2-boxing

I enjoy grouping with beastlords. They provide decent buffs, really good DPS, and a good split/emergency tank, as well as being able to take the role of slowing, and taking potential aggro from slows.

I find that most people on WR don't even have a clue to the kind of DPS a beastlord can do, and bundle them in the "ehh sucks" heap because they've listened too much to Wazeek or Lokdar.
 
Wiz said:
I enjoy grouping with beastlords. They provide decent buffs, really good DPS, and a good split/emergency tank, as well as being able to take the role of slowing, and taking potential aggro from slows.

I find that most people on WR don't even have a clue to the kind of DPS a beastlord can do, and bundle them in the "ehh sucks" heap because they've listened too much to Wazeek or Lokdar.
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Well, it's not like im going to believe you more than I believe in Wazeek or some random guy here because you are basically the admin :p , but the point is, as Wazeek pointed out clearly, Beastlords are behind any class, they can become "back up whatever" if needed, but they wont be good at it, because they are behind shamans in their spell lists. How high is the amount of DPS that a beastlord has on any mob of his/her lvl, compared to other classes, like magician, for eg? :brow:
I was thinking in making a beastlord after I lvl a bit more my mage, so it's scary that people in the forums say that beastlords arent really good :sadf:
 
Beastlords have slows that are 5% less than the shaman counter part, and at 65 are equal.

Combine with good DPS, soon to able the ability to attack with their pets as MT, and adding in stat buffs and light heals..

Beastlords are a solid class. People need to actually crack out numbers to get their minds over these silly conceptions.
 
Geez, everyone goes nuts about beastlords.. It was a joke folks.. The same can be said about a paladin or SK..

Paladin vs Cleric (heals) - Cleric
Paladin vs Warrior (tank) - Warrior

SK vs Necromancer (dmg/dots/taps) - Necromancer
SK vs Warrior (tank ability, incoming dmg) - Warrior

See?

A shaman, or monk isn't always availlable for groups.. especially for lower levels.. People below 60 are happy to get any type of healer, they are just happy to get a group. It's just that when a shaman or monk is available, the bst gets ignored. Which they should, for obvious reasons.

I parsed dps on a lvl 60+ bst in a normal exp group. I omitted unusually low DPS fights (most of the low dps fights the bst was throwing heals on the tank, thus lowering dps). The dps average of the bst was around 15-20dps, the pet was around 30-35. This obviously puts the bst below Rogues, Monks, and Rangers. They are comparable in DPS to Knights, but a knight with a very good weapon can outdamage them usually.

If I remember correctly, a mage pet can do up to 40-45DPS. This doesn't include their nukes which can add a good amount of dps.

As far as raids go.. The beastlord is at the bottom of the line. Their DPS will be the lowest in the raid (at high end).. UNLESS: 1) Knights have crappy weapons (which prolly will never happen, seems like more than half the uber mobs drop a pal/sk type weapon), 2) any melee class, with the exception of rogues and [maybe] monks, are below level 60 in the mid to high 50's.. Or of course if other caster classes are busy doing a different job, like necro tapping the clerics. The spiritual purity is helpful... I guess. But you only need 1 bst for that.

Basically your the 2nd string class! If the shaman goes down, your up. Pinch Slow! ... If all the tanks go down, your up. If the cleric goes down, your up on pad heals.. The fun thing about beastlord is that your job is dynamic. As a beastlord you change your job depending on who is in the group, or who dies. If that seems like fun to you, then go ahead make a bst.. Stick with it, and enjoy your class... However, if you want to be a vital part of a raid/group/guild.. Then beastlord is not for you.

On raids.. well.. if we ever get mobs that DT, have an uber AE to start the fight, etc.. Well.. then you have a very important job! :lol:
 
WazeekWazoo said:
Geez, everyone goes nuts about beastlords.. It was a joke folks.. The same can be said about a paladin or SK..

Paladin vs Cleric (heals) - Cleric
Paladin vs Warrior (tank) - Warrior

SK vs Necromancer (dmg/dots/taps) - Necromancer
SK vs Warrior (tank ability, incoming dmg) - Warrior
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Argument sort of falls out here.

A paladin isnt against a cleric for a group role. He is a secondary healer, and in many cases, a better tank. A paladin can heal all downtime damage and keep aggro very effectively.

An SK is not against a Necro. An SK is a single handed FD splitter, MT, and added DPS.

So instead of having a warrior and a monk, you get one SK and fill out the group with 5 other classes.

Its still quite viable.
 
First off...

A lvl 65 Warrior with good weapons, and 100AA is FAR superior in tanking ability than a lvl 65 Paladin with 100AA.. The difference is more dmg avoidance, better styles, around 600-700 more HP, etc. So comparing a paladin to a warrior is fair.

A group that already has a tank and a normal healer (dru/sham)... Cleric and Paladin available.. Who gets the group? The cleric.

SK's on live were generally vs. necromancers for groups. Mobs don't flee on WR, but on live a snare class was vital on live. Most groups already had a healer/tank, and they just need a snare class, which most would choose necro... On WR, if the group already has a tank, they would probably do better with the necro.

Any class can go up against another class when it comes to a open slot for a group. It just depends on the preference and/or class make-up of the group... Rogue Vs Cleric ... Group of 5: Warrior, Cleric, Rogue, Rogue, Rogue.. 3 rogues.. their DPS is fine.. Cleric is having trouble keeping everyon healed.. Cleric gets the group..

The point is, you can compare any class to any other class. I used Paladin and SK to prove the point, that just because in those certain areas the beastlord falls short to their counterpart, it doesn't mean they are a useless class.
 
Bah, this topic has gone silly.
If I start a group I allways invite people who ask me if I have room (I never check there class before I accept it). Yeah, I've had my war/clr + 4 more wars in a 6 group once, wasn't that effective but I had fun and that's all that matters to me. :eek:
 
Fjodor said:
Bah, this topic has gone silly.
If I start a group I allways invite people who ask me if I have room (I never check there class before I accept it). Yeah, I've had my war/clr + 4 more wars in a 6 group once, wasn't that effective but I had fun and that's all that matters to me. :eek:
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Same here! I dont really care for this class issues, but the fact is, if many people keep thinking that to group "you need the perfect classes", then classes like beastlords will be useless, because they wont be able to group at all ;( it's not about balancing classes, it's more about people just grouping, plain simple. About raids, well, there you NEED certain classes, but as Wazeek said, beastlords will be there to replace whoever gets killed.
 
when I'm pl'ing my rogue in velks I have to leave pet down because even without my pet getting buffed and me not meleeing he sometimes steals the kill from Joscelin (if rogue gets a bad string of backstabs or evades).
 
Play a monk if you want to pull. If you want to solo (and not 2box), play a bard. I think bards are the most powerful class, yet no one plays them. The only reason I have an enc instead of a bard is because bards are too click intensive to duo. I guess I could macro a bard, but that would probably break the rules;)

Anyway, there is no solid easy solo exp for monks on WR because the blues you can kill give you almost no exp, and the blues that give solid exp kill you. There is no SolB, or Fungus Grove type exp zone. I think there should be because oftentimes it's still very hard to get groups, but that is a topic for another post. (I know Velks is soloable but 5-6 hours for 1 aa makes me want to shoot myself). Basically, monks must group. On top of that, there are 5000 monks.

Go bard!

Yvin/Yvang
 
Another little note on the monk soloing...

On Live for a monk, soloing was definitely an option up until about 60.
However, that was mainly because of the dramatic mudflation that occured. There was the fungi tunic, basically the one reason monk's could solo, which dropped in price so dramatically that if you really wanted one, you could afford it. There was also the abundance of cheap weapons/armor. If you compare the stats on the gear of a typical level 40 monk on Live to a typical level 40 monk on WR, the Live monk would have more DPS, more HP, more AC. Personally, I love being on WR and saving up my plat so I can buy a medkit. :finger:
 
dannin said:
when I'm pl'ing my rogue in velks I have to leave pet down because even without my pet getting buffed and me not meleeing he sometimes steals the kill from Joscelin (if rogue gets a bad string of backstabs or evades).
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Backstabs from rogues make up a HUGE portion of the DPS... Think about it.. Say you land a 600dmg backstab every 6 seconds (averaged out.. which is very doable especially with crit AA+IB3+over lvl 60).. Well, that's 100 Extra DPS... Since most rogues 60 and above do from 140-160 DPS (sometimes higher).. That lowers the rogues DPS considerably to anywhere from 40 to 70 DPS. Making them close to the DPS of warriors, which they should be without backstab. Thus, letting your beastlord who is doing 50-60DPS take the kill sometimes.

I find it hard to believe a BST can do an upwards of 100DPS. That's very close to a monks DPS. So, if that is true.. BST and Monk dps reaching the same.. Then the only thing that can compare Monks and Bst is Feign Death+10 or so more DPS+very minimal tanking vs. Spells.. FD/10 dps/avoidance .. FOR ... Sow, Haste, DD, DoT's, HP buffs, HP/Mana Regen spell, Healing, Debuffs, Invis, Atk buffs.. etc... Doesn't seem to fair to me. Why would anyone choose a monk?
 
cuz

i chose monk because i like the class. i've played casters and dont care for them. my first EQ character ever was a ranger. he was alot of fun but became too hard to keep alive around level 45ish. i tried monk out.. started fresh btw, no twinking for me.. and i loved it. my monk had lower end gear.. meaning what i could camp for myself or scrimp and save for, up until i joined my guild at level 48. even if i'll never make it past 40 or so on WR with my monk i'll still be playing him. i'll crawl thru the levels killing light blues if i have to, because thats what i enjoy doing. lots of monk twinks arose back before the mitigation nerf. lots of veteran players with lots of money to blow on monk gear.. and that fungi tunic. i watched 4 out of 5 monks blow by me in levels with stuff on that rivaled level 60 monks. even after the mitigation nerf i kept playing him. it's what you like to do that makes this game fun. i like to monk around.. so there you are.
 
monk has very unique capabilities compared to most other classes... if you find it hard to believe what a beastlord can do, maybe you should watch one in action instead of just making up numbers off the top of your head :finger:
 
I parsed YOU in a group, in CMAL. I parsed 15 fights, omitting low dps fights, due to healing.. Because you healed khalid a lot in a couple fights when thossur went LD, or against Voice. I reported the results, and they were in-line with what I said.. I even remember you saying something to the extent of "where can I get that parser?" in groupchat. At that time you were also 63, probably roughly the same gear. If you had the potential to get anywhere near 100dps, you would be getting an upwards of 70-90dps, but you never got close. Ravina outdamaged you every single fight, doing around 70-80 depending on the fight.

To summarize in one line... Not made up.
 
i've parsed for more than 15 fights.. and including pet dps, ive done more than 70-80dps consistently, soloing tho.. mobs a bit weaker in SG :p
 
are bestlords that much idff in WR? on live i felt them terribly overpowered, slows, buffs just under shaman, haste, heals, the ability to solo at any lvl, the ability to fill almost any role

while our bests never out dpsed any dps classes, they had acess to the same stuff the monks did for the most part, and wernt that far behind dps wise
 
Got DPS?!

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Which program is that if you don't mind my asking.

And do you have to type /log on every time you log on ;) if you know what i mean,
 
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