Bard Twisting

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I searched "twist" and "melody" and didn't see it asked, but it probably has in some other title.

Are there plans to add /melody like on live server? The auto twist feature that most bards use, some don't...
 
First off, yes, there are plans to add a "symphony" feature to WR, according to Wiz. As to the ETA, whenever he or they get to it.

Secondly, I do so hope that this is an AA, or some level-adjusted thing. I wouldn't give a plug nickel for a bard who couldn't twist. Once he or she gets that down, sure, as they level or get AA's, make it less tedious. But you gotta know your class.
 
aaburog said:
First off, yes, there are plans to add a "symphony" feature to WR, according to Wiz. As to the ETA, whenever he or they get to it.

Secondly, I do so hope that this is an AA, or some level-adjusted thing. I wouldn't give a plug nickel for a bard who couldn't twist. Once he or she gets that down, sure, as they level or get AA's, make it less tedious. But you gotta know your class.
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I agree somewhat. I don't know about making it an AA though. Maybe implement it at 30 or 35 or so? I don't see it as an "advantage" so much as a convenience and making it so...oh I dunno...you can actually socialize in a group? Hehe

I think by that point the only bards who will still be playing are the ones who can play the class anyway. :)
 
Clerics are DC whores =/

if you play shaman well, your pretty busy all the time. i would never consider them DC whores since you have to always canni, and usully cast slow, cripple, malo, dot, root, healing, for most situations. bards need to always be singing something, whereas shaman is usually always canning and casting other stuff.

Try being a bard and see how much you like doing twisting ALL THE TIME. i think that every high level bard on the server will love the symphonies coming in. i used a high level bard for about 10 minutes and decided it's too annoying. i really look forward to syphonies so that i dont have to hear:

Girthy tells the group "so"
Girthy tells the group "i think"
Girthy tells the group "we should kill"
Girthy tells the group "one of these"
Girthy tells the group "5 mobs"
Girthy tells the group "im kiting"
Girthy tells the group "soon"
Girthy tells the group "my fingers hurt"
Girthy tells the group "and"
Girthy tells the group "yeah"
Girthy tells the group "=0/"
 
Anadin said:
I'm against the idea. It would make bards DC whores, just like shaman. :(
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...and clerics, and druids...

So what? It's not going to hurt anyone really. I actually am playing a bard on my main account and have a druid following me as my duo partner. This would help immensely in my opinion.

I wouldn't really put bards in the same DC category as the shaman, cleric, or druid.
 
Raherin said:
Clerics are DC whores =/

if you play shaman well, your pretty busy all the time. i would never consider them DC whores since you have to always canni, and usully cast slow, cripple, malo, dot, root, healing, for most situations. bards need to always be singing something, whereas shaman is usually always canning and casting other stuff.

Try being a bard and see how much you like doing twisting ALL THE TIME. i think that every high level bard on the server will love the symphonies coming in. i used a high level bard for about 10 minutes and decided it's too annoying. i really look forward to syphonies so that i dont have to hear:
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As opposed to high level clerics who only have to:

Keep every group member alive, time CHs on the MT, canni, root, Fatebind and buff.

oh man

Most classes are what you make of them. They can be bots or they can be very awesome.
 
ok good point, but clerics are usually the botted favorite for raids, along with chanters (since mez is rarely used),
 
I think it is a great idea, and pretty much every bard on live servers love it.

I agree it shouldn't be open to level 1 bards. I'm not knocking anyone else's ideas at all, I don't think it should be an AA. I think it should come somewhere between level 35-50, as a passive ability once someone has the fundamentals of the class done.
 
I always felt twisting was a solution to the issue of weak songs. Make stronger songs, get rid of twisting.
 
One of the coolest things about bards, IMO, is that they're one of the few classes on WR that are nearly impossible to DC without losing a ton of effect.

Most healers on WR are DC whores anyway, with the acception of druids, who can solo well enough to be considered 'mainable' by the tyranous majority.

Of course, it's finals week, and I'm usually retarded anyway... so I'm sorry if my posts are making you dumber.
 
rabe said:
I always felt twisting was a solution to the issue of weak songs. Make stronger songs, get rid of twisting.
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I sure hope that was sarcasm. :)

Heal - Haste - Resist

Mana - Resist - Debuff

Heal - Mana - Debuff... etc etc

All about flexibility.

Please please please give the bards /symphony at 35 or so? :)
 
Anadin said:
One of the coolest things about bards, IMO, is that they're one of the few classes on WR that are nearly impossible to DC without losing a ton of effect.
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Tedious pressing of keys...so...not...cool. When I was playing a bard on EQL I so looked forward to downtime. It's sad really. Bards like to talk to the group too. ;)
 
Girthy tells the group "so"
Girthy tells the group "i think"
Girthy tells the group "we should kill"
Girthy tells the group "one of these"
Girthy tells the group "5 mobs"
Girthy tells the group "im kiting"
Girthy tells the group "soon"
Girthy tells the group "my fingers hurt"
Girthy tells the group "and"
Girthy tells the group "yeah"
Girthy tells the group "=0/"
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hehe, they do talk, just in very short spurts =p

when i first started here i thought of becoming a bard, but once i heard about what they need to do i changed my mind because i'm a musician....hello arthritis (sp?). =/
 
No, that wasn't sarcasm. You're looking at it rather short-sightedly. If the songs were stronger and multi purpose, you wouldn't need to twist.

If your song could give haste/hp/resists in one swift move, would you still feel gimped that you couldn't twist? And you had another that gives DS/resist/mana ... etc. I realize that this would be a pain in the ass for minimal gain, but if the game were redone from the ground up, would you still be against that?

Here's an example that's current: Lcea's gives hp and mana. Are you angry you don't have to twist hp and mana song now? ...
 
rabe said:
You're looking at it rather short-sightedly.
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No I'm looking at it from all levels...not post 60.

rabe said:
I realize that this would be a pain in the ass for minimal gain, but if the game were redone from the ground up, would you still be against that?

Here's an example that's current: Lcea's gives hp and mana. Are you angry you don't have to twist hp and mana song now? ...
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If it's a pain in the ass for minimal gain, then why not just go with /symphony to be less of a pain in the ass and maximum gain? Also, it's not realistic for Wiz to redisgn from the ground up for bard songs.

Redoing the entire song list would be a horrible process.

Would I like songs that had combos of 3 effects? Well what bard would say no? Only problem with that is there are so many different combinations. Songs are not the problem - twisting is.
 
I would rather /symphony than more multi effect songs, unless every song were to have a haste component. Twisting haste/mana/resists is common, twisting mez/haste is common, twisting kiting songs etc. There would need to be lots of pointless components in various songs to keep up with being able to maintain certain "roles" the bard has. I'm not saying your idea is poor, I'm just saying that I think /symphony would be better suited. The hard part about it could be implimentation, if not, then the hard part would be to decide when/how (Level/AA).
 
I think the problem with songs having more combined effects is that, not every bard plays the same, and you might need a very different multitude of effects. With syphonies I believe you can customize the songs you want them to have. That way, you are making one strong song, like Rabb commented, but this way, you can choose what you want your song to be capable of.

For example, if Wiz redid all the songs, he might combine

Haste/Water breathing/Sow/mana regen

But, what if you wanted

Haste/mana regen/health regen/sow/lev

At least with syphonies you can combine the songs of your choice. =p
 
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