ThunndarrNameless
Dalayan Beginner
I've heard GMs state that what Bone said is accurate.Nuncio said:Bone said:
Uh.... Pretty sure they give both?
A few paladin ideas
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Ive heard that whoever equips a shield has a chance to block, pets included. If the AC shown on my character info is incorrect when I put on a shield, it would be nice to know.ThunndarrNameless said:I've heard GMs state that what Bone said is accurate.Nuncio said:Bone said:
Uh.... Pretty sure they give both?
I think he is confusing it for Lineage 2, there the AC of a shield does not add to your defense it just improves the chances of block to happen, here is not the same, i dont see any reason why not, and I already tested it and proved that yest they do give AC, unless those numbers don't mean anything. Will be stupid a shield not giving AC. It will be almost as stupid as saying that the AC in your pants only give protection to your legs lol.
diolas
Dalayan Beginner
A while ago avoidance was removed for knights while casting and using a 1h + shield. It was my understanding that this was done because of the AC bonus given by shields. Has the AC been removed since then? I also remember hearing tell of the AC reflecting the block %. Could someone clear up the whole shield issue with regards to knights?
The AC shown in your inventory window is, I believe, a client-side calculation. Just like the one from skill modifiers. I believe wiz stated somewhere that weapon skills have a max 25% modifier. Even though two different +% to h2h or 2hs items don't show any more effect on your attack in the inventory window than the stronger one, server-side you are getting a greater effect, and that's what counts in trying to hit a mob.
Likewise, with the AC from the shield, you're seeing some preset calculation on your end that isn't identical to the server-side calculation. As I understand it, the AC on the shield gives no actual armor class, but counts triple (or some such) toward block. I'm not quite sure how I feel about it, but that's the way it is.
Likewise, with the AC from the shield, you're seeing some preset calculation on your end that isn't identical to the server-side calculation. As I understand it, the AC on the shield gives no actual armor class, but counts triple (or some such) toward block. I'm not quite sure how I feel about it, but that's the way it is.
so what you guys are trying to say is that:
1) shields dont give any AC because you now get block?
2) because now PAL/SK get block with a shield they got evasion removed?
3) calculations you get on the inventory windows is incorrect?
can someone from SoD developer team clarify this please?
As I tought from live Evasion was a monk only ability, adn I think beastlords also had it... Dont remeber ever seeing a paladin with evasion skill. This is creating confusion.
1) shields dont give any AC because you now get block?
2) because now PAL/SK get block with a shield they got evasion removed?
3) calculations you get on the inventory windows is incorrect?
can someone from SoD developer team clarify this please?
As I tought from live Evasion was a monk only ability, adn I think beastlords also had it... Dont remeber ever seeing a paladin with evasion skill. This is creating confusion.
The formula is AC x 2 = Block skill as i have been told in the past so
1 ac shield: 1x2 = 2 block skill
65 ac shield : 65x2 = 130 block skill
In my opinion usign a shield is pretty useless unless u need the stats from it the block doesnt seem to do much in the way fo helping a paladin tank.
1 ac shield: 1x2 = 2 block skill
65 ac shield : 65x2 = 130 block skill
In my opinion usign a shield is pretty useless unless u need the stats from it the block doesnt seem to do much in the way fo helping a paladin tank.
HMMMMMM so that means that I'm giving away a butt load of AC from a shield the one thing that puts SK/PAL over a monk or a warrior when tanking for the ability of having block and this WILL never compare to the block a monk will have, this explains alot, not going to waste my time arguing how much tanks have been screwed on AC anymore, seems like what I tought was a bonus is actually a penalty, I'm out. good luck.
Laksha said:
You are full of it, Lakasha.
As for the rest of you still speculating over things;
Shield AC does not give AC, it turns AC into block skill x2 -- that's how it works, end of story.
I can't begin to comprehend how you say shields aren't worth it, Bone. If you're fighting something that isn't trivial, chances are the knight's DPS matters jack and shit, in which case a shield is the way to go.
Nah, Laksha, a shield may come in handy if it's got stats or resists that you may need for a certain encounter. Otherwise, all this means is that you should use a 2 hander unless one of these situations arise.
Since we use our spells for aggro, and when duoing, im with my shaman, and thus cast lifetap a lot, the shield is apparently nigh on useless, since I'm casting quite a bit, which would nullify any blocking I would get from the shield. So two hander is more damage, meaning mob dies quicker, means I take less damage. Should probably parse this crap to really figure out how much of the time you can block (and are blocking) when using a shield and casting a normal amount.
But if a shield = 0 AC, and you cant block while casting, regular XP groups should be done witha 2 hander, at least examining it on this precursory level. Mebbe I'll do some parses while XPing.
Since we use our spells for aggro, and when duoing, im with my shaman, and thus cast lifetap a lot, the shield is apparently nigh on useless, since I'm casting quite a bit, which would nullify any blocking I would get from the shield. So two hander is more damage, meaning mob dies quicker, means I take less damage. Should probably parse this crap to really figure out how much of the time you can block (and are blocking) when using a shield and casting a normal amount.
But if a shield = 0 AC, and you cant block while casting, regular XP groups should be done witha 2 hander, at least examining it on this precursory level. Mebbe I'll do some parses while XPing.
I may be full of it, but In live my paladin used to get shield block ability AND AC from the shield, I know this is not live, but that is a HUGE nerf down. When I came to this server and was not aware that Shield's AC was not really AC I was happy to have block, I also noticed alot of classes were alot better than live, like rogue's skills are useful and get lots of nifty backstabbing+ modifiers, wizzards get manaless nukes, mages gets lots of summon items wiht effects worth having, so on so on. seems like most classes here are better than live with the exception of Bards/tanks(crap for AC/HP gear for lvls 25-55, hate issues)/necros(weakpets)/shammies(no heal over times weaker slows/haste). And seriously adding the AC so it works like AC and also as a block ability is not overpowering, I may suggest to do it like on live, you get AC from a shield untill you get shield block ability from AAs. Not saying it is ulesless, but it is a big nerf down on AC and thats one problem that I have been trying to get here. no other classes depend on AC and HP like Wars/Pal/SK.
They did parsing where knights were out tanking warriors (with lifetaps and stuns being counted as mitigation, which stuns certainly are, lifetaps, debatable), and thus nerfed avoidance while casting. Not sure if the AC stuffs of shields were tested, because Id idn't know about this till now.