vistachiri
Dalayan Master
Allielyn said:
ya screwed up his name, fixed
Ancient drop rates and low-end respawn times
- Thread starter stope21
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ya screwed up his name, fixed
First off, I'm unsure everyone is aware of possible changes that have been made since you last farmed for ancients.
when fusion first started off, I farmed WW dragons, and a full rotation of blue cons for ancient spells to help them equip some of their earlier members (teknel and aryst in WW at late night FTW)
I think things have changed, as I am not seeing ancients drop off these mobs anymore, with exception to the Dragons in WW, and the giants (white cons ) surrounding sk in various zones.
I think what stope is trying to say is that ancient spell scrolls are dropping more from mobs that are aimed at the farming community, rather than the mobs that up and coming raid guilds would be targeting. And most of these ancient spells are a raiding guild necessity (druid quick heal, for example)
Me and alectro spoke on this alot. Alot of the earlier mobs that dropped ancients are now dropping 62-63 spells, which they never dropped before. Which is very concerning.
I am not aware of whether or not a mob that dropped a 64 spell can drop an ancient, they may be able to. But before, if it dropped ancients, it was a pretty good sign it wasn't going to be dropping anything else.
DFS is also dropping loot so out of date with the current raid tiers, that no one really raids dfs for anything anymore,e except the few higher guilds wanting the CSI ring with 90 mana.
I think there is call tos ee ancient spells drop more in line with some of the ecoutners for groups of that level.
An example would be Funeral Master in CMal3.
Goon Squad has been killling cmal3 on a pretty regular absis. Being able to 1 group funeral master merits ancients, in my opinion.
These are the mobs that should be dropping rare 61 spells, not level 68 tier 2 raid mobs (yinazra). Maybe these spells need to be tweaked, and turned 65 spells, to be a tier of difficulty below relics. Either way, they are extremely are these days, and it's sad that most people don't even have their ancients by the time they are getting their relics.
In Summary:
I think The higher end Cmal3 encounters, Funeral Guardian, Funeral Master, should have ancient drop chance added, I do not see any negative repercussions to this.
I also feel that 63+ mobs with 3 or 4 day timers should be considered for Ancient droprates. I understand why dragons in DN do not qualify, however I feel Assasin Lord Zyk, Lasanth the ALchemist, Tarlyx of the Lake, Mazik Windspeaker (spelling? Boss of the kargyx in south badlands) Should also have these, if they do not still. As they all seem to no longer drop ancients. And are uncommonly killed.
(I don't want an exodus comment here, most of you bought your ancients and relics anyways)
when fusion first started off, I farmed WW dragons, and a full rotation of blue cons for ancient spells to help them equip some of their earlier members (teknel and aryst in WW at late night FTW)
I think things have changed, as I am not seeing ancients drop off these mobs anymore, with exception to the Dragons in WW, and the giants (white cons ) surrounding sk in various zones.
I think what stope is trying to say is that ancient spell scrolls are dropping more from mobs that are aimed at the farming community, rather than the mobs that up and coming raid guilds would be targeting. And most of these ancient spells are a raiding guild necessity (druid quick heal, for example)
Me and alectro spoke on this alot. Alot of the earlier mobs that dropped ancients are now dropping 62-63 spells, which they never dropped before. Which is very concerning.
I am not aware of whether or not a mob that dropped a 64 spell can drop an ancient, they may be able to. But before, if it dropped ancients, it was a pretty good sign it wasn't going to be dropping anything else.
DFS is also dropping loot so out of date with the current raid tiers, that no one really raids dfs for anything anymore,e except the few higher guilds wanting the CSI ring with 90 mana.
I think there is call tos ee ancient spells drop more in line with some of the ecoutners for groups of that level.
An example would be Funeral Master in CMal3.
Goon Squad has been killling cmal3 on a pretty regular absis. Being able to 1 group funeral master merits ancients, in my opinion.
These are the mobs that should be dropping rare 61 spells, not level 68 tier 2 raid mobs (yinazra). Maybe these spells need to be tweaked, and turned 65 spells, to be a tier of difficulty below relics. Either way, they are extremely are these days, and it's sad that most people don't even have their ancients by the time they are getting their relics.
In Summary:
I think The higher end Cmal3 encounters, Funeral Guardian, Funeral Master, should have ancient drop chance added, I do not see any negative repercussions to this.
I also feel that 63+ mobs with 3 or 4 day timers should be considered for Ancient droprates. I understand why dragons in DN do not qualify, however I feel Assasin Lord Zyk, Lasanth the ALchemist, Tarlyx of the Lake, Mazik Windspeaker (spelling? Boss of the kargyx in south badlands) Should also have these, if they do not still. As they all seem to no longer drop ancients. And are uncommonly killed.
(I don't want an exodus comment here, most of you bought your ancients and relics anyways)
Manluas
Dalayan Elder
Riesen said:
Can you just drop that random shit and once in a while behave as a semi-grown up that knows at least basics about social inceraction? Thanks in advance.
Disregarding the above statement:
I have been helping random peoples getting ancients or at least trying to in the last couple of weeks and besides being unlucky with the drop chance I can't complain about not enough mobs up. Random examples:
We went after 2 DFS named (Stasis and the one in the floor below, forgot name), mielech crypt (who was down - first time I saw him down when I was headed there).
That very same day we also killed Craah the midnight and Claws in EDHK - I was surprised that the other one was down. 4 out of 5 times I do EDHK (not that often anymore) I find them up - they do not only drop ancients but also quite worthwhile loot.
Can't judge about all WW dragons but Lazuli dropped an ancient like 8 weeks ago or so.
Besides that I've seen Greyclaw drop ancients, same with Parcelain and at least heard about the other mobs that Aisling named out. This almost looks like a "look harder" case because a lot of those mobs DO have No Drop loot and just go unkilled for a while.
Syalara
Dalayan Beginner
Riesen said:
This is usually by player choice to grind to 65 and then rely on others to do the legwork (ala...raid) and of no fault of the drop rates or amount of mobs that carry ancients on their loot table. As has been stated over and over, theres no shortage of ancient droppers left untouched.
I will say however, that I did get my first ancient spell from a Faded Dragon Shade in DN ages ago..I have also chain killed all of the Shades/Darkbones for easily 40-50 hours to get a leather tunic for an alt not too long ago and I did not see one drop in that time. Can anyone confirm that they still drop from the Shades/Darkbones and its just a really low %?
I would rather see the chance for them to drop ancients be upped (if anything) then added to a Cmal 3 encounter. That would seem a helluva lot more in line with the intended lvl range.
Riesen said:
You don't read luas.
There is an obvious difference right now with ancient droprates, i have farmed WW, EDHK, and many of the other unmentionables a ton of times, and I am aware of their frequency. They are becoming far more uncommon, and it's a problem.
I killed Faded Shade 7 times, no scroll. Lasanth 3 times, no scroll. Assasin lord 3 times, no scroll. Dark Boned (never knew if he had ancients) twice, no scroll.
I am aware giants and dragons still drop ancients, but what i don't see is how there's any problem with adding these scroll chances to a wider range of mobs, specifically ones you don't have to defile a faction for.
This is a problem.
and PST... luas.. you've got mail.
Syalara
Dalayan Beginner
Ancient spells are lvl 60, the shades/darkbones are a nice challenge for a group of 60's....cmal 3 is outta that league. Not to mention they already drop them (or used to). I base my doubt off of my own time spent there, not the above posters whooping 7 kills.
Sure other mobs who drop ancients are outta that league as well...but since the OP started this thread as the caped crusader for the lower tiered folks it would seem to make more sense.
edit: looking at the number of kills you put in...thats not enough to make a judgment. Ancients are meant to be worked for not handed out like candy.
Sure other mobs who drop ancients are outta that league as well...but since the OP started this thread as the caped crusader for the lower tiered folks it would seem to make more sense.
edit: looking at the number of kills you put in...thats not enough to make a judgment. Ancients are meant to be worked for not handed out like candy.
Monance
Dalayan Adventurer
If Dragons in DN (apart from Parcelan) really indeed drop Ancients, I must have been very unlucky, cause in over 100 rounds (x 6 dragons) i've done in DN over the past 2 months, I havent seen 1 single ancient drop.
Apart from that. Well, ancient mobs dont seem to be so rare to find, but the drop rate does seem a bit low. Im only judging from my personal experience on this, being very unlucky getting my 2nd ancient on my druid. Think we have been farming ancient droppers for about 1 month, and havent seen 1 single drop, then out of coincidence 2 in a row dropped in 1 night in EDHK... Its just the RNG some might say. But imo there is no reason to NOT increase the drop rate by a small percentage.
i think one of the main points the thread starter has pointed out, is that there is usually no real incentive for a guild to kill the ancient droppers for loot, as there is better loot you can get from a "higher raid tier", and the time just goes to waste. I usually just see the ancient droppers being killed solely for ancients (usually 1 grouped), and the rest of the loot just rotting. This doesnt include the mobs that have made their loots become NO DROP in of the last patches btw.
I support the idea of adding ancient drop to difficult tmaps, and removing them from the loot list on VD tmaps sounds even better. Other than that, yep there might be alot of ancient dropping mobs, but theyre on a 3 day+ timer and have a very low chance of dropping. Im sure many people posting in this thread didnt actually need to kill a mob to get it, because back in the days they were dropable, so i really understand how these people dont see "a problem". No offense btw
Apart from that. Well, ancient mobs dont seem to be so rare to find, but the drop rate does seem a bit low. Im only judging from my personal experience on this, being very unlucky getting my 2nd ancient on my druid. Think we have been farming ancient droppers for about 1 month, and havent seen 1 single drop, then out of coincidence 2 in a row dropped in 1 night in EDHK... Its just the RNG some might say. But imo there is no reason to NOT increase the drop rate by a small percentage.
i think one of the main points the thread starter has pointed out, is that there is usually no real incentive for a guild to kill the ancient droppers for loot, as there is better loot you can get from a "higher raid tier", and the time just goes to waste. I usually just see the ancient droppers being killed solely for ancients (usually 1 grouped), and the rest of the loot just rotting. This doesnt include the mobs that have made their loots become NO DROP in of the last patches btw.
I support the idea of adding ancient drop to difficult tmaps, and removing them from the loot list on VD tmaps sounds even better. Other than that, yep there might be alot of ancient dropping mobs, but theyre on a 3 day+ timer and have a very low chance of dropping. Im sure many people posting in this thread didnt actually need to kill a mob to get it, because back in the days they were dropable, so i really understand how these people dont see "a problem". No offense btw
diff tmaps, Cmal 3 boss encounters, a few of the less killed 64-65 mbos floating around (see faction aug thread)
The most viable options are either faction mobs, or mobs that are chain killed for loots. none of the mobs that tier 1 and 2 guilds kill are actually a good droprate.
The most viable options are either faction mobs, or mobs that are chain killed for loots. none of the mobs that tier 1 and 2 guilds kill are actually a good droprate.
Syalara
Dalayan Beginner
There is every incentive to get your guild equipped with Ancients. They are used by most, if not all classes through the entire spectrum of raiding. Just cause theres stuff a guild would rather kill dont mean a damn thing.
Aside from that, we had the same luck in DN apparently lately....thats something worth looking into imo but outside of that, I am not seeing any compelling reason to add ancients to more mobs.
Aside from that, we had the same luck in DN apparently lately....thats something worth looking into imo but outside of that, I am not seeing any compelling reason to add ancients to more mobs.
Monance
Dalayan Adventurer
imo.. Dragon shades and this lower level crap in DN shouldnt even be dropping ancients. Id rather see the drop rate on existing mobs increased.
Also judging from the low drop rate on ancients, i indeed see NO incentive for guilds to "raid" these targets. My point stands, because no matter if you bring 6 or 18 people to the ancient droppers, the loot will still be rotting, and the drop chance will still be too low to make it a viable target.
I think its safe to say that if u made a roll call for all guilds that "raid" ancient targets, there would be zero answers
The target audience for these kind of mobs nowadays contains a single group or even less. The changes made to some mobs that recently dropped loots that could be sold does help with the availability of mobs, but it also doesnt increase the drop chance.
On a side note there seems to be a slight discrepancy on the choice of faction, because there seem to be a bigger amount of ancient droppers when youre siding with dragons, on top of that the majority of people raiding on this server are alligned with giants, which surely also has a significant influence on the overall availability of ancient droppers for this faction.
Also judging from the low drop rate on ancients, i indeed see NO incentive for guilds to "raid" these targets. My point stands, because no matter if you bring 6 or 18 people to the ancient droppers, the loot will still be rotting, and the drop chance will still be too low to make it a viable target.
I think its safe to say that if u made a roll call for all guilds that "raid" ancient targets, there would be zero answers
The target audience for these kind of mobs nowadays contains a single group or even less. The changes made to some mobs that recently dropped loots that could be sold does help with the availability of mobs, but it also doesnt increase the drop chance.
On a side note there seems to be a slight discrepancy on the choice of faction, because there seem to be a bigger amount of ancient droppers when youre siding with dragons, on top of that the majority of people raiding on this server are alligned with giants, which surely also has a significant influence on the overall availability of ancient droppers for this faction.
Assassin Lord Zyk; No sign of ancients as of late (killed him alot).
Dark Boned dragon; Never seen an ancient, but possibly.
Faded Dragon Shade; Killed 6 times in past week, and hadn't killed prior in over a year, but past 6 times, no ancients. Others report similar luck.
DFS: Ok, i'm fairly positive only the stasis preserver, and Nyjah, or the Suit of armor's name (whatever it is) drop ancients here, along with yinny. No known droprate, as every one of their loots is so bad the only reason people kill them is possibly for the bard horn (high chanter) or to clear their way to yinny without a locket.
Keo'Kodal; haven't seen up in weeks, being chain farmed at the moment for his dropables.
Kaztra the Shardslayer; This lil pos has been mia for weeks to me. good luck getting an ancient off him;
The Lady of the Deep; Ok, there's an ancient dropper that nearly the entire server forgot about entirely.
Tarlyx of the Lake; 3 kills, no ancients, killen again soon, will report.
That leaves you with the white con giants, and dragons pretty much.
Which, ok, they may be a viable alternative to get ancients, i can agree with that, but they are specific for factions, which is lamo imo.
Dark Boned dragon; Never seen an ancient, but possibly.
Faded Dragon Shade; Killed 6 times in past week, and hadn't killed prior in over a year, but past 6 times, no ancients. Others report similar luck.
DFS: Ok, i'm fairly positive only the stasis preserver, and Nyjah, or the Suit of armor's name (whatever it is) drop ancients here, along with yinny. No known droprate, as every one of their loots is so bad the only reason people kill them is possibly for the bard horn (high chanter) or to clear their way to yinny without a locket.
Keo'Kodal; haven't seen up in weeks, being chain farmed at the moment for his dropables.
Kaztra the Shardslayer; This lil pos has been mia for weeks to me. good luck getting an ancient off him;
The Lady of the Deep; Ok, there's an ancient dropper that nearly the entire server forgot about entirely.
Tarlyx of the Lake; 3 kills, no ancients, killen again soon, will report.
That leaves you with the white con giants, and dragons pretty much.
Which, ok, they may be a viable alternative to get ancients, i can agree with that, but they are specific for factions, which is lamo imo.
Monance
Dalayan Adventurer
Nyak the Risen in DFS... actually had the best drop rate on ancient ive seen so far.
never seen an Ancient on KeoKodal ever, been permakilling him for 1 month like half a year ago.
have yet to see an ancient drop off of tarlyx, killed him at least 7 times
droprate in EDHK seems to be about 5% maximum for me.
the red dragon "Zekjiv the Burning" (sp?) at the crossing in DHK has a small drop chance as well, but the only other drop ive seen on him was a quest piece for a quest no longer in game - no wonder hes not being killed
never seen an ancient on the spider or on Lasanth in Lasanth
lady of the deep, i can understand why people dont do her. Shes extremly powerful with her charm, and a pain to get to, especially for a full raid force,.. and the loot is not in line with the difficulty of the mob.
have yet to see 1 drop off of Greyclaw, or the Orc Lord in EW, or Plaguefang for that matter
anyway, im just ramblin'. Ive really been killing ancient droppers for some time now, first for myself and then helping a couple of people getting theirs. The main thing u need is patience, eventually youll get them.
If ancients are supposed to drop for raids to equip guildies with their spell, they need to be moved a tier up, to mobs that are actually being raided. As it stands now its a 1 group thingie
never seen an Ancient on KeoKodal ever, been permakilling him for 1 month like half a year ago.
have yet to see an ancient drop off of tarlyx, killed him at least 7 times
droprate in EDHK seems to be about 5% maximum for me.
the red dragon "Zekjiv the Burning" (sp?) at the crossing in DHK has a small drop chance as well, but the only other drop ive seen on him was a quest piece for a quest no longer in game - no wonder hes not being killed
never seen an ancient on the spider or on Lasanth in Lasanth
lady of the deep, i can understand why people dont do her. Shes extremly powerful with her charm, and a pain to get to, especially for a full raid force,.. and the loot is not in line with the difficulty of the mob.
have yet to see 1 drop off of Greyclaw, or the Orc Lord in EW, or Plaguefang for that matter
anyway, im just ramblin'. Ive really been killing ancient droppers for some time now, first for myself and then helping a couple of people getting theirs. The main thing u need is patience, eventually youll get them.
If ancients are supposed to drop for raids to equip guildies with their spell, they need to be moved a tier up, to mobs that are actually being raided. As it stands now its a 1 group thingie
