SK Spell : Soul Shroud (Ikitish stuff)

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Ryei

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Well, i finally got this spell in Ikitish, and i was very happy about it, until i found out that it was just an upgrade from my Cloak of Akheva.

I mean, its a lot better, but still an upgrade from Cloak of Akheva spell... could of just buffed old Cloak spell that was way out of line for been useful in raids, and give us something else.

Then i went to think that maybe the staff didnt do it, and there is something hidden in this spell i couldnt find.

Spell is: 230 HP / 16 AC / and +self DS. (PS:. Pally SSS is 300 HP).

Is there any mitigation buff in it, or +hate that u gain, anything like that?

Thanks for reading; Discuss!
 
SSS is 330.

Soul shroud according to lolspell parser is:
230 hp
See invis
8 ds
58 ac (god knows what this is effectively)'
5% aggression
 
I have no idea what the effective ac equals out to, but if it is 16 (Id be surprised if it is), the ac could probably need an upgrade to even out the extra hp in sss for raidusage.
 
or could it be made automatically sb'd when cast (ie given an sb component? since it's self only and sk's dont get soulbound aa, this would help on fights with dispells and such to allow sk's to keep it instead of sss, and it would make it a huge upgrade compared to previous selfhpbuff).
 
It would be nice if it had an atk component to complement 2hs damage. As it is it looks like you have to make a tough choice between sv, sss, and this spell, and that doesn't seem right for a self-only buff.
 
New version:

shroud of the leech built-in
200 hp
see invis
55 ac
7ds
+5% aggro

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is a downgrade. Built-in shroud of the leech doesn't matter so much in a group or duoing since you can probably spare the slots if you really want it, and it barely matters on a raid where you are not going to have the buff slots to cast it, yet the trade-off was making it worse for raiding.

Question for devs: are you supposed to have to choose between SSS, SV, and this? Do you just want shadowknights to run SSS on raids?
 
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Manguadi said:
New version:

shroud of the leech built-in
200 hp
see invis
55 ac
7ds
+5% aggro

I'm going to go out on a limb and say this is a downgrade. Built-in shroud of the leech doesn't matter so much in a group or duoing since you can probably spare the slots if you really want it, and it barely matters on a raid where you are not going to have the buff slots to cast it, yet the trade-off was making it worse for raiding.

Question for devs: are you supposed to have to choose between SSS, SV, and this? Do you just want shadowknights to run SSS on raids?
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I really love that it got leech added, I really hate that it got made even worse as a tank buff. Your still going to use SSS when it counts. I don't even see the issue with it being comparable to sss hp wise. You would still be forced to use sss during dispelling mobs which is basically what sss has going for it
 
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Manguadi said:
New version:
Question for devs: are you supposed to have to choose between SSS, SV, and this? Do you just want shadowknights to run SSS on raids?
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Yeah, thats what i wonder... i always thought we would benefit more from our SELF buff... not like we can give to everyone like paladins, so why the big deal on not making it worth?
 
Ryei1 said:
Yeah, thats what i wonder... i always thought we would benefit more from our SELF buff... not like we can give to everyone like paladins, so why the big deal on not making it worth?
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Also, maybe this hasn't mattered since live, but Soul Shroud is a much higher level spell than SV and SSS. Like it's barely even a 65 spell; in order to get it you have probably finished doing relics for your guild.
 
Also, sadly, it gets overwritten by everything, so even if you would use it in a raid, you would need to cast it lots of times cuz ppl SV/SSS a lot...

maybe change the +5% agress to +% mitigation? would be more worth useing and make the Paladin/SK tanking gap a bit better, since at this point its just not that big imo.
 
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Past showed that overwriting can be handled and no doubt it will.
Lowering the Hp is a slap to SKs really. Shroud of Leech was a good idea but why at the cost of tanking stats ? I thought they needed some <3 ;.
 
Is this final, or still been looked at? just dont want this subject to die... i hate having to use SSS cuz my self buff isnt decent for raids.
 
Ryei1 said:
Is this final, or still been looked at? just dont want this subject to die... i hate having to use SSS cuz my self buff isnt decent for raids.
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I hate that i have to use SV and SSS also as a ranger.. since my self buff isnt decent for raids either. /boggle
 
LandingSupport said:
I hate that i have to use SV and SSS also as a ranger.. since my self buff isnt decent for raids either. /boggle
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Did you have to invest all the time to get geared enough to do hatesfury successfully and all that entails and then go and grind out all of the refuge quests to buy this? No? /boggle

Its useless for anything but normal experience groups and that's why its bad, we have some of the worst spells available to our class and getting boned on ikisith spells isn't very enjoyable when almost every other class got something of real use.
 
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Otcho said:
Did you have to invest all the time to get geared enough to do hatesfury successfully and all that entails and then go and grind out all of the refuge quests to buy this? No? /boggle

Its useless for anything but normal experience groups and that's why its bad, we have some of the worst spells available to our class and getting boned on ikisith spells isn't very enjoyable when almost every other class got something of real use.
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You dont need hatesfury 6man to get it. All you need is 13k platinum if your guild is under geared or if you dont have the time to farm out the quests. I guess that isnt widely known at this time though. I get that the spell is underpowered when you compare it to SSS (Is 5% increase in agro, 55 AC, 7 ds, and built in lifetap really worth 130hp?) but to say it needs to be upgraded only because its a self buff and there for should be better is just silly. If that was the case then you could make the argument that Warder's Protection needs to be upgraded with +100 hp and +50 atk to bring it in line with SV.
 
LandingSupport said:
You dont need hatesfury 6man to get it. All you need is 13k platinum if your guild is under geared or if you dont have the time to farm out the quests. I guess that isnt widely known at this time though. I get that the spell is underpowered when you compare it to SSS (Is 5% increase in agro, 55 AC, 7 ds, and built in lifetap really worth 130hp?) but to say it needs to be upgraded only because its a self buff and there for should be better is just silly. If that was the case then you could make the argument that Warder's Protection needs to be upgraded with +100 hp and +50 atk to bring it in line with SV.
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Again your ignoring the difference it takes to achieve these spells(compared to dropping 5 plat at level 60), I was unaware you could buy them and thought someone was joking about that but it doesn't change the difference in effort you have to put to get this. The shadowknights job is to tank, this does not help you do it. If you acquire this spell your most likely involved in raiding and 6 man content in which the hp difference from SSS is more valuable. Why give shadowknights an upgrade that has no practical use outside duoing and grinding exp. If a dev wants to come in here and tell me that the ac makes it better than sss or that i should just keep riding paladin coats that would be dandy.
 
Otcho said:
Why give shadowknights an upgrade that has no practical use outside duoing and grinding exp. If a dev wants to come in here and tell me that the ac makes it better than sss or that i should just keep riding paladin coats that would be dandy.
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Does the +agro effect spells or is it just melee hits with your weapon? My guild rarely runs a raid with SSS as we dont have a active raiding paladin. We just stick with SV and call it good. For us, this spell is definately a upgrade for our offtanking SK. I know this is probably not normal and other guilds would just assume load in a SSS bot but we are lazy and make due with what we have. If the SK died i dont think it was because he was missing 100hp. Anyways, i dont play a SK so you guys would know much more about it than me. Was just responding to one of the comments Ryei1 brought up.

In all honestly i hope it does get a upgrade.. you guys need some love <3

Edit: holy shit otcho.. you are fast at responding ;)
 
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