Adept Snowskin problem

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Laksha

Dalayan Beginner
Snow Skin max lvl engage 42 needs some serious look over. This mob hits for the 200s and really fast with a 200 damage cone. Enough damage to make our clerics and shammy padding run out of mana when only 40ish% health was done. we had people from lvl 39 to 42, malise nor malisement will land including after the mob was tashed. Slows, our only hope from this insane DPS, will not land as well. I wanted to post this but my crew were telling me to hold back and try a few more attempts, and also study similar adepts. We tryed 3 times misserably then we went and tryed Icefeather(a higher lvl adept close by) with 2 less people lsl 39-42. Shockingly Icefeather did not had our clerics sweathing their mana and mage was able to land debuff and hits for alot less damage also. Even thou we took icefeather down to about 48% there is some things to consider about those engages:
1) most casters doing snowskin are using lvl 34 spells, specially clerics, they dont get the really good buffs and heals till lvl 44(perfect for Icefeather) the only new heal spell they get is complete heal, and using CH in those encounters is out of the question. Shamans and druids at this point have useless heals for this fight *tested*
2) Snow skin hits really fast and hard, just as hard as in castle mobs in eldenas hit my lvl 65 tank(about the 200s).

The cone really didnt bother us, but his melee dps and HP is really hard to chipp off unless a big raid for this is done with tons of padders and DPS. Slowing was really a faliure, if this was doable maybe the encounter will not be so irritating.
 
8, people is not the issue here, we been taking down all the adepts with that many or less, the issue here is that his melee is way too hard for a mob this lvl, even compared to Higher lvl adept, Snowskin, which in comparison of us being lvl 42 taking down an adept that is pure melee max engage 43 did better with a pure melee adept that is max engage 44.  at 44 there is a new way of spells at 43 you are mostly using lvl 34/39 spells.  Also another problem was the resist, Mala/molo spells and slows will not land, how many people do I need for mala/malo or slow line spells to land? see that is the problem I'm sure if slow was able to land then the melee DPS would have been couchion some, but we did had high DPS even thou it was 8 people good tank and good healers. Also this mob hits harder than the other adept plus has a cone to top that to his DPS.
 
If it's too hard for your group of 8, then you need either more people or better gear. A charisma upgrade would help with slow/malo and higher hp on the tank would alleviate a little of you healers mana problems.
 
see this is what I hate people who do not know anything  and they go running their mouth.   The reason why he is too hard is because of the DPS, not because of the gear nor because of the people.  Frankly I presume you have not seen the gear this people had else you would not have brought that up.  If the main tank dies and healers runs out of mana in chain padding right away I dont care how many people you have you are just going to wipe.  This mob is not like the previous mob Maggot infested corpse in which raids of 3 groups+ wipped, we did maggot with a single group like 4 times, this fight required strategy. Tarks the storm feather before he got nerfed we did it with a single group, then alot of people complained because in their 4 group raid wipped and got nerfed without need.  This guy does need to get looked over.  Clearly you can have as many people as you want, if they dont know what they are doing=wipe. about cha, all the casters we had had cha of 200+ so cha is not an issue.  I repeat the issue is the DPS and him not being able to land spells like tash/malos to go in for the slow, and the lvl he is in is very difficult for those people playing because they have very obsolete spells, as to compared to icefeather(and I repeat hits weaker and slower) who at 44 casters classes get a pletora of good spells, look them up and do some research. 
 
Laksha said:
see this is what I hate people who do not know anything and they go running their mouth. The reason why he is too hard is because of the DPS, not because of the gear nor because of the people. Frankly I presume you have not seen the gear this people had else you would not have brought that up. If the main tank dies and healers runs out of mana in chain padding right away I dont care how many people you have you are just going to wipe. This mob is not like the previous mob Maggot infested corpse in which raids of 3 groups+ wipped, we did maggot with a single group like 4 times, this fight required strategy. Tarks the storm feather before he got nerfed we did it with a single group, then alot of people complained because in their 4 group raid wipped and got nerfed without need. This guy does need to get looked over. Clearly you can have as many people as you want, if they dont know what they are doing=wipe. about cha, all the casters we had had cha of 200+ so cha is not an issue. I repeat the issue is the DPS and him not being able to land spells like tash/malos to go in for the slow, and the lvl he is in is very difficult for those people playing because they have very obsolete spells, as to compared to icefeather(and I repeat hits weaker and slower) who at 44 casters classes get a pletora of good spells, look them up and do some research.
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The point I was trying to make is that if you can't do a mob with 8 people you either need to get more gear or get more people, thats how pretty much every raid mob works, if you lose with a certain number either get better gear or get more people, not complain about the mobs DPS and say it should be nerfed.
 
Look. Adepts are designed around getting together a small raid of people and killing them while you level up. They aren't intended to be one-group loot farms, because frankly the items from them are much better than what you have access to in dungeons at the same level range. If he's already been killed with 6, it suggests he may even be too easy, but that may have been a fairly twinked group of 6 people. The fact of the matter is he isn't going to be made so easy that he's killable with your average single group.

If you don't have any constructive feedback to offer on the post, don't post in the thread. While this suggestion probably isn't going to be ok'd, Laksha still has the right to post it here and not have snide comments posted in the thread.
 
For the record, I wasn't trying to show off (because I had nothing to do with Snowskin, or any Adept ever) or be snide in any way, I was merely trying to point out that it has been done with 6 characters (3 of which were fairly decked out), so unless it recieved some change I don't know about, it should be fairly reasonable to do with 8-10.

Sorry for shitting things up :tinfoil:
 
No, he is a wolf now, and hits really hard doubt it can be done with 6 anymore.  I toguht he was probably made higher lvl but he cons even to a 46.  Here are some facts when comparing Snowskin to Icefeather using a monk lvl 42 raid buffed by 41 shammy and cleric with 39 mage DS:

(lvl 46)Snowskin: duration of fight 11 secs, total damage 1728, DPS 157.09,attack delay 1.67 secs, max damage 211, ave damage 132.93,min dmg 49, evaded blows from mob 16.67%

(lvl 47)Icefeather: 16 secs, total damage 2251, DPS 140.69, attack delay 1.88 secs, max damage 205, ave damage 140.69, min damage 43, evaded blows from mob 50.0%

so as you can see here in this parse, using yaulp parser, snowskin>icefeather in damage and thats not adding the cone which also does alot more damage to the main tank than the AoE Icefeather has.  What is falied to see here, and I keep repeating myself is this, at lvl 44 the engage for Icefeather clerics get alot of new spells, so does every other casting class that makes this engage doable.  for Icefeather max engage is 44 thus mages are using new pets clerics have celestial healing+resolution+Symbol of naltron, druids and shamans get superior healing(which is usefull).  WITH SNOWSKING DRUIDS AND SHAMANS ARE USING greather healing(useless) and clerics using superior healing, is the point going through now?  We are not asking for you guys to make it easier, we are just asking for you guys to make it doable.   

Also take note that the monk was lvl 42(43 max engage) thus that means that snowskin should have had a HARDER time hitting him than Icefeatehr(max engage 44).  Am I correct?
 
I Disagree.

IIRC, when we did it (while it was in its current form) we had a heavily twinked 42 warrior, moderately twinked level 39 cleric, a moderately twinked 42 rogue, an ungeared level 42 druid, an ungeared level 29 bard, and a level 37 mage (which couldn't even hit it). Took us a couple tries but we got it.

Ginam
 
we had: 2 heavy twinked monks(42)+1 heavy twinked mage(40 and was able to land spells but not malasi)+ 1 heavy twinked cleric(39)+ 1 good twinked cleric(41)+1 good twinked shammy(41)+1 average equipped SK 43+ 1 good equipped rogue 42.  We had more DPS and heals than you did, so he must have been upgraded.
 
laksha's "twinked and heavily twinked" chars are probably *far* below what ginam's "heavily twinked" chars were. Just because you had more chars doesn't mean he got upgraded, maybe your healers weren't efficient with heals, maybe your class setup was wrong, maybe your people just weren't as knowledgable about everything involved in raiding as ginam's crew. There are so many factor's to take in to consideration that is' very difficult to say what the difference in them winning and you losing was. I highly doubt he was upgraded, and thinking that sheer number of characters wiping when a lesser number had previously killed him means that the mob was upgraded isn't a good comparison. Just to give you an example, Legacy used to do raid mobs with 24 people where other guilds on our tier wiped multiple times with 36 on the same mob.
 
and what are you basing this about the twinkage on on Zhak?but one thing is that you are correct this adepts you do need a heavy twinked guy, the common player stands no chance.
 
No, the common player has killed all the adepts, they just take more then 6 people and tank with a warrior.

Ginam
 
Narmarratuk kill all the adepts with him being MT a SK, he was the first one to kill them all(excluding the newones). I'm Narmarratuk and I know what I'm saying because I have lots of experience killing adepts. Stop trying to fight me, I have the numbers there proving that this mob's DPS is much greather than what it should be. If you are not going to bring something constructive don't try to wave war with me.
 
Your numbers are 27 total seconds of parsing. You can't expect anyone to take that seriously, can you?
 
so If I bring you more parsin, will you take me seriously, I'm going to bring everyone again and try it one more time, then I will parse it, That was just done with the MT we used, not the whole raid. However dont miss the point I'm trying to bring here about the lvl of spells, because that is one major point Rab you just can't ignore that.
 
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