Nwaij
Dalayan Pious Diety
Uhm, the link I provided my guild was the link from the item I got after the combine. If it was wrong, blame the item.
Silver Band of Shojar
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Uhm, the link I provided my guild was the link from the item I got after the combine. If it was wrong, blame the item.
BenGordon
BLIXT GORDON
Why has no one brought up the point that farguaziar is dropping loot that the highest of high end casters are still equipping? This seems like an easier problem to fix than throwing 200mana and 2ft on a ring from pofrost. The progression of the LT ring >> Shojar ring seems very fine (almost too good). The progression of the nevian >> other rings in this game is 
syduck: . Nerf the stupid nevian already why is farguziar dropping end game loot anyways. It's fairly obvious right now that itemization is being backed into a corner by upper middle tier content items with 2 ft on them.
syduck: . Nerf the stupid nevian already why is farguziar dropping end game loot anyways. It's fairly obvious right now that itemization is being backed into a corner by upper middle tier content items with 2 ft on them.
vistachiri
Dalayan Master
Why has no one brought up the point that farguaziar is dropping loot that the highest of high end casters are still equipping? This seems like an easier problem to fix than throwing 200mana and 2ft on a ring from pofrost. The progression of the LT ring >> Shojar ring seems very fine (almost too good). The progression of the nevian >> other rings in this game is
Nev is not too bad tbh. When one considers all the other aura of balance things in the game, and other things with ft on them. Not every piece of someone's gear should have ft on it, and you do make sacrifices overall for ft on a good portion of gear pieces. The problem is more that nevian is just a really easy slot to toss some ft in on, and you don't take too terribly much of a hit, as the other rings are not much higher above it in terms of mana, so it ends up being one of the smaller sacrifices that one can make. One can also see this in other items such as the LT earth neck, where you gain 2 ft, and lose about 20 mana by getting it as opposed to a farhag neck (and gain 35 mana over a seductress neck by getting a farhag neck btw, and a focus). With the end result that neck is a really good place to have your ft. So are shoes for a caster if you look at the ed tmap shoes, which are without a doubt the best caster shoes currently in the game.
Also while a suitably good item, which really holds its own against any ring currently in the game with the cold focus on it, I can't help but think it would have been superior if rather than cold focus it took a page from the ToT weapons and had a clicky, which would lend itself to not only of being of equal use to all the classes on it, but pretty much completely irreplaceable in one's bags, a position mindfire and ashpyre already occupy. As of right now, it just seems like a good ring, rather than something one would expect after a quest.
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Why does that have haste instead of FT or something useful
The crit strike is what most perplexes me. Maybe the priest and melee rings got switched?
Nwaij
Dalayan Pious Diety
The problem is, Nevian kinda corners one, and thus is hard to replace. Sure, if you are still using Nevian, Shojar Ring, wich is basically Nevian2.0 is nice. If you have put some effort into your character, trying to get rid of Nevian, its utter crap.
When I read this, I tried to find a fomelo with them, so I browsed the Top5 list. Not finding it there, I looked it up in the wiki, and that made me want to puke. These boots are terrible actually.
I must admit I expected to see a ring more in the line of regular caster rings (FT1, some mana, maybe an effect), ie in a line of progression with Iceflow Signet, Shard of Burning, Scholarly Signet, Enthann ring. Heck, add Charged Pursteel Band to the list if you want, allthough its a healer ring.
Instead of that, I got crappy Nevian2.0. I must admit, I am disappointed.
Nodnal
Dalayan Elder
I seriously doubt they want 6% crit strike on a melee ring. I love crit strike on Dlas, and that ring would be a nice ring for the priests who like to throw up extra melee dps.
It would be too overpowered for melee if that was the case. It could use FT1 maybe. Look at the mask that drops in the same zone, I think that has +crit strike as it is intended.
meyers
Staff Emeritus
Tank ring:
Titanium Band of Shojar
[MAGIC ITEM] [LORE ITEM] [NO DROP]
Slot: FINGERS
AC: 35
Focus Effect: Shojar's Cruelty
Skill Mod: Parry +4%
STR: +10 STA: +15 HP: +140
CR: +25
Damage Reduction: +4
Aggression: +1
Weight: 0.1 Size: Tiny
Class: WAR PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Type 3 Aug Slot: Empty
The problem is that the biggest bottleneck for the ring is the bezel mold, and, although the healer ring is nice, the other rings so far are fantastic. No guild in their right might would blow a bezel mold on a healer ring that is merely nice when they have the option to instead create an incredible ring.
Titanium Band of Shojar
[MAGIC ITEM] [LORE ITEM] [NO DROP]
Slot: FINGERS
AC: 35
Focus Effect: Shojar's Cruelty
Skill Mod: Parry +4%
STR: +10 STA: +15 HP: +140
CR: +25
Damage Reduction: +4
Aggression: +1
Weight: 0.1 Size: Tiny
Class: WAR PAL SHD
Race: ALL
Type 3 Aug Slot: Empty
The problem is that the biggest bottleneck for the ring is the bezel mold, and, although the healer ring is nice, the other rings so far are fantastic. No guild in their right might would blow a bezel mold on a healer ring that is merely nice when they have the option to instead create an incredible ring.
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txwasthereasonn
Dalayan Beginner
i'm not sure i understand the complaint.. this is tier 8/9 zone. you expect the ring to easily replace a previous ring being in a higher tiered guild?
To me, every ring looks fine. Except maybe the healers. The tank ring may be a tad too much.
To me, every ring looks fine. Except maybe the healers. The tank ring may be a tad too much.
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Nodnal
Dalayan Elder
Yeah, that tank ring seems a little ridiculous. 10ac over Gongo ring is pretty insane. Especially since it has 2 more DR, a parry mod and an agression over it as well. When you can compare these items to Sanctum, that is when it gets to be a little overpowered.
Who has the tank ring?
meyers
Staff Emeritus
Brenden
Two if the items must have been fixed which is probably why there is confusion. I know for a fact all 4 were No Drop items originally because we specifically noted that before looting them on raids, but I was told by guildies today that two of them were changed to tradeable, I believe the bezel and one of the gems.
Mythryn
Dalayan Master
You can compare certain stats on the ring to Versvesh, but Versvesh as a whole is much, much better.
Nodnal
Dalayan Elder
I really do not think so. For a tank, 10ac, 2 damage reduction and parry mod is worth the loss of stats (usually capped with shaman stats at that tier) and 55hps. The fact that it is even comparable to Gongo ring is a bit off, though. However, I would like to hear opinions from other tanks.
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They problem with the cold focus you mention making it acceptable. From what I've seen of the Frost loot, which at this point is very much of it, over 25%, possibly over 33% (at least it seems so) have this SAME focus effect on them. I believe my wrist item, which drops from random trash, has this focus, as does my head slot from this zone. (The wrist sucks, but I've been maining this char for little more than a month, so I get the upgrades where I can get the ATM)
The priest ring just seems ridiculously underwhelming. I saw the caster ring, and nearly nutted myself. I saw the priest ring just now, and almost shit myself in disbelief. Losing the crit strike, or losing the haste, and adding 1FT, would at LEAST make it more inline with the caster ring. IMO lose the crit strike, we can get that from our Thaz augs now (lol.....)
EDIT: Wrist item is 4% frost, w/ a combat proc which is a decent debuff, and i meant to say Face item, I wasn't looking at my fomelo, simple mistake they're right next to each other on the UI.
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vistachiri
Dalayan Master
I find it kind of lackluster overall tbh. 2 ft is fine, and nice. I would have wanted something a bit more unique for a planar quest though.
Are you out of your fucking mind? For a sacrifice of say 50m, in a very poorly itemized slot, gain stats casters normally do not gain, get no stun resist, a bit less resists, and a whopping 2 ft. Which ties you to FT a whole hell of alot less for not too terribly much of a sacrifice whatsoever. With it one could easily gain a metric ton of mana and stats in several slots I can point out later in the game, with no easy replacements in sight.
The reason they are not on the top5 list, is because
A) ED tmaps are a pain in the nuts
B) They do not drop particularly often
C) ED tmaps refuse to drop in many of the zones if not all that the top5 actually does, for the most part.
Having a charm that provides a large amount of ft, is not a reason for bitching about ft, and saying it blows, when it's obvious to anyone with eyes that it does not.
Tbh that is better than each and every single one of those rings you mentioned. I'm fairly surprised your complaint is it's like nevian, rather than I was hoping for something interesting rather than just flat out good. I mean hell, soulspike looks like nevian with its 2 ft too. Doesn't mean it's bad.