Otcho
Dalayan Pious Diety
Poor formatting ahoy!! Scroll down to the final wall of words if you want to see what this is about without reading a bunch of qq.
Currently shadowknights have a plethora of taps and recourses at levels 50+ however there would seem to be quite a bit of redundancy and some of them are flat out not working as originally intended.
Lets go on and list the recourse debuffs from 53 and above:
These three spells are the biggest offenders in the tap line up, they are basically in the same form as their live counterparts (afaik, fatique has been changed to provide stamina regen) The same mana cost, same effects, same resist checks. However in live the recourses were provided to the group. A very old thread references to this but apparently little came of it:
http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/showthread.php?t=4411
http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/showpost.php?p=47570&postcount=18 (Another post hinting that at some point they did work)
So it has either been broken for a very long time or they were some point reverted to being shadowknight only. According to lolparser they are supposed to be group recourse still, the spells land on my shadowknights pet but flat out fail to hit any group member. They are slightly higher in the effects provided then the previous forms (Shroud of hate/pain) but they simply dont function, unless there is some hidden agenda by the devs to block shadowknights from providing ac/atk to the group
At 60+ you recieve 3 new taps:
Curse of years(FUNCTIONING group stamina/str tap)
Shroud of Nigtmares(self ac/atk tap)
Vortex of death(Functioning group mana/hp tap)
Now after making this way to long post lets get to the meat of this:
The original 3 group taps(Torrents) do not work properly.
One of them (torrent of fatique) is more or less replaced by the equally useless and mana intensive curse of years. If you can even find me one person who actually uses this for its stat gain then please let me know, as it stands it provides 40 str/stamina over 6 minutes for 320mana. On top of that it has no resist adjust meaning you can flat out fail the check and have lost a nice chunk of mana.
Shroud of nightmares is a minor improvement over the torrents (ac/atk wise), it condenses them into one spell slot which is great however it shares the same burdens as curse of years that in which it costs a significant amount of mana (285) and is still easily resisted.
Vortex of death is basically the only redeeming spell in a shadowknights roster(as far as recourses go) It provides 35 hp a tick and 15 mana a tick over 2 minutes for (275 mana). By casting it you gain 25 mana if the spell remains on the shadowknight the entire duration (assuming its not mitigated by some other mechanic)
It too however has some nasty issues attached:
1) It is completely useless for any class that does not revolve around mana and eats one of their buffslots(argggh). Which can prevent a number of things depending on the circumstances(Ashpyre, BP procs, Rune , giantkin the list goes on)
2) It ruins any mages elemental form.
There is no way to win when it comes to casting this spell, someone somewhere is going to be unhappy when you do it.
Where am I going with this? Tl;dr:
The key issue here is the fact that vortex is a nice buff but it is a hassle for everyone in the raid outside healers/casters, by adding ac/atk you atleast provide some reason for tanks and melee to retain it and not be completely inconvenienced by it taking a spell slot.
I dont know much about spell mechanics/stacking issues but if it could be fixed for mages as well it would be sweet.
Currently shadowknights have a plethora of taps and recourses at levels 50+ however there would seem to be quite a bit of redundancy and some of them are flat out not working as originally intended.
Lets go on and list the recourse debuffs from 53 and above:
Torrent of hate (Level 54 ATK Tap)
Torrent of pain(Level 56 AC tap)
Torrent of fatique (Level 58 str/stam tap with minor stamina regen)
These three spells are the biggest offenders in the tap line up, they are basically in the same form as their live counterparts (afaik, fatique has been changed to provide stamina regen) The same mana cost, same effects, same resist checks. However in live the recourses were provided to the group. A very old thread references to this but apparently little came of it:
http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/showthread.php?t=4411
http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/showpost.php?p=47570&postcount=18 (Another post hinting that at some point they did work)
So it has either been broken for a very long time or they were some point reverted to being shadowknight only. According to lolparser they are supposed to be group recourse still, the spells land on my shadowknights pet but flat out fail to hit any group member. They are slightly higher in the effects provided then the previous forms (Shroud of hate/pain) but they simply dont function, unless there is some hidden agenda by the devs to block shadowknights from providing ac/atk to the group
At 60+ you recieve 3 new taps:
Curse of years(FUNCTIONING group stamina/str tap)
Shroud of Nigtmares(self ac/atk tap)
Vortex of death(Functioning group mana/hp tap)
Now after making this way to long post lets get to the meat of this:
The original 3 group taps(Torrents) do not work properly.
One of them (torrent of fatique) is more or less replaced by the equally useless and mana intensive curse of years. If you can even find me one person who actually uses this for its stat gain then please let me know, as it stands it provides 40 str/stamina over 6 minutes for 320mana. On top of that it has no resist adjust meaning you can flat out fail the check and have lost a nice chunk of mana.
Shroud of nightmares is a minor improvement over the torrents (ac/atk wise), it condenses them into one spell slot which is great however it shares the same burdens as curse of years that in which it costs a significant amount of mana (285) and is still easily resisted.
Vortex of death is basically the only redeeming spell in a shadowknights roster(as far as recourses go) It provides 35 hp a tick and 15 mana a tick over 2 minutes for (275 mana). By casting it you gain 25 mana if the spell remains on the shadowknight the entire duration (assuming its not mitigated by some other mechanic)
It too however has some nasty issues attached:
1) It is completely useless for any class that does not revolve around mana and eats one of their buffslots(argggh). Which can prevent a number of things depending on the circumstances(Ashpyre, BP procs, Rune , giantkin the list goes on)
2) It ruins any mages elemental form.
There is no way to win when it comes to casting this spell, someone somewhere is going to be unhappy when you do it.
Where am I going with this? Tl;dr:
- Add the effects of torrent of pain/hate(or the values of shroud of nightmares, who cares) onto vortex of death and increase its mana cost to over 300 to prevent the shadowknight from having no expense for its cast and the general buff to the spell.
- Possibly remove the original three torrent taps, the usefulness of them at that level is not even debatable.
- Possibly drop shroud of nightmares to a lower level(55?) to make up for the loss of the original torrents.
The key issue here is the fact that vortex is a nice buff but it is a hassle for everyone in the raid outside healers/casters, by adding ac/atk you atleast provide some reason for tanks and melee to retain it and not be completely inconvenienced by it taking a spell slot.
I dont know much about spell mechanics/stacking issues but if it could be fixed for mages as well it would be sweet.
