Warriors the defunct SOD class

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SyncMizer

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Ok, so I've played the warrior for a year or so I guess. Hes 65 with 100+AAs. Mostly DM plate, the best I could buy for him. I've felt this same way about the warrior class since starting to play it on SOD. I've posted a few threads asking for advice and waited to see if things would improve.

My beef with the class on SOD:- combine the points. Please don't isolate the numbers, 1 to 4 = my result.

1. - Every guild I have been in/know already have a main warrior/pally tank that they log in for raids & groups. Sometimes the original account holder quit playing years ago, sometimes not.
2. - DM Plate is near as good as you can buy for cash without getting raid gear. And I must have spent i.r.o 30k on the stuff. The result is far below the gear looted on mid-tier raids.
3. - Warrior DPS sucks period. Way below that on Live. Also, they have no roots, heals, buffs, stuns, blinds, rezs, harm touches, SSS HP buffs, FD pulling skills that would make them attractive to a group/raid if they are not Main tanking.
4 - On small 18 man raids like those on SOD. One warrior is enough. A Raid leader will want to place any other class in place of a second warrior if he/she can.

NET RESULT. Guilds NEVER seem to want another tank if they have one. Which they all do already.

CONCLUSION. Don't make a warrior. They totally suck on SOD and I'm fresh out of ideas what to do with the character after 1000's of hours of play time. Please could a DEV turn the warrior in another class for me, (I'm serious!)

MY OPINION. Do something with Warriors that are pre-raid geared, otherwise its a dead end. Maybe give them /s 10 for long periods as a 12 point AA. Like a Berserker, i.e an option to drop their tanking abilties and up DPS or something. Not the gimp /s 10 that lasts 20 seconds or whatever. Up their DPS. Give them a decent sword or something that doesn't require a high tier raid to get it. I have a pile of low tier raid swords, where I managed to beg my warrior onto the raid, as they had no other class that wanted it. They are all low ratio DPS weapons. I started this warrior as a main, but developing any other character seems easier imo. And my other character did develop, not through my choice. But because Warriors are a problem on SOD.
 
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Alot of main warriors for guilds are currently not being played by their original creator thats true. Warriors are supposed to be the lowest dps tank class and they shouldnt become high dps chars since tanking is what they do. Currently the only option for new warriors is to get into a new guild to become Main Tank. I dont think they will become a class people want more then 1 on a raid of anytime but there are alot of classes that are like that so there is not much wrong with that. Creating better non raidable gear wont solve anything that would only make more starting raid tiers skippable.

Maybe create your own guild.. I know more warriors that did that.
 
Getting into a New Guild

Unfortunately getting into a New guild who have No Main Tank already is not an option. I developed this character in such a guild. The guild was founded by a would be warrior. Interestingly he didn't seem to be able to develop his warrior either; and now he plays a monk! So to address your point -"Starting Raid Tiers" is not possible.

I've seen players on SOD stop playing DHK/POA raid geared tanks completely and start new classes because nobody wants Warriors. My main has become a Cleric. I heal Beastlord pets with seemingly more HP's and far better DPS than my 100AA Warrior with the best armour cash can buy. The beastlord can just /afk leaving the pet on guard, and still do a better job than the warrior. Monks make almost equally good tanks, they can bring the mobs one by one and out DPS the warrior many times over.

I stand by my original point. Warriors on SOD are a relic class from the 'other' game. Where on a 60 man raid you could afford to have maybe 4-5 warrriors on the raid. They need new and different options such a switch into a DPS-berserker mode or similar in SOD which is not the same as Live. Give them a beserker switch and make them high DPS then people would bring them on raids. Since they can't FD pull they should still be able to out tank a monk but should do the same DPS. Seems fair to me.

They are a dead end class currently and something should be done about them.
 
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yeah, making a warrior is almost pointless unless you are going to make a new guild or are re-rolling one for your current guild.

there is utility for having another warrior on a raid; they can /shield and give extra AC to the MT.

Also, don't forget that warriors are by far the best mitigation class on SoD.
 
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Option to switch

Perhaps those of us who have poured many hours of life into making Warriors could be offered a /cm character_change option. Because I'm really out of bright ideas on what to do with this cookie.

There could be a warning given on the loading screen at character creation for new players. The warrior wasn't my first character, in fact its my third. But it took lvl 65 & some time to realize how problematic the class is on SOD.
 
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i think its a flaw in the vary game itself coulda easily not had a warrior in ********* at all so what if they are the best tanks at mitgation if they dont get group/raids i say give the mitgation to the knights and reroll the entire warrior class ;)
 
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Perhaps those of us who have poured many hours of life into making Warriors could be offered a /cm character_change option. Because I'm really out of bright ideas on what to do with this cookie.

There could be a warning given on the loading screen at character creation for new players. The warrior wasn't my first character in fact its my third, but it took lvl 65 & some time to realize how problematic the class is on SOD.
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even if they were to do something like that i see no reason for them letting you keep any of your gear/items/bags/ and you would have to buy all your spells from 1-65 (or they could be really mean about it and tell you to delete your char and reroll as whatever you want)
 
Re-roll

Yes, I'd love a re-roll.

You make a good point ---"so what if they are the best tanks at mitgation if they dont get group/raids"

If you are a kind Dev. and reading this. Please let me roll at new class; and then doctor the XP in the database so that he levels to 65 with the AAs. As for the weeks of work farming for DM Plate, well it really hurts to say it, but I'd be willing to lose it all for a book of spells and a new character.
 
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New character

I can see that it was foolish to discuss new characters. I don't want this to detract from the points I have tried to make. I only made the request to illustrate out how disappointing it is to get to such a dead end with a character.

I remember a Topic a long time back similar to this one. Someone denying that a problem even existed with the warrior class. BUT IT DOES EXIST. If your a new player creating a warrior your mostly likely going to be disappointed due to the way that SOD is structured. I think it about time somebody made the point as apparent in argument as it is in reality. As someone else pointed out I think - Why not just remove the warrior class altogether and give the SKs the extra mitigation?

As matters stand currently; warriors, which are usually a central-character model are not a good choice.
 
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The only problem with the warrior class is that every guild only needs 1 and the positions are perpetually filled. I have always thought this is a problem unique only to warriors and is a major flaw in the system of SoD
 
well you could say that a raid only wants 1 enchanter aswell and 1 shd and more the thing is with all the other classes guilds will easier recruit a new one when there old one stops playing then with a warrior. This is ofcourse that a new enchanter would not put back a guild much if at all while if you take a new Main Tank (warrior) you would likely drop a few tiers. This is why you see old warriors being reused over and over.
 
The problem is unlike the fixes to stabilize the economy and force goods and plat out, there has never been a fix to shitcan all the worthless bots that pile up on the server. And since characters can just be handed down over and over again, the top of the game is flooded with so many of every class. For warriors who are all but worthless unless MT (oh sorry you can be a MT's shield I guess), it's pointless to even play them and hope to have much of a chance to progress post 65.

With paladins and SK's around they should have just ditched warriors all together and tweaked the knight classes.
 
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1. - Every guild I have been in/know already have a main warrior/pally tank that they log in for raids & groups. Sometimes the original account holder quit playing years ago, sometimes not.
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Every existing raiding guild has a MT, true. However, there are sometimes new entry-tier guilds created, and most of the time they will require a new MT, not adopting an existing warrior (I'm not including the perpetually-remade higher tier guilds which are collections of higher-tier characters.) That is where entry-tier warriors must find their opportunity.

Also, look at how many AAs those existing warriors have. You cannot expect to replace one of those warriors when you only have 100AAs. It's just not enough for a warrior. You need around 400AAs to be a decent raiding warrior.

2. - DM Plate is near as good as you can buy for cash without getting raid gear. And I must have spent i.r.o 30k on the stuff. The result is far below the gear looted on mid-tier raids.
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As it should be. If you can buy your way past raid tiers, why have them? If you want the equipment that mid-tier raiding provides, you have to put in the work raiding to get there. This goes back to the point about finding or creating an entry-tier raiding guild, and not trying to fit in to an existing guild above your tier.

3. - Warrior DPS sucks period. Way below that on Live. Also, they have no roots, heals, buffs, stuns, blinds, rezs, harm touches, SSS HP buffs, FD pulling skills that would make them attractive to a group/raid if they are not Main tanking.
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They can shield, they can offtank, they can auxtank, they can ramptank, they can take more damage than any other class before they die. But yes, Main tanking is pretty much what they do. That is their "thing", and that is what they are useful for.

4 - On small 18 man raids like those on SOD. One warrior is enough. A Raid leader will want to place any other class in place of a second warrior if he/she can.
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The same can be said for Enchanters, Shadowknights, Paladins, and to varying lesser extents Shaman, Mages, and even Bards.

Is there as much demand in SoD for Warriors as other classes? No. Are they useless and should be removed? Absolutely not.

Edit: And no, you're not going to be able to change your class and carry over anything. If you want to start a new class, you'll have to do that from scratch.
 
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Warrior is much less useful in group and solo situations than the classes you have mentioned. My warrior solo just about stands toe to toe with a Light blue Kobold Clansman, its pathetic! He may mitigate damage, but he's a tank. Useless for anything else at all. This is not the case with SKs & ENCs.

Raids are where a warrior should shine and they can't because of SODs structure. So as I keep saying the class needs changing.
 
SoD is not designed for soloers. Some classes solo better than others, but that's not how things are balanced here. Again, if you want to solo, play another class.
 
At risk of getting myself jailed!!

All I'm politely saying is that warriors have but one strength as they stand currently. And there is practically no way to utilize it as there is no requirement for them. They need an ongoing use in groups and in raids.

Turn them into switchable Zerkers. Or else I disagree because THEY ARE USELESS and should be dropped. I'm sure the guilds who wheel out these Bots will disagree, but you have to ask what message you want to send to new players.
 
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I disagree because THEY ARE USELESS and should be dropped. I'm sure the guilds who wheel out these Bots will disagree, but you have to ask what message you want to send to new players.
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Dude seriously put the time your putting in this post in making your new character cause dropping warrior wont happen and shouldn't happen, cause no not all warriors are bots.
 
No offense buddy... but this starts to sound more and more like a personal grudge against Warriors now because you made one and after 65 levels and 100 aa's you found out that you are useless.

Get over it. Start anew and as Ratkon said, time spend in this topic could have been time spend leveling!
 
Man this thread is terribly clamml-esque. If you give warriors a dps mode, what the fudge are you going to do to compensate all the rogues, rangers, monks and such that you are encroaching on.

Useless for anything else at all. This is not the case with SKs & ENCs.
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lol.

It sounds like you did not ask anything of dalayas beginners when you rolled a warrior under the assumption that everything would be dandy. If you had asked anyone even in ooc you would have gotten the inevitable message about being a warrior with the idea of forming a guild. Every point you have made outside 3, is basically moot.

1) So, they put effort into gearing a maintank and it is assumed they would want to continue his legacy rather then backfarm another one and pay for his charm?

2) There is better purchasable gear then DM, even then DM is stupidly good. A few years back we did not have deepmetal and I assure you it was far harder.

3) Solo rogues suck too.

4) As stated this is basically the same for shadowknights , shamans , enchanters ~
 
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