What really sucks about SoD

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For a monks purpose, they rather be already running when they cast it, so 0 sec cast time is what makes it great. Its 0 sec cast time, so it doesn't really matter the resist rate. Switching it in/out of range kinda sucks. But it is invaluable to a monk, especially when doing running splits. So coin is kinda meh, and not really a replacement to hexdoll.

The fact that it pre-malos for shaman/ench/mage helps once they get mob back to camp.

I really don't like the fact that from what I have seen, there is no other clicky to replace it in the raid game. If there was a 40 hour quest to get an ammo version of this, I would do it in a heartbeat if I didn't already have the hexdoll.
 
The coin is better than the malodoll for a warrior.

1.) It triggers foelock.
2.) Has a reasonably low resist rate, even on high tier mobs before debuffs.
3.) It fits in the ammo slot.

rust hammer >>> coin > malodoll cause you can click from inventory and still have room for your box of halfings in your ammo ^^
 
First of all,

I agree with you and sympathise.

To me though, pretty much everything you said is all because of the age of the game. I started this game SIX years ago, in about 2003. It was called Winter's Roar then, and it was almost a completely different game. The players were nicer, and everyone was new to it.

The game was pretty much exactly as you described. I had only been playing for a week, and someone asked me to join their guild. When I joined there was just about 6 people. He recruited some more, and eventually we had about a dozen people all around level 20 or so. We levelled up, sometimes alone, sometimes in pairs, and sometimes all together.

Eventually we all started reaching level 65, and then we started doing some very basic raids like The Reznolaw. Back then there was no such thing as adepts, and there was a tiny fraction of the loot that exists today. So many of us were wearing things that we got in the 30's, and the few high level items we had, are pathetic when I look back at them now. Nobody had more than 1 or 2 ft, and many people were lacking a lot of spells. We would wipe over and over and over, and we only managed to succeed when we invited people from outside the guild to help.

This was typical of the game back then. There was a few high level guilds like Ruin who did pretty well, and were very experienced and well organised, although even those guys, they had very basic tier 1 / 2 / 3 type gear. Having more than 100AA's was rare and astounding if someone did. I ended up joining them eventually, and at the time, we used to raid Storms Eye as often as possible. It was challenging and dangerous, and we were raiding there with a LOT of people, before the 18 person limit. We were killing mobs in there that no other guild on the server had killed as far as I know.

The robe I got from that place, is now farmed by 1 person... This is a raid mob that used to wipe us with like 20 or so people, when we were the top guild on the server.

This is just "mudflation" and seems to happen to most games. SoD handles it best than most (just look at how bad EQ is now...), but it still exists. It's just a shame you didn't really see it from the start because it was exactly how you wanted it. If you want to still experience that today, you are going to have a hard time. Like people said, most people have done everything, multiple times. Most of the high up guilds do not even do tmaps. All their gear is better than any of the gear dropped from any tmap.

So yeah, all you can really do is try to find people who are new to the game. I levelled up some new characters recently so I did several tmaps over Christmas, and each time it was with other people who were all first time players, so it was really challenging and yet fun. I think you are just going to need to track down as many people like that, as possible. It won't be easy, but you should be able to do it. At one point, I did /who blackburrow tonight and there were 20 people in the zone. Many may have been twinks, but maybe not. It just goes to show there are always new people playing the game. You only have to spend 5 minutes in Dalaya's Beginners to see that, so hopefully you can get to hang around with people like that and try to experience the game as a fresh new player. There are lots of fresh players out there, the trick will be to find the ones who don't just leave Dalaya's Beginners and go straight in to one of those cheaty guilds you described.

most people seem to want to waltz through content.

There isnt a whole lot that can be done about that

Perhaps banning guild hopping scumbags could be a start. It's one thing to go through one or two guilds until you find the right one for you, and it's another thing to go through SEVERAL and use each one to help boost your character and then you just leave them. Or have the entire guild help gear you up to 8k mana etc, and then you just leave and join/form a lower tier guild with over powered characters and walk through all the content and pretend you are god.

It's the SoD equivalent of an aimbot, only it screws a bunch of people in the process.
 
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The coin is bad for monk pulls. If you use the coin on one mob, and you end up splitting another mob off, if your monk is standing when the effect from the coin wears off, it re-aggros the mob. Kinda bad news.
 
Perhaps banning guild hopping scumbags could be a start. It's one thing to go through one or two guilds until you find the right one for you, and it's another thing to go through SEVERAL and use each one to help boost your character and then you just leave them. Or have the entire guild help gear you up to 8k mana etc, and then you just leave and join/form a lower tier guild with over powered characters and walk through all the content and pretend you are god.

It's the SoD equivalent of an aimbot, only it screws a bunch of people in the process.

Perhaps guilds should be more selective about who they let in, rather than suggesting to dump the problem on the staff of the server to monitor and police.

Short answer: Your idea is awful, and not only no, but hell no.

You are suggesting punishing people on their choices of how to play an MMO. If someone wants to be a "guild hopping scumbag" then thats the choice they make, but they dont make it alone. You cant be a "guild hopping scumbag" without guilds accepting you and further nurturing that behavior. However along your line of thinking, why dont we just start banning people who wear orange, or who have the letter N in their names, or who choose to solo instead of group. This sure is sounding like a fun game now, isnt it. In fact, let's remove all aspect of choice. Everyone is now a lvl 1 gnome enchanter. You start in the catbox. You can do nothing except stare at the walls. The only choice that remains to you is how to stare at the walls, until we can find a way to fix your vision to one spot and remove that as well. Cant have people whining that someone else stares at walls better than them, can we?

Dont make asinine suggestions. The problem described is solely player based, and until you can start changing the majority of peoples minds, it will remain, and in no way is the staff going to try and adjust everyones approach to this topic to suit the handful that share the same viewpoint when the rest of the server disagrees, but more so, when the point is to allow people to play how they want to play.
 
Perhaps guilds should be more selective about who they let in, rather than suggesting to dump the problem on the staff of the server to monitor and police.

Short answer: Your idea is awful, and not only no, but hell no.
How can a guild know a person's true motives before hand? These people are purposely deceptive, that's the whole point.

And no it's not an awful idea, it's just an idea which is more than you offered.


You are suggesting punishing people on their choices of how to play an MMO. If someone wants to be a "guild hopping scumbag" then thats the choice they make, but they dont make it alone.
Just because it's someone's choice doesn't make it right. Someone could choose to be an ass and purposely go in to a raid and train everyone, but they don't because there are rules. This is no different to that.

You cant be a "guild hopping scumbag" without guilds accepting you and further nurturing that behavior.
Just because some people accept it doesn't mean it's right.

However along your line of thinking, why dont we just start banning people who wear orange, or who have the letter N in their names, or who choose to solo instead of group.
Because that is completely different and completely harmless and doesn't screw a dozen or more people in the process?

This sure is sounding like a fun game now, isnt it. In fact, let's remove all aspect of choice. Everyone is now a lvl 1 gnome enchanter. You start in the catbox. You can do nothing except stare at the walls. The only choice that remains to you is how to stare at the walls, until we can find a way to fix your vision to one spot and remove that as well. Cant have people whining that someone else stares at walls better than them, can we?
Yeah really hilarious Ikaa. Good job.

Dont make asinine suggestions.
Don't write off my suggestions as asinine just because you don't agree with it.

The problem described is solely player based, and until you can start changing the majority of peoples minds, it will remain, and in no way is the staff going to try and adjust everyones approach to this topic to suit the handful that share the same viewpoint when the rest of the server disagrees, but more so, when the point is to allow people to play how they want to play.
The problem is when he said he can't join certain guilds on the server because they have or are even run by someone who guild hopped through a high tier guild and had all those people in that guild gear that person up, thinking that they were INVESTING their time and effort boosting a character, which would pay off by having that character raid with them in the future. Instead that person betrays the entire guild and goes to a lower tier guild where they can basically trivialise all their raid content.

For a server with so many elitists who despise the EZ MODE WoW and claim to play SoD because it's more hardcore and more challenging, it's pretty hypocritical to turn a blind eye to people who as the OP describes, "cheat".
 
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Perhaps banning guild hopping scumbags could be a start. It's one thing to go through one or two guilds until you find the right one for you, and it's another thing to go through SEVERAL and use each one to help boost your character and then you just leave them. Or have the entire guild help gear you up to 8k mana etc, and then you just leave and join/form a lower tier guild with over powered characters and walk through all the content and pretend you are god.

It's the SoD equivalent of an aimbot, only it screws a bunch of people in the process.

Welcome to the real world
 
There is something called a reputation, and you build one as you play. If you guild hop it will be known. Justice is served inheritably, it's not an issue for gm's to deal with. Training a raid is not something facilitated by the victim, but a choice of the guy that does it. Therefore gm's can intervene. Allowing someone into your guild who turns out to be a cheat, although unfortunate, is brought on by the person/people who invited him. It's a choice you have to deal with. Not everything is going to go your way, not every decision you make will be the right one.

This is one of the whiny-est threads of late.
 
How can a guild know a person's true motives before hand? These people are purposely deceptive, that's the whole point.
you seem to expect the staff to be able to discern peoples motives so... the same way?
And no it's not an awful idea, it's just an idea which is more than you offered.
nope, it's awful


Don't write off my suggestions as asinine just because you don't agree with it.
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For a server with so many elitists who despise the EZ MODE WoW and claim to play SoD because it's more hardcore and more challenging, it's pretty hypocritical to turn a blind eye to people who as the OP describes, "cheat".
if this is your actual position, then a MUCH better way of enforcing it than banning people who join more than one guild would be to make it illegal to share your account info. I still disagree, but it is a lot less stupid.
 
Just because it's someone's choice doesn't make it right. Someone could choose to be an ass and purposely go in to a raid and train everyone, but they don't because there are rules. This is no different to that.

This is the only point you made that was actually worth addressing, not because it's a valid point, but because I *KNEW* you were going to say it.

Yes, it is different. It is very different. Furthermore, you dont know another persons motives, and there could be hundreds of reasons they would leave a higher tier guild. Since it is impossible to know what goes on in someone elses head, there is not a way to ban for the one that may be malicious, and not ban for the other hundred that are not.

Breaking the server rules in your example is always malicious, therefore, there are rules against it.

See how it works now?
 
Welcome to the real world

No, I live in the real world, you're talking about SoD.

There is something called a reputation, and you build one as you play. If you guild hop it will be known. Justice is served inheritably,
In what way has justice ever been served?

Training a raid is not something facilitated by the victim, but a choice of the guy that does it. Therefore gm's can intervene. Allowing someone into your guild who turns out to be a cheat, although unfortunate, is brought on by the person/people who invited him.
BS

This is one of the whiny-est threads of late.
Seems pretty weird telling someone who wants to preserve the challenge in a game, that they are whining. I think it's more likely that you are the whiner for defending the cheats.

you seem to expect the staff to be able to discern peoples motives so... the same way?
The staff can act on hindsight. I shouldn't have to explain that.

nope, it's awful
Nope, it's not.

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if this is your actual position, then a MUCH better way of enforcing it than banning people who join more than one guild would be to make it illegal to share your account info. I still disagree, but it is a lot less stupid.
It's not about joining more than one guild. Plenty of people have been in at least one or two guilds before finding one that suits them. Or perhaps they outgrew one guild and moved to a stronger one.

That's a lot different to what I described though.

Yes, it is different. It is very different.
How?

Furthermore, you dont know another persons motives, and there could be hundreds of reasons they would leave a higher tier guild.
That's a fair point, although I still think it's pretty clear when someone has deliberately abused another guild's trust and done something shady. And either way, it still doesn't stop there being a rule about hopping from higher to lower tiers. Perhaps if there was a rule about it, people would be more careful about joining a high tier guild.

The fact is though, most guilds will take people on as an applicant so the person has PLENTY of time to work out if they like the guild. If they wait until they got everything they want before moving, then that's different. If this was Live then there isn't a whole lot that you could do. On a private server though, where nobody actually pays to play, you can ban whoever you want for whatever reason you want.

Breaking the server rules in your example is always malicious, therefore, there are rules against it.
Maliciously guild hopping is malicious too. And anyway, being malicious isn't a requirement for something being a rule.
 
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It is apparent you are not actually listening, and you purposefully left out quoting the parts that explained what you asked about the parts you did quote.

Good job. I'm pretty much done addressing you in this thread, since you don't want to hear it.
 
No I didn't, I just cut what you said up in to bite sized chunks.

We can end it there though if you like, but I am assuming you don't want to address me because you actually agree with me deep down, but you just don't want to admit it for some reason.
 
We can end it there though if you like, but I am assuming you don't want to address me because you actually agree with me deep down, but you just don't want to admit it for some reason.

She doesn't want to argue with you any more because you aren't listening or don't comprehend the posts that have been made in response to you. Either way you're an idiot and aren't worth more time. :toot:
 
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