Bard songs

[Costorin]

Since the bard has changed and there are some songs that don't work anymore is it possible to get some changed?

the charismatic melody doesn't work, although i am not sure if they plan on bringing the merchant affecting spells back, we could change it to a group char buff song.


lyssa's cataloging libretto I don't think this song ever served a purpose. It tells you the name of the item in your hand. Even though it is in the description. This song would be more useful if it told you what the itmes proc does or what % of haste an item is, or somthing useful. Or we could lose the song for a low level malaise song.


Melanie's mellifluous motion was never any good. a 40 foot teleport that takes so long any mob will be on otp of you before you figure out which way you have to run never really appealed to me. Especially for a level 21 song. Maybe make this one an indor salo's 10% speed increase or so.


Guardian rhymes isn't used very often becuase it is not stackable with the damage shield psalms. So the only benifit is for a small amount of magic resistance. If it were stackable or added something else like a hp buff or something it would be more useful and even used.

Denon`s Desperate Dirge 800 mana to do 300 hp. sure it could be to 4 things but at that level it is more of a piss off then actuall damage to things. And 800 mana is a lot to a bard. maybe 2 or 3 casts and that is it. Not sure what we could turn this one into, maybe a evac song or something.

This is all i have atm, i may find others.

 

[rab]

Cinda`s Charismatic Carillon
--No alliance type spells are working at the moment.
Lyssa`s Cataloging Libretto
--Identify is used on treasure maps and various other purposes.
Melanie`s Mellifluous Motion
--Shadow step is useless imo, but other classes have it too. I'm sure it serves some kind of purpose.
Guardian Rhythms
--It's fine.
Denon`s Desperate Dirge
--There's not much other use for mana for bards, and the effect is modifiable by instruments.

 

[SprintFun]

Cinda`s Charismatic Carillon
--No alliance type spells are working at the moment.
Lyssa`s Cataloging Libretto
--Identify is used on treasure maps and various other purposes.
Melanie`s Mellifluous Motion
--Shadow step is useless imo, but other classes have it too. I'm sure it serves some kind of purpose.
Guardian Rhythms
--It's fine.
Denon`s Desperate Dirge
--There's not much other use for mana for bards, and the effect is modifiable by instruments.

omg rab, you secretly want to be a bard, don't you? Shadowstep is kind of useless, and is extreme situational, but so are 75% of bard songs... Denon's is definately the king of situational though, rather pointless imo...maybe used it a handful of times, and maybe once actually used it as it's intended...

 

[kaotikk]

Denon`s Desperate Dirge
--There's not much other use for mana for bards, and the effect is modifiable by instruments.

This song actually kinda sucks... considering you get a single target 110ish dmg 50 mana nuke at lvl 39.... or low mana costing charm spells... , both are more efficient than denons, and also don't damage yourself =P.

 

[Nuralia]

I do 1231 dmg to 3 targets with that song. I only do like 600 for 150 to one.

It's situational, duh, but it's good. Also, who hits themselves with AEs these days?


None of these songs need changing. Defunct thread.

 

[Gea]

Shadowstep is kind of useless, and is extreme situational, but so are 75% of bard songs... Denon's is definately the king of situational though, rather pointless imo...maybe used it a handful of times, and maybe once actually used it as it's intended...

This really makes me sad panda. You poor bards only have like 25% useful songs. You also only have 11 level 65 songs, so you only have 3-4 useful 65 songs. That is ridicoulous (nice spelling eh?)

OK sorry for being an ass, but i always thaught reacting on various situations was Bard's strength. And i really wish i had like 10 useful spells

 

[Ginam]

The mana cost on Denon's Desperate Dirge was lowered a little while ago, its only 600 now!

Ginam

 

[Costorin]

The mana cost on Denon's Desperate Dirge was lowered a little while ago, its only 600 now!

Ginam

is the damage output the same?

The whole idea is that the amount of mana and the damage of the song seems to be more disabling to the bard then anything else. With more songs using mana then the class was designed for this hinders what they can do after the song is sung. Please keep in mind though I don't have this song yet so i may not be aware of other factors. This is more of a thought post then a Hey change this post.

One more thing denon's dissension. Level 35 bard song reduces mana. Does mana reduction songs and or spells work in sod and are they worth it. Does draining something of 10 mana points worth while or is it another have for looks song?

 

[Allielyn]

With more songs using mana then the class was designed for this hinders what they can do after the song is sung. Please keep in mind though I don't have this song yet so i may not be aware of other factors. This is more of a thought post then a Hey change this post.

Um, what are you talking about? "More songs using mana than the class was designed for"? I only ever find that I desire MORE mana when I've got death effects on. I suggest playing for a little while before you bring up "issues" like this.

One more thing denon's dissension. Level 35 bard song reduces mana. Does mana reduction songs and or spells work in sod and are they worth it. Does draining something of 10 mana points worth while or is it another have for looks song?

Yes mana reduction songs and spells work in SoD; and often they're incredibly useful. Until you get to the point where casters Don't land spells on you, I wouldn't complain about mana reduction songs.

 

[Costorin]

Um, what are you talking about? "More songs using mana than the class was designed for"? I only ever find that I desire MORE mana when I've got death effects on. I suggest playing for a little while before you bring up "issues" like this.

umm this one I really don't know what I was talking about. I was thinking about something else at the time.

Yes mana reduction songs and spells work in SoD; and often they're incredibly useful. Until you get to the point where casters Don't land spells on you, I wouldn't complain about mana reduction songs.

I wasn't complaining I was inquiring on the effectiveness of the song. The song was nearly useless in live and was wondering how it was here.

 

[Allielyn]

I wasn't complaining I was inquiring on the effectiveness of the song. The song was nearly useless in live and was wondering how it was here.

Well, IDK so much about live, but iirc mana drain spells/songs on live were pretty useless; owing to the "fact" that mobs had unlimited mana or some such, so draining mana wasn't likely to do much good unless it was giving the mana to you.

On SoD, Mobs DO have a fixed amount of mana. Meaning that if you drain a caster, he won't be able to cast anymore. Useful? Absolubtely. On raid mobs that cast nasty spells (or heal themselves) Mana draining can be an important strategy. I have often when soloing casters mezzed them and mana drained them for two minutes straight, then kited them around. They very quickly become weak melee mobs after a bit of draining. (P.S. this takes some time to drain enough mana to be fully effective).

Now, some mana drain songs are more effective than others. Clearly, Denon's Dissension is pretty weak; but this is because it's an AoE spell, so you wouldn't expect it to approach the effectiveness of single target drains. Cassindra's Insipid Ditty also reduces mana by a small amount, but the INT/WIS debuff further reduces it. I almost always use Ervaj's Lost Composition, which is a straight 220 mana debuff. AFAIK, this is modified by an instrument.

P.S. all of the information listed here comes directly from the VERY dated Sod.camrongel.de database. I take no responsibility for errors quoted directly.