Trolls XP Penalty

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neonovas

Dalayan Adventurer
I've always wondered what exactly they got that made them get his with the -2.5% XP?

Infravision
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Regeneration
-25% Duration to Fear targeting the player
-25% Duration to Stun targeting the player
-2.5% Experience Rate
-10% Skill Learning Rate [Does not affect tradeskills
edit: -20 FR also
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They dont get anything that good. Best is probably the stun/fear duration decrease but ogres/barbs get that and they dont lose any xp just eat more food and are blind, neither of which is a big deal at all past lv20-30 or so.
 
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I think it was just laziness on the vendor's part. "Ok, we'll just blend troll attributes from the other two eee-vil races.""

Look at the elves. Elves were designed between 2 and 2:30 friday afternoon and the coder took the rest of the afternoon off.
 
Yeah and 2 (vision/regen) of those positives aren't worth the xp hit at all.
The other 3 are shared by Barbs and Ogres who get shitty vision and eat more food, nothing compared to permanently needing 2.5% XP.
 
In generally accepted fantasy worlds, trolls are not that bright, and are susceptible to fire. In fact, the only way to kill them is with fire. So while you cant make an invincible race that can only be killed with fire and have it be balanced in an mmorpg, you do things like give FR a hit, and give xp gain a penalty.
 
Couldn't they be just a little bit invincible? Slightly less vincible than a gnome at least.
 
The -20FR is way worse than the -2.5% exp rate. The exp penalty if very minor, but I do agree that trolls don't really get enough to even have an exp penalty.
 
Ikaa|LoveYums said:
In generally accepted fantasy worlds, trolls are not that bright, and are susceptible to fire. In fact, the only way to kill them is with fire. So while you cant make an invincible race that can only be killed with fire and have it be balanced in an mmorpg, you do things like give FR a hit, and give xp gain a penalty.
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yeah it makes total sense RP wise. But looking at their racials they dont really get anything good to make up for the -2.5% XP and -20FR (i was lazy and checked the wiki instead of the TOK thread). Iksar also get -2.5% XP, but they aren't exactly stupid.
 
This has been brought up alot in the past and almost nothing has changed afaik.

http://forum.shardsofdalaya.com/showthread.php?t=13724

Was always told the reasoning for the experience penalties was due to the regen bonus being badass in the past (this is no longer true)


Trolls get the very short stick, and racial advantages in general are just completely :psyduck:

Maybe instead of the useless regen they could receive like said in that thread, a boost to poison/disease resistance to make up for the fire.
 
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Nodnal said:
The -20FR is way worse than the -2.5% exp rate. The exp penalty if very minor, but I do agree that trolls don't really get enough to even have an exp penalty.
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are you serious? -20FR may suck.. but it can be compensated with gear / aa's ect ....

the exp rate is waaay worse. from level 1 to 65 with 400 aa's not to mention tomes think about how huge an extra 2.5% exp is.
 
In 400aa you lose out on 10aa, that is hardly anything to get worked up over. The fact that you are ALWAYS down 20fr even with said gear means it's something you can NEVER overcome.

If you can't see why it is worse, then I cannot convince you otherwise.

Take it from one of the biggest max/min'ers on the server.
 
I still see very little reason even in terms of rp for most races to be absolutely fucking terrible, while 1 or 2 are awesome.
 
While, all have valid points here, I'm of the opinion that the racial innates far outweigh the slight XP hit (just do the math on how many kills it takes, on average to get a level or AA, and 2.5% more isn't really that much more, and might even take you less, given what the innates might offer you)
 
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I still see very little reason even in terms of rp for most races to be absolutely fucking terrible, while 1 or 2 are awesome.
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QFT-
The experience penalty is a joke, what is terrible is that they have almost nothing GOOD about them and a gross list of penalties for that.

Ogre's have superior stats and none of the down sides.

If you don't realize how nasty a -20 resist is then you have alot to learn about what raiding entails since every fight every has some fire aoe that goes off constantly. Even if it is only a bit, every other race is better then you, with the same gear, you have nothing to show for your trollness.



If you care at all about racial bonuses it basically comes down to
Warrior/SK: Iksar or gtfo
DPS: Gnome or gtfo
shaman : Vah or gtfo
I guess you could also make a statement about paladins being erudite but whatever.

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While, all have valid points here, I'm of the opinion that the racial innates far outweigh the slight XP hit (just do the math on how many kills it takes, on average to get a level or AA, and 2.5% more isn't really that much more, and might even take you less, given what the innates might offer you)
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Are you actually trying to say that trolls have a racial advantage? Because I don't see one.
 
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dongsy said:
Are you actually trying to say that trolls have a racial advantage? Because I don't see one.
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The stun/fear resists are what I'd say are a huge benifit (for tanks, of course, namely MT's on raid mobs). It reduces the agro needed by the tank, on alot of encounters, to be much less, as the agro isn't ping ponging around while the tank is stunned.

Though, I agree that -20fr is pretty huge (not saying it shouldn't be there, given the lore, just that it is indeed big).

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The only racial bonus related to stuns in SoD is the Ogre/Troll/Barbarian reduction in stun duration.
 
Arishkogol said:
The stun/fear resists are what I'd say are a huge benifit (for tanks, of course, namely MT's on raid mobs). It reduces the agro needed by the tank, on alot of encounters, to be much less, as the agro isn't ping ponging around while the tank is stunned.
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Yep, and ogres do not receive a resist penalty , or an experience penalty. They also have superior tank stats to boot. (as said, sorry if I come off snide but lol)

I am just not a huge fan of racial advantages as they are, like said by aisling a few have superior advantages while the rest have extremely mediocre differences and some are just terrible (See: Troll)
 
Barbarians don't exactly have terrible WAR stats and also receive the decreased duration. blind is annoying at lower levels, but its not even a penalty at lv65.


Eating more food or being blind...neither come close to -20FR or -2.5% XP much less both =(
 
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