Vile Herald of the Conduit

Moraelintz

Moraelintz

Dalayan Elder
http://wiki.shardsofdalaya.com/index.php/Vile_Herald_of_the_Conduit

I really like the idea of a short cast time but long recast time items. It is very difficult for this item to finish casting before getting interrupted. It would allow the clickie to be used more often if it was 1.0 or 1.5s cast time and then 3-5 minute recast or something like that. Maybe if you want to reduce some of the dmg that would be fine to in order to make it more usable when getting beat in the face.
 
no this change would be bad for every class except shadowknight and a shadowknight would use the hat regardless. i think this post is bad and you should feel bad
 
its like asking for rujik hat to be made instant cast with a 5 minute cooldown because i cant use it on my monk and not miss melee rounds AKA a selfish thing that nerfs other classes a lot
 
It would be more used on almost every class. 6.5s cast will not be used between cooldowns. Thus mainly useful on a toon that either doesnt get a pbae or when the toons are oom. It would be more dps t0 cast almost any normal spell on the casters that can use it than click the hat. The only one I am not sure of would be the bard and beast. Maybe the enchanter depending what is going on. A shorter cast time with a recst will allow more usefulness for almost everyone on the hat.
 
Most classes are in the 800 dps + at the tier to get the hat. Minus beastlords and shamans, in 6.5s that would be 5300 dm in the time to click the hat. Assuming no crits an average dmg from the hat is about 750 or 4500 dmg. Thus unless they are oom it is better to just not click the hat.
 
Funny this is brought up right after I said something about the MielD hat not being instant cast. I agree with you Moraelin. I dont see why having a shorter cast is a bad thing at all, and if it's such a big deal add those few seconds onto the cool down. Tevinter saying this change would be bad for everyone is just silly and wrong imo. Lower cast time means it can be integrated between spells/ skills much more easily than a clunky 6.5 second cast time. You also gave no real reason as to why the change would be bad, and kind of trailed off into saying other things should be changed because your Monk can't use them. I'd really like to hear what actual argument there is to having the cast time lowered, and just added to the recast.
 
Okay so the item has really good stats and a good focus effect. If it was meant to be a DPS upgrade it would be faster cast, or more damage or something else like that. But its not, and it shouldnt be. Its a mana free nuke with no cooldown that you can click from inventory. Literally every class but shadowknight can use the clicky and benefit from it, maybe not wizards. Giving it a cooldown over 12 seconds would not be good for the item because it provides consistent mana free dps. If you think that this hat should be changed, then you would also agree that rujik hat should be changed because it is a downgrade to wizard DPS over casting moon comet. Of course a mana free clicky with no cool down is going to be less dps than casting a spell like i cant even believe you are trying to use that as an argument what the fuck.

If the dev who made this item intended it to be cast inbetween spells as a DPS upgrade it would probably be that way, instead its an active choice of spending mana to DPS or not spending mana to do DPS. It not even like this item is balanced around the clicky being a DPS upgrade like taeshlin ring, this item would get used regardless of if it had a clicky or not. If you cant see why this item having a 3 to 5 minute cooldown would be bad for most classes then I dont know if I even want to keep posting in this thread.

As for my 2nd post Vitali, this thread is the equivalent of me making a thread asking rujik hat to be instant cast and 5 minute cooldown because I want to use it on my monk. A change that hurts more classes than it helps, and a thread made because I want to click an item that has a clicky that is better for classes other than mine
 
omg dont give this hat a 3-5 min cd wtf? a short cd 1 min max and 1sec or instant cast time would be kinda cool, but wtf a 3-5 min cd. as it stands classes that dont get pbaoes or just do shit dps anyways use this had alot. if we are fighting more then 4 mobs i just chain click this cauase its much higher dps then the beastlord can do and my pets still attacking... so ya what tev said, buff for 1 class nerf for another.
 
My argument all around was that I think it's silly to have long cast times on items like this, MeilD hat, and even Rujik hat. Low or instant cast doesn't hurt anyone, and helps everyone. Adding the cast time on to the back end of the hat doesn't seem to me an end all thing, and allows everyone to use it easily. Not to mention instant cast means that not only can everyone use it, no matter their role, but it can be used between spell casts (although the point was made that it may not be what was intended for it). The difference between 6.5 sec cast and no recast, and instant cast + 6.5-10sec recast BUT allowing a spell to be cast or melee rounds to be done should be pretty minimal.
 
This clicky really was not supposed to be universally useful to everyone, in fact it was supposed to be pretty niche in its uses and is mainly on there for flavor. Honestly having too many items with short cast times and long cool downs can be problematic since it would encourage (even more) some pretty awful gameplay mechanics of swapping in a bunch of items midfight to use their clicky and then put on your real gear. Even if you don't need to equip them for the clicky, that's just giving the players more power for absolutely no reason, this item is already plenty good as is.
 
this guy is too busy getting kicked out of diablo 3 guilds and doing hardcore in a softcore guild.
 
Marza played some Rift with me, but someone kicked him from our guild. Then everything fell apart. Then I came back to play this.
 
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