Bard + Playing songs at raids = insta rampage

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SprintFun

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In DHK on the elites whenever they come in, I can attack right away or wait unti its at 80 and I'll still get rampage almost instantly. So basically theres two things I want to know. First off, does bard AE songs generate hate on a rampage list, althoguh I believe it was changed a bit back that on incomings mobs wont agro a bard playing songs. Secondly, how does rampage work...people clike to claim its not hate list generated and is based upon engage, but in my expiriences that is not the case and it goes by a hate lsit of sorts. So yea, is it possible so bard AE songs dont add hate to a hate list if thats how it works on here, and if it isnt then please explain why i would get agro over a RT.
 
AE beneficial songs generate NO hate whatsoever. So, in the instance you're citing, you are getting Rampage aggro from something else all together.

Detrimental songs do generate aggro, (and debuffs contain a large hate component, if I recall correctly) so depending on what you're landing on the mob before you run up to engage, that may be your problem. Without knowing what exactly you're singing I can't tell. :/

I don't know how rampage works. I only know that beneficial AEs don't generate hate. At all.
 
I'm play 4 and Blademaster - plaing NO detrimental songs...can chain jolt and still get rampage agro. The proc on troubadeurs revenge is big agro, but it doesnt proc all that much and wouldnt warrant getting rampage every time I engage no matter the percent.
 
Just stood next to a Wyvern elite...didnt attack and got rampage...would like to know how rampage works officially...
 
Rampage hits and sticks to the FIRST 3 people on the aggro list AND in melee range, not the top 3 highest on the list unless it's the top aggro spot. When someone on the list dies or moves out of range it moves down to the next person.
 
Duma said:
Rampage hits and sticks to the FIRST 3 people on the aggro list AND in melee range, not the top 3 highest on the list unless it's the top aggro spot. When someone on the list dies or moves out of range it moves down to the next person.
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Pretty sure this is how it works.
 
Duma said:
Rampage hits and sticks to the FIRST 3 people on the aggro list AND in melee range, not the top 3 highest on the list unless it's the top aggro spot. When someone on the list dies or moves out of range it moves down to the next person.
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That's been my experience. Are you standing close to the MT on inc so (s)he gets your songs, i.e. within aggro range? Try hanging back until the MT and RTs have enganged, then run up close to sing. It's not that you're generating hate, it's that the mobs are just seeing you first.
 
Still would like a word from Liam or Wiz on this, because the first 3 on the hate list thing doesn't explain how I would get rampage when I go in at 80%...
 
SprintFun said:
Still would like a word from Liam or Wiz on this, because the first 3 on the hate list thing doesn't explain how I would get rampage when I go in at 80%...
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Well, what songs are you typically playing? We need more info before we can just assume something's wrong.

As for rampage, it has always been my understanding that it functions off of a hate list. The top three on the hate list, within range of the mob, will be on the rampage list. As people die off or move away, they get replaced. Perhaps the only people meleeing are a bunch of flopping monks and evading rogues when you jump in? :eek:
 
Stay out of LOS on pulls, and move in after other melees have attacked. No rampage.

Evade doesnt get ya out of ramp BTW, or at least I dont beleive so. Escape would I think.
 
The songs I typically play would be Psalm of the Four or Chorus of Althuna. It could just be that the proc on my weapon (Antashi's Reduction) is ultra huge mega agro? But this never is much of an issue in groups. As a test last night I was chain spamming Song of Dawn (jolt) and it still wouldn't get me off of rampage. I'd back off of the mob and jump back in 20% later and instantly back on rampage. During a fight on rampaging mobs I'll rarely dot, but usually will hit them with Brusco's Bellow every time it pops up (like 15 seconds maybe?). Thanks for the reply Liam.
 
Welll, since he's playing only beneficial songs, which generate no hate whatsoever, and he's not playing detrimental songs, I would assume that it's an issue of the other rampage characters being out of range.

When the mob goes on a rampage, often characters will joust: go in range to attack when the mob is not rampaging, then pop out of range when the mob does rampage. If the top 2 (other than the MT) joust out, or die, or aren't near the mob (wizard?) then you've got a chance of being on the list. If the rest of the raid melees are jousting, then you're the only one left: and you're guaranteed to get rampage. You might try using something other than the Troubador's Revenge, and seeing if that makes a difference.

P.S. Brusco's Bellow isn't just a song nuke - it's a hate generator, meant for bards who want to keep aggro while tanking :psyduck:

That's my best guess. If I were you, I'd just stand with the wizards, equip your best drum, and DoT the mob - it'll save you a lot of trouble. (In addition, you'll do better dps!)
 
Rampage has nothing to do with the amount of agro you have. It just matters when you get agro on the mob. If the main tank is in the first two to get agro on the mob, it will switch to the second and third people to get agro. If you're standing near the front of the raid, its probably just proxy agro. Again, the amount of agro you have has no difference. The easiest way to avoid this is to have the rampage tanks fire an arrow or 2 at the mob before it reaches the rest of the raid.

Ginam
 
Uhh..

I've been playing a bard in blackburrow using Anthem de Arms and Hymn of Restoration and I get tons of aggro .. most pulled mobs are like "HEY A BARD!" and go right for me
 
I wasnt going to rehash this, but at the most recent raid in ndhk still had the same rammpage problems. Here's the situation...

Rampaging mob comes in, all the melees will engage I'll have Jadn sitting back. While he's sitting back, I use Noth to run up and engage. Jadn is not casting any spells on the mob, just playing Chorus of Althuna and Fiery Warcry of Tarhyl. Everything is going good, rampage is established on the RTs, so I decide to run Jadn in and begin combat around 80%, and instantly on Rampage. Some people think it is proximity agro, so I'll have Noth standing directly under the mob and have Jadn at max melee and as soon as I get close enough to attack I'm on rampage. This doesn't happen every time, it seems to be about 50/50, but the chances of me getting rampage at some point in a fight on a rampaging mob in DHK is atleast 75%. Am I just so leet that I can pull more agro than Sald/Finster/Durosa (the MA/RTs at that time)? I pretty much doubt it...

We were discussing this in TeamSpeak, and theres several people who can vouch for this. I think the AE songs are getting me placed on the hate list in NDHK which to m knowledge shouldn't happen...next time we romp around in there I plan on recording a fight in FRAPS and putting it on youtube to illustrate my point.
 
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