then? I mean we aren't tanks, and being forced to devote a buff slot to something we hardly get use out of, other then the -agro, as well as making our harsh winter recourse also take a buff slot, makes it extremely difficult to actually use these things, so again.. what would it hurt? :/ Im not trying to get the staff to do something arbitrary, I just feel like we can't push ourselves in the area of DPS without a 2hander (atleast this is the situation I am in), where other classes can, and I would like to see that change. ;)

Your idea of okay, seems a bit askew Notpit, as not everything can be balanced around the highest end tanks, I dunno, help me out, tell me what it would hurt, and maybe ill be more inclined to see your point of view.
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The aggro gen in the game is fine.

If you have trouble not drawing aggro with a BST, i really don't know WTF is up but there's something wrong with your raid, not the class.

Or there's another solution, it's actually very effective

Auto attack off

BST are not a DPS class therefore they were not given hate reduction spells. It's pretty simple.
 
You really should stop talking about classes you know nothing about. BST are a dps class though.. maybe not the ones you know, or you have just never payed attention enough to them. And we do have a hate reduction spell (of sorts), it is tied in with a nuke-booster buff though. People are asking for an actual jolt spell, for when buff slots are tight (like most raids).
I have used the attack off (and usually heal myself) measure as a way of dropping down aggro list. Not an effective way of maintaining dps, though. Really.. the biggest problems with aggro happen in xp groups (or solo/duo) more than in a raid setting.

Something that would actually help, would be more -aggro gear that a bst can, and would, wear. Probably easier to add in than adding another line of spells to the class, if spells are as tight as so many claim. Then it would be a matter of choice on the bst's part to reduce his aggro by getting gear that helps with it.
 
Jotigidou said:
The aggro gen in the game is fine.

If you have trouble not drawing aggro with a BST, i really don't know WTF is up but there's something wrong with your raid, not the class.

Or there's another solution, it's actually very effective

Auto attack off

BST are not a DPS class therefore they were not given hate reduction spells. It's pretty simple.
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thats why, I always out dps'd you eh Jad?
 
darksabbath said:
You really should stop talking about classes you know nothing about. BST are a dps class though.. maybe not the ones you know, or you have just never payed attention enough to them. And we do have a hate reduction spell (of sorts), it is tied in with a nuke-booster buff though. People are asking for an actual jolt spell, for when buff slots are tight (like most raids).
I have used the attack off (and usually heal myself) measure as a way of dropping down aggro list. Not an effective way of maintaining dps, though. Really.. the biggest problems with aggro happen in xp groups (or solo/duo) more than in a raid setting.

Something that would actually help, would be more -aggro gear that a bst can, and would, wear. Probably easier to add in than adding another line of spells to the class, if spells are as tight as so many claim. Then it would be a matter of choice on the bst's part to reduce his aggro by getting gear that helps with it.
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Sorry I play one of the best BSTs on the server regularly and I have no trouble not dicking aggro off of tanks. Your suggestion is total bullshit.
 
Jotigidou said:
Sorry I play one of the best BSTs on the server regularly and I have no trouble not dicking aggro off of tanks. Your suggestion is total bullshit.
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again, not all tanks are Aomi, so as you said, everything should be balanced around the highest end chars?

and what would giving us agro reduction hurt? I'm not exatly sure why you are so fervent?
 
War2U said:
again, not all tanks are Aomi, so as you said, everything should be balanced around the highest end chars?

and what would giving us agro reduction hurt? I'm not exatly sure why you are so fervent?
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I don't play Tenishann with Chaotic Winds Sir. I play him in gimpy pugs.
 
War2U said:
again, not all tanks are Aomi, so as you said, everything should be balanced around the highest end chars?

and what would giving us agro reduction hurt? I'm not exatly sure why you are so fervent?
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I'm not fervent about anything. It's just that as a ranger, we had a similar request due to our 2hander hugging too much aggro ( I personally again, was not for it but the request was there ). The problem was that our jolts were not lowering hate enough. I Lawl'ed. How hard is it for any melee class to relax on attacks 2-3 seconds top ?

BSTs do 350-400 DPS TOP on raids with their pets. We do much more but we have Gimp jolt spells.

The thing is one of the only thing BSTs have to be good at in raids is actually not hugging aggro, which means relaxing on attacks if you have to. So if you cannot success at this endeavor, it's pretty darned sad.
 
Jotigidou said:
I don't play Tenishann with Chaotic Winds Sir. I play him in gimpy pugs.
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good to know, your amazing bstlord, is a druid...., anyway Jade, i get what you are saying, but I just don't understand, why Bsts, have to have the tightest buff slots, im saying, help us out, we have no room for ANYTHING, and thats without our own agro reduction :/

PS, I know your talking about Tenishan, and I highly doubt you are doing your full dps on "gimpy" pick ups, but, im willing to eat my words, have any parses?
 
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