Warrior stamina generation

G

Gawain

Dalayan Elder
Warriors don't deal with stamina loss. They deal with stamina generation. See Jumber's stated effect of stamina spells and worn effects on warriors:

[Fri Sep 27 20:55:48 2013] Admin-Slaar BROADCASTS, 'How does invigorate and Acumen Affect warrior endurAnce since they provide sta regen and warriors generate stamina etc etc?'
[Fri Sep 27 20:56:29 2013] Admin-Woldo BROADCASTS, 'That is not actually how stamina spells work.'
[Fri Sep 27 20:56:44 2013] Admin-Woldo BROADCASTS, 'They do not regenerate stamina, they take a &PCT; off of each tick of stamina drained.'
[Fri Sep 27 20:56:54 2013] Admin-Woldo BROADCASTS, 'So they make you lose stamina less quickly, which helps out everyone.'
[Fri Sep 27 20:57:51 2013] Admin-Woldo BROADCASTS, 'Actually that might not be the case for warriors.'
[Fri Sep 27 20:57:56 2013] Admin-Woldo BROADCASTS, 'Jumbers going to weigh in.'
[Fri Sep 27 20:58:12 2013] You[JUMBERS] broadcast, 'For warriors, stamina regeneration spells such as acumen increase the rate at which you gain endurance from combat, so having more will make your bar fill faster'
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So I did testing today on warrior stamina generation with the following stamina related combinations:
No effects
Only worn acumen (item description decrease stamina loss by 5 percent)
Only worn Super acumen (item description decrease stamina loss by 8 percent)
Only Spell: Ancient: Sihala's Gift (spell parser description decrease stamina loss by 35)
Worn acumen + worn super acumen
Worn acumen + Sihala's
Worn super acumen + Sihala's
Worn acumen + worn super acumen + Sihala's

Here is the data:
Code: 
Buffs on entire test: Relic focus, Raego, SSS, GoE, Rbow, relic: Legacy of blades.
Weapons: Unarmed
Against mob: a cave wyrm in Great Divide

no worn acumen
no worn super acumen
no sihala
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:35 2015] Gwaine has 1445 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:36 2015] Gwaine has 1522 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:37 2015] Gwaine has 1599 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:38 2015] Gwaine has 1676 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:39 2015] Gwaine has 1753 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:41 2015] Gwaine has 1830 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:42 2015] Gwaine has 1984 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:43 2015] Gwaine has 2061 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:45 2015] Gwaine has 2215 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:46 2015] Gwaine has 2292 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:48 2015] Gwaine has 2369 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:49 2015] Gwaine has 2446 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:51 2015] Gwaine has 2600 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:52 2015] Gwaine has 2754 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:54 2015] Gwaine has 2831 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:55 2015] Gwaine has 2908 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:56 2015] Gwaine has 2985 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:57 2015] Gwaine has 3062 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:58 2015] Gwaine has 3139 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:59:59 2015] Gwaine has 3216 / 3420 stamina.
Verdict: gaining approximately 77/second

Yes worn acumen
no super acumen
no sihala
[Sat Mar 14 13:01:59 2015] Gwaine has 1615 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:00 2015] Gwaine has 1694 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:01 2015] Gwaine has 1773 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:02 2015] Gwaine has 1852 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:03 2015] Gwaine has 1931 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:04 2015] Gwaine has 2010 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:05 2015] Gwaine has 2089 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:07 2015] Gwaine has 2168 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:07 2015] Gwaine has 2247 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:08 2015] Gwaine has 2326 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:10 2015] Gwaine has 2405 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:11 2015] Gwaine has 2484 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:12 2015] Gwaine has 2563 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:13 2015] Gwaine has 2642 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:14 2015] Gwaine has 2800 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:15 2015] Gwaine has 2879 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:17 2015] Gwaine has 2958 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:18 2015] Gwaine has 3037 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:19 2015] Gwaine has 3116 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:02:20 2015] Gwaine has 3195 / 3445 stamina.
Verdict: gaining approximately 79/second

No worn acumen
Yes super acumen
No sihala
[Sat Mar 14 13:05:41 2015] Gwaine has 1458 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:05:42 2015] Gwaine has 1538 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:05:44 2015] Gwaine has 1618 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:05:45 2015] Gwaine has 1698 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:05:46 2015] Gwaine has 1778 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:05:47 2015] Gwaine has 1858 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:05:48 2015] Gwaine has 1938 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:05:49 2015] Gwaine has 2098 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:05:52 2015] Gwaine has 2258 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:05:53 2015] Gwaine has 2338 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:05:54 2015] Gwaine has 2418 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:05:55 2015] Gwaine has 2498 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:05:57 2015] Gwaine has 2658 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:05:58 2015] Gwaine has 2738 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:05:59 2015] Gwaine has 2818 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:06:00 2015] Gwaine has 2898 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:06:01 2015] Gwaine has 2978 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:06:03 2015] Gwaine has 3058 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:06:04 2015] Gwaine has 3138 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:06:05 2015] Gwaine has 3218 / 3445 stamina.
Verdict: gaining approximately 80/second

Yes worn acumen
yes super acumen
no sihala
[Sat Mar 14 13:07:44 2015] Gwaine has 1538 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:07:45 2015] Gwaine has 1618 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:07:46 2015] Gwaine has 1698 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:07:47 2015] Gwaine has 1778 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:07:48 2015] Gwaine has 1858 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:07:49 2015] Gwaine has 1938 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:07:51 2015] Gwaine has 2018 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:07:52 2015] Gwaine has 2098 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:07:53 2015] Gwaine has 2178 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:07:54 2015] Gwaine has 2338 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:07:55 2015] Gwaine has 2418 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:07:57 2015] Gwaine has 2498 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:07:59 2015] Gwaine has 2658 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:08:00 2015] Gwaine has 2738 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:08:01 2015] Gwaine has 2818 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:08:02 2015] Gwaine has 2898 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:08:04 2015] Gwaine has 3058 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:08:05 2015] Gwaine has 3138 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:08:07 2015] Gwaine has 3218 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 13:08:08 2015] Gwaine has 3298 / 3445 stamina.
Verdict: gaining approximately 80/second

No worn acumen.
no worn super acumen
Yes sihala
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:10 2015] Gwaine has 1491 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:11 2015] Gwaine has 1580 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:12 2015] Gwaine has 1669 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:13 2015] Gwaine has 1758 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:14 2015] Gwaine has 1847 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:15 2015] Gwaine has 1936 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:16 2015] Gwaine has 2025 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:17 2015] Gwaine has 2114 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:20 2015] Gwaine has 2381 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:21 2015] Gwaine has 2470 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:22 2015] Gwaine has 2559 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:24 2015] Gwaine has 2648 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:27 2015] Gwaine has 2915 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:28 2015] Gwaine has 3004 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:30 2015] Gwaine has 3182 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:31 2015] Gwaine has 3271 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:34 2015] Gwaine has 3420 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:35 2015] Gwaine has 3420 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:36 2015] Gwaine has 3420 / 3420 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:46:37 2015] Gwaine has 3420 / 3420 stamina.
Verdict: gaining approximately 89/second

Yes worn acumen
No worn super acumen
Yes sihala
[Sat Mar 14 12:47:49 2015] Gwaine has 1412 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:47:51 2015] Gwaine has 1503 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:47:52 2015] Gwaine has 1594 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:47:53 2015] Gwaine has 1685 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:47:53 2015] Gwaine has 1776 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:47:54 2015] Gwaine has 1867 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:47:55 2015] Gwaine has 1958 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:47:56 2015] Gwaine has 2049 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:47:57 2015] Gwaine has 2049 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:47:58 2015] Gwaine has 2140 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:47:59 2015] Gwaine has 2231 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:48:01 2015] Gwaine has 2413 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:48:01 2015] Gwaine has 2413 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:48:02 2015] Gwaine has 2504 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:48:03 2015] Gwaine has 2595 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:48:04 2015] Gwaine has 2686 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:48:05 2015] Gwaine has 2777 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:48:06 2015] Gwaine has 2868 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:48:07 2015] Gwaine has 2959 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:48:08 2015] Gwaine has 3050 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:48:10 2015] Gwaine has 3141 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:48:11 2015] Gwaine has 3232 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:48:12 2015] Gwaine has 3414 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:48:13 2015] Gwaine has 3445 / 3445 stamina.
Verdict: gaining approximately 91/second

No worn acumen
Yes worn Super Acumen
Yes Sihala
[Sat Mar 14 12:49:54 2015] Gwaine has 1562 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:49:55 2015] Gwaine has 1654 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:49:56 2015] Gwaine has 1746 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:49:58 2015] Gwaine has 1838 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:00 2015] Gwaine has 2022 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:01 2015] Gwaine has 2114 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:02 2015] Gwaine has 2206 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:03 2015] Gwaine has 2298 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:05 2015] Gwaine has 2482 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:06 2015] Gwaine has 2574 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:08 2015] Gwaine has 2666 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:09 2015] Gwaine has 2850 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:11 2015] Gwaine has 3034 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:12 2015] Gwaine has 3126 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:13 2015] Gwaine has 3218 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:14 2015] Gwaine has 3310 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:15 2015] Gwaine has 3402 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:16 2015] Gwaine has 3445 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:17 2015] Gwaine has 3445 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:50:19 2015] Gwaine has 3445 / 3445 stamina.
Verdict: Gaining approximately 92/second

Yes worn acumen
Yes worn super acumen
Yes worn sihala
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:06 2015] Gwaine has 1562 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:07 2015] Gwaine has 1654 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:08 2015] Gwaine has 1746 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:09 2015] Gwaine has 1838 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:10 2015] Gwaine has 1930 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:11 2015] Gwaine has 2022 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:12 2015] Gwaine has 2114 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:13 2015] Gwaine has 2206 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:16 2015] Gwaine has 2482 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:17 2015] Gwaine has 2574 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:18 2015] Gwaine has 2666 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:19 2015] Gwaine has 2758 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:22 2015] Gwaine has 3034 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:23 2015] Gwaine has 3126 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:24 2015] Gwaine has 3218 / 3445 stamina.
[Sat Mar 14 12:57:25 2015] Gwaine has 3310 / 3445 stamina.
verdict: gaining approximately 92/second

Summary of that:
Baseline of 77 stamina/second
Worn acumen increases to 79/second
Worn Super Acumen increases to 80/second
Sihala increases to 89/second
Sihala + worn acumen increases to 91/second
Sihala + worn super acumen increases to 92/second
Worn acumen + worn super acumen do not stack (expected result).

Take away:
Worn acumen / super acumen percentage increase ignores sihala in the calculation. This is shown by them giving 2 or 3 stamina/second increase regardless of the presence of sihala's.
Worn acumen / super acumen is not giving the 5%/8% increase generation whereas BST/RNG/PAL/SK/ROG theoretically do get 5%/8% less stamina use from the abilities. This may or may not be correct for the other classes and may or may not be intended; a developer would have to weigh in.
5% of my base 77 would be 3.85/second; 5% of the 89 after Sihala's would be 4.45 stamina/second.
8% of my base 77 would be 6.16/second; 8% after the 89 after Sihala's would be 7.12 stamina/second.
35% of my base 77 would be 26.95 stamina/second.

What I'm asking:
Is it intended for Worn Acumen, Super Acumen, and Sihala each to have so little effect for warriors when compared to the numbers on the spell parser?
Is it intended for Worn Acumen / Super Acumen to not take sihala's into consideration if it is indeed a percentage increase for warriors?
 
Unless something has changed, stamina rate reduction effects are and have always been additive, e.g. 35 + 8 = 43%, up to a cap of 50% (not 1.35 * 1.08 = 45.8%). They don't multiply each other's effects.

Other than that, yeah, the effects are intended to be "less" for warriors in as much as it doesn't apply to the whole delta value (change per second)... and in as much as the two rather different systems are the same.

While in combat, Warriors get:
* 1% of their total endurance per second.
* Up to 0.5% of their total endurance per second from stamina rate effects (50% => 0.5%, 35% => 0.35%, etc).
* 0.25% of their total endurance per second for having Codex of Melee Discipline completed.
* 1% of their total endurance per second while they are keeping something's aggro.
* Up to 0.5% of their total endurance per second for keeping aggro on additional targets (0.25% per, 2 additional targets max)
* +1 flat endurance per crit.

For example:
1% of 3420 endurance would be 34.2
0.35% of 3420 endurance (Sihala's) would be 11.97 => 34.2 + 11.97 = 46.17
Assuming you had aggro while testing, that would be another 34.2 => 46.17 + 34.2 = 80.37
An extra 0.25% for tome on top of that would be 8.55 => 80.37 + 8.55 = 88.92
At this point it would get truncated down to 88 since current endurance is stored as an integer with no rounding up and no overflow component.

If you just look at it in terms of how much it modifies the entire value, 0.5% might not seem like much. But with 2% as the "baseline" while tanking, the difference between no stamina rate effects and the cap of 0.5% is filling up your bar in 50 seconds versus filling it up in 40 seconds (100 / total%; 44.4 versus 36.36 seconds with tome -- the lower your total%, the more every little bit counts in absolute terms).
 
Awesome reply. Thank you Zaela. Having the numbers and calculation explained for the warrior system is a huge help.
 
I feel like there is also a sudden burst of endurance (5%? 10%?) you get for peeling aggro off of someone else (with a cooldown to prevent abuse) but I can't seem to find it...

But in any case, the idea was to reward warriors more for doing warrior stuff (tanking, fighting continuously) than for having certain buffs.
 
Zaela said:
I feel like there is also a sudden burst of endurance (5%? 10%?) you get for peeling aggro off of someone else (with a cooldown to prevent abuse) but I can't seem to find it...
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I'll try to remember to test this. Wouldn't be hard to see.
 
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