Why limit boxing to two?

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bp2008

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Hi all,

I was excited to find an apparently popular free EQ server, complete with custom content. Then I read the rule that limits multi-boxers to two simultaneous characters! I understand why two characters are allowed... Some classes just can't roll solo, and you want to let players play solo when necessary without limiting them to a small set of classes.

The other rules I can live with, but this one just seems ridiculous to me. I have searched the forums for the reason behind this rule's existence, and all I found were more odd and somewhat irritating policies. So, why does the rule against 3+ boxing exist?

Is it out of fear that everyone would just create a box army and stop grouping with others?

Is it a left over rule from a time when the servers couldn't handle the population? (Maybe this is still the case?)

Did some big-wig once try to 3 box, fail miserably, and decide if he couldn't do it then nobody could?

Or does this rule exist only for the sake of having another rule? (there certainly are a lot of them)

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I think the rule is just a pain in the ass. We've all been in the situation where we really want to do some group content, but there isn't anyone around to group with. If I am willing to put in the time and effort to level up my own group of toons, then shouldn't I be allowed to do it?

Is the player base of SoD really so good that I could log on any class at any level and get a dungeon/named group without waiting for hours? Unless that answer is a resounding "YES," then I just can't see how limiting boxing to two characters is justified.
 
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bp2008 said:
Is it out of fear that everyone would just create a box army and stop grouping with others?
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As far as I understand:
Sort of this, boxing was originally because there was time when you could not find a group, and it was difficult to solo, but grouping is the preferred means of playing on this server. If you do not want to play with other people, don't play an MMO basically.


(Also, inb4trashcan)
 
Yes the population is such that you almost always can get a group.

Yes allowing unlimited boxing would destroy grouping.

First posts that have an overwhelmingly negative and attacking tome rarely get a good response.

There are ppl here who have 2boxed just about every combo and made it work, so you don't NEED unless you're just DYING to play that great shaman / shaman combo.. or whatever
 
As a low population sever, it can occasionally be hard to find groups. There is no class that is unplayable with the correct second box. However, if 3, 4, or 6 boxing were allowed there would be little incentive to group at all, and SoD is designed to promote cooperation and grouping.
 
The way I see it, if people could 3+ box you would have a single person tieing up the high end content for farming purposes with his T8-9 characters when Tier 0-3 characters want to do it (who would actually benefit from it).. Cmal for example.

You would see people soloing D and possibly VD maps for whatever reason..

as stated above, it would effectivly end any reason to group at all..
 
Boxing was originally allowed when the player base was small enough to necessitate it, and was never repealed. There are actually quite a few reasons the limitations are what they are, group play promotion only being one aspect of it.

I wouldnt ever count on or wish for more than two being allowed, I'd be more concerned with being happy with what exists, lest it be taken away completely.

Actually on that note, there is a reason for every rule that exists, and despite being numerous, most of them equate to "dont do things that would get your teeth kicked in if this wasnt the internet".

Your last point, no, you shouldnt be allowed to do whatever you wish simply because you feel like it. If you want to do that, you are free to create your own emu. Since this one isnt yours, you abide by the rules of this server, or dont play it. Quite simple really.
 
Plasmatic said:
The way I see it, if people could 3+ box you would have a single person tieing up the high end content for farming purposes with his T8-9 characters when Tier 0-3 characters want to do it (who would actually benefit from it).. Cmal for example.

You would see people soloing D and possibly VD maps for whatever reason..

as stated above, it would effectivly end any reason to group at all..
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Pretty sure everything you just said already happens with two boxes.
 
Plasmatic said:
The way I see it, if people could 3+ box you would have a single person tieing up the high end content for farming purposes with his T8-9 characters when Tier 0-3 characters want to do it (who would actually benefit from it).. Cmal for example.

You would see people soloing D and possibly VD maps for whatever reason..

as stated above, it would effectivly end any reason to group at all..
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Well, it sounds like that is exactly the reason I had expected. I suppose that if I had a group of high levels, the temptation to farm the high end content for personal profit or twinking would be too great.
 
People still do that with 2 box's. Alot of newer guilds have to deal with it to progress.
 
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Yes, people already do this, but it's a still a small margin of the top geared people on the server.

Just imagine how bad it would be with people 3 boxing.
 
i myself would never play three at a time because i view it as a pain in the ass but damn i would love it just for the sake of buffing my duo.


Nuvian
 
I would like to 3 box aswell for the sake of buffing, but limiting it to 3 for buffs would make it impossible to enforce without spending a whole lot more time observing.. which means its not gonna happened
 
Well, for buffing purposes I could see why having 3 toons online to do it would be preferable. I mean, if i go out playing with my Dru/Wiz combo to farm trees then I would want both of them to have soulbonded aego's just in case. Now i have to first log in wiz/clr and sb aego him then log off wiz, get dru on and reg aego him.

I dont really see the big deal in having all 3 online, buff the dru/wiz both with sb aego and then dropping the clr. But hey, thats just me... and the rules are the rules. So we live with em :)

It's a whole different story when i would be playing with my dru/wiz @ trees while i have my bard chilling around with songs for support. Then i would in fact be actively playing/fighting with the 3 of them giving me benefits that make it way overpowered...
 
Basically with three boxing, you'd have the standard cookie cutter boxes with a bard added onto them.

And it would basically replace shamans with druids in all duos cause you can haste / slow with the bard, plus DS songs, plus druid ports, plus heals, plus druid DS. The list really goes on!
 
BeittilBonker said:
Well, for buffing purposes I could see why having 3 toons online to do it would be preferable. I mean, if i go out playing with my Dru/Wiz combo to farm trees then I would want both of them to have soulbonded aego's just in case. Now i have to first log in wiz/clr and sb aego him then log off wiz, get dru on and reg aego him.
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Or you could find another cleric to buff both of your toons. Part of the reason for the rule is to encourage interaction between players. ;)
 
50p in Athica will buy you all the buffs you want. Hell, sit in Athica for 2 minutes, and someone will /shout that they are buffing for free at steps\bridge\bank.
 
GuiardoTuneweaver said:
Or you could find another cleric to buff both of your toons. Part of the reason for the rule is to encourage interaction between players. ;)
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I think it tries to encourage interaction, but all it ends up doing is making most players log on one extra buff bot. I am not saying this is good or bad, I am just saying that the intended purpose (interaction) rarely happens in the high end.
 
jules4099 said:
50p in Athica will buy you all the buffs you want. Hell, sit in Athica for 2 minutes, and someone will /shout that they are buffing for free at steps\bridge\bank.
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While this is true some of the time, quite often you can sit in Athica /shouting that you're paying for buffs and not have any luck. This is especially true if you are trying to get things like relic mage ds, SV, etc.

It is worth mentioning that having 2 characters in game, dropping one with /q or alt+f4, and logging in a third character can still result in bannings since it takes a few minutes for the dropped character to actually leave the game. I've seen two people banned/jailed for this since I've been back, and have seen many many people who do this regularly and just haven't been unlucky and gotten caught yet. This includes people with very high end characters too. Camping out takes a few seconds longer but is 100% safe so I really recommend using it.
 
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