Adept Snowskin problem

While I'm sure it's taken into consideration, you're screaming at us TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE SPELLS BECAUSE HE DOES MORE DPS THAN ICEFEATHER all while looking at numbers that mean jack shit.

1) Icefeather has more tricks up his sleeve than Snowskin.
2) Your MT is a monk.
3) Your parses showed FIFTY PERCENT avoidance on Icefeather and only 16% avoidance on Snowskin, which accounts perfectly for the DPS situation. The DPS is comparable, except that you, you know, avoided half his hits for those 16 seconds.
4) You didn't bring a bard for resists.
 
if you want people to take you seriously in an S&R request, it's helpful not to act like you know everything and you're better than the people who post in your thread, we're not all out to get you, we're trying to rationalize the situaiton so we can better understand the mechanics of each adept. It's extremely difficult to come to any kind of conclusion with the lack of good, detailed, well logged information that you've provided us. And to reiterate(sp?) Rabb's point, you used a monk MT and you didn't have a bard for resists. Which goes back to my point that you probably didn't have as good of a class setup as others who've killed him.
 
Laksha said:
(lvl 46)Snowskin: duration of fight 11 secs, total damage 1728, DPS 157.09,attack delay 1.67 secs, max damage 211, ave damage 132.93,min dmg 49, evaded blows from mob 16.67%
(lvl 47)Icefeather: 16 secs, total damage 2251, DPS 140.69, attack delay 1.88 secs, max damage 205, ave damage 140.69, min damage 43, evaded blows from mob 50.0%

clerics have celestial healing+resolution+Symbol of naltron, druids and shamans get superior healing(which is usefull). WITH SNOWSKING DRUIDS AND SHAMANS ARE USING greather healing(useless) and clerics using superior healing, is the point going through now? We are not asking for you guys to make it easier, we are just asking for you guys to make it doable.
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You attempted him 4 times? And only mention 20 seconds of parsing?
Did the healers run OOM after casting 3-4 heals?
If so, how low was the mob when they ran OOM. If not, did someone bugger it up and not heal?

Lets ignore the fact that 20 second parses are obviously so crazy accurate.


Greater Healing (with no HI) heals for 300. Cast time is 3.75 seconds.
Superior Healing (with no HI) heals for 600. Cast time is 4.50 seconds.

You're bitching about a mob that does 157dps.
In 6.5 seconds (about how fast a single cleric can chain superior healing), your MONK tank will take something like 950 damage.
You said the aoe was a cone, so the rest of your raid isn't getting hit. No need to heal anyone else.
From your parse, essentially one cleric and one padder could continue chaining their heals on the MT until they ran OOM.

OMG, WE NEED TWO HEALERS TO KILL AN ADEPT!!!11ONE!!!!1!
 
One other comment-

This adept is engage level 43, not 42. If there's not a reason for you guys to stay at 42, I suggest getting 43 before trying again. A level can make a huge difference.
 
well. The monk we brought in has equal HP and has more ac than most common tanks(including warriors or that lvl and higher).  The bard for resist, well we are not complaining about the cone(he did manage to resist that a few times), just the melee DPS he has, the cone is okey.  We did switch one of the characters once for an enchanter in hopes of Tash+mala/malo line of spell, however even after tash the mob resisted those spells continiously, I think I stop casting malasi with my mage at that time with 208 cha after the 5th time got resisted(after tash landed, so personally dont think a bard for debuff resist will help much either) and went to nukes instead because the clerics were running out of mana.  In Pure melee adepts as the case of Lord commander ragarati we had a monk tank and he actually lasted longer than the plate tank without a complete heal chain.  So monks are really good at avoiding melee damage and this monk has been a great tank for all the other adepts.  I personally dont think 1 lvl difference makes big difference because we did actually better on an adept that was 2 lvls of difference.  Will try it again and this time will get a good parse, but personally I feel the fight was way harder that It should have been for a mob of that lvl.  I agree with traekoth a lvl 60 adept hitting really hard and being bad ass, but this guy is just lvl 46 and hits just as hard or harder than tidefang the wild and Icefeather.  Will try again tomorrow, this time will send DPS right in as soon as the fight start and will try to have pally buffs, maybe the one lvl makes the big difference so will try towork on that too.

Alton we attempted him 3 times with a raid of 8, we attempted Icefeather 2 times with a raid of 6, Both times we had harder time with Snowskin than Icefeather(by this I mean that clerics weren't sweatting their fingers off tapping that heal button and we got him to lower HP).  Then we needed numbers just so that we can prove it so we buffed the monk and sent him on his own to see how well he did against this mob, no heals or people helping him DPS, just the monk by himself so we could get a parse on both adepts.  Things we were looking for was how long the monk will last against the mobs and as you can see the monk got chewed out during Snowsking while with icefeahter timed right he could have had a chance for a CH chain(althou stupid to do it at that lvl) but clerics didnt had to pad the tank continiously (as not taking breaks) and that drains their mana fast also the shammy's heals were useless the shammy could not keep up, which at 44 they get a new heal that wil work better.  we were also looking for numbers to see if it was true that snowskin hits harder than icefeather, which was the case. 

And Zhak I know not all of you are to get me, and please I apologise, I'm terrible at writting and expressing myself. However I really got Irritated about how people that have not even tryed this adept go speaking their mouth of trying to tell me things I already know and are not the case in this situation. I also get irritated that people fail to see my point and I have to keep repeating myself.
 
Laksha said:
Then we needed numbers just so that we can prove it so we buffed the monk and sent him on his own to see how well he did against this mob, no heals or people helping him DPS, just the monk by himself so we could get a parse on both adepts.  Things we were looking for was how long the monk will last against the mobs...
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This is honestly about the least accurate way of determining a mobs strength
 
Laksha said:
Alton we attempted him 3 times with a raid of 8, we attempted Icefeather 2 times with a raid of 6, Both times we had harder time with Snowskin than Icefeather(by this I mean that clerics weren't sweatting their fingers off tapping that heal button and we got him to lower HP). Then we needed numbers just so that we can prove it so we buffed the monk and sent him on his own to see how well he did against this mob, no heals or people helping him DPS, just the monk by himself so we could get a parse on both adepts. Things we were looking for was how long the monk will last against the mobs and as you can see the monk got chewed out during Snowsking while with icefeahter timed right he could have had a chance for a CH chain(althou stupid to do it at that lvl) but clerics didnt had to pad the tank continiously (as not taking breaks) and that drains their mana fast also the shammy's heals were useless the shammy could not keep up, which at 44 they get a new heal that wil work better. we were also looking for numbers to see if it was true that snowskin hits harder than icefeather, which was the case.
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The biggest issue here I see is that you're complaining that you can't kill the adept with 8.
As mentioned above, its been done with 6. Get over it and next time bring better gear, or more people.

Yes, I see the other mob (Icefeather?) is way easier (for your group). Tbh, my view of that means icefeather should be buffed.
I'd always been under the assumption that adepts were aimed as minor 'raid' mobs (say ideally for like 12 people), not 1 uber group.
 
I mean I suppose this could be done with a monk..but an sk would be nice to keep him facing towards the wall the whole time limiting the cone. The 1 or 2 levels definitely make a massive difference with adepts that I've seen. He's a minimum of 2 i think levels higher than you to start with. As far as I've seen the bigger that difference gets, the less chance you have of hitting him with anything whatsoever regardless of cha/dex. Iirc around 5 levels of difference it starts getting mighty slim chancewise, 4 you still have a chance, but its not fantastic. 3 being ok and 2 being the best you're gonna get of course. You're a bit hefty on melee dps too I think. Really the only spelldps that should be used is the mage, and thats not going to be fantastic omgz its dead already dmg. Are the monks keeping him eating wall w/the cone? That should help alot. Maxing out the mage you should probably be able to land malo on the 1st or 2nd try, a necro might help as well as their dots weaken a mob iirc. Sham should probably be maxed to land the slow too, otherwise you just need to cross your fingers and pray it lands. That and as rabb mentioned avoiding half his hits in that amount of time just means your monk got really really lucky. The general rate is probably closer to that of what you experienced with snowskin I would think. Just running the numbers in my head snowskin would have gotten in a little higher than 1000 damage if you had the same rate of avoidance on both. To boot w/the same avoidance rate on icefeather at 16% you would have taken around 3.7k or so total in those 16 seconds. If anything the numbers point out that other than his little aoe cone icefeather is way harder. But then again, the logs are composed of less time than it takes me to have a cig in subzero weather. But to reiterate I don't think you'll have any problems whatsoever provided everything runs smoothly if everyone gets maxlevel for him.

Though to add i think snowskin is where adepts start getting rougher. There are alot of them that can just be done by your average everyday pickup group before him, after that you need some organization for most of them and a plan. Only 2 times I ever attempted this particular mob leaves 50% success rate with 1 or 2 moderately heavy twinks (ie a couple of pieces of stellar gear, warlord bp, bsaph earrings on casters etc.) and the rest just falling in the average range. Both groups were 12 people pickup groups. the first, and failing one, was heftily slanted towards melee dps, though the melee's were mostly 42 down to 40. The 2nd iirc we had a rogue, sk, monk, mage, 2xwiz, bard, 2 clerics, a shammy, druid, beast and a pally. Sk twinked mage twinked, and rest falling in the moderate to low twinkage area. As far as I knew adepts were intended to be a 2group or more affair, with 2 groups w/out twinkage having the "ability" to take one down with a few tries.
 
Didn't Wiz once say that adepts are made to be killable with an averagely geared group of 16-18? Well, if it wasn't Wiz it was definitely a staff because I heard this at some point when I was doing the adept scene. Granted, this Snowskin is a new mob, but I'm sure similar rules apply. And when you consider you are only decently twinked, I don't see why you believe a group of 8 should be able to kill him.

If you could, I think we would all like to see the Fomelo's of your group of 8. I'm not posting this to attack your points, but from reading this post it looks like you are trying to take down a powerful mob with merely a decent force.
 
no Wiz said a group+
thats at least what I think. If you need 16+ people to kill Rab the rat then there is something wrong.

you can look at my characters Ereshkigal+ishthal
 
Shouldn't have much in the way of problems w/your cleric, not really adept w/clerics as I played one for all of 6 minutes, but looks like a solid setup. Only thing I see offhand is you might wanna ditch the gloves for like barbed bloodsteel ones, but you shouldnt have to do that for the snowskin fight so I digress. Leveling the clr will give you a tiny bit more breathing room as far as mana is concerned though. As far as your mage goes maybe a bit more chawise, I don't remember much about the low 40's though. Maxing the level for the fight will still help you immensely on the mage though. Definite steps for that, the cleric isnt as important to do so with but it will make it easier on you. Also you dont need a group to do rab the rat, nor do you need one for a goodly number of the lowbie adepts. But it definitely increases your chances of success. I'd expect it goes something like 1-2 for rab 3-5 for grikk and those ones 8-12 for tarx and those up to 3groups on traek. With average gear of course. If someone's twinked to the gills it wouldnt really make much sense to fight most of the adepts anyways lol.
 
Laksha said:
no Wiz said a group+
thats at least what I think. If you need 16+ people to kill Rab the rat then there is something wrong.

you can look at my characters Ereshkigal+ishthal
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Wiz: "Adepts are designed for forces around 3 groups not made up out of an ideal mix of classes."
 
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