Sidrav, Maul of Slaughter's proc.

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Zhak

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Going to cut out the bullshit and just post the stats and the information

Sidrav's Proc:

275dd, DR check, no adjust, -50 disease debuff, and the proc rate is much smaller than the xavara stick. The sidrav proc also cannot crit ( i would assume it's got something to do with the proc having a duration because of the resist debuff ).

Xavara's Proc:

425dd, FR check, -15 resist adjust, and a fairly significant higher proc rate than the Sidrav maul. The xavara proc can also crit raising its dps potential.

With bard songs and di7 and the mind/energy spec.. you're looking at at a 250 to 300 damage difference between the procs, and with xavara being able to critial, sometimes up to an 800 damage difference.



The Sidrav Maul is aquired after you beat MotG, then beat the Mani event, then beat Mirror golems, then beat Taeshlin, etc etc.. it's a very lengthy process even being able to attain the Maul, it took the current guild well over a year from beating MotG to seeing a Sidrav Maul. It took the same guild a total of a few weeks once we started playing around in sepulcher to get a Xavara stick, which is an easier mob than Deyranni.

Depending on the mob, the Xavara stick could ( and has ) out parse the Sidrav maul. I parsed both weapons on a pet earlier, in a 20 minute parse with each weapon, the sidrav maul proc landed 7 times, 0 crits, while the xavara proc landed 48 times, with 8 crits.

What I would like to see happen with this situation is to see the Sidrav maul get a resist adjust applied to the proc ( either the same as xavara's, or possibly a step higher), and for the proc ratio to be upped to the same as Xavara's. Once that's done, I think the procs will be balanced, on one hand you can reach far better proc dps ( with xavara, having 150 more base dd, and the ability to crit ), but on the other you get a resist debuff, which is also more aggro, so it's a good trade off imo.
 
And as a general rule of thumb with all of my posts, please don't shit up the thread if you don't know the end game and if you aren't well rehearsed with the mechanics and statistics of the end game.
 
Maybe i'm crazy, but its hard to compare the items when you only list the proc.
Stats identical / melee dps identical or something?
 
There isn't a good way to post everything now that you cant copy paste from wanelo..

Xavara:

51 dmg, 35 delay
35str 35dex 20agi
180hp 115mana
16 sv fire - 16 sv cold
2% crit strike

Sidrav:

59dmg, 37 delay
20str 30agi
250hp 205mana
25 sv dis - 25 sv poison
3% crit strike
 
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Maul ratio 1.594 and Xavara 1.457? Maul is way better dude proc or no procs. I don't believe the stick would outdmg the maul in any more than 1 out of 10 fights.
 
With the proc rate and ability to crit, Xavara staff could out DPS Sidrav, easily. 48 procs with higher damage and the ability to crit vs. 7 procs with lower damage and no crit potential in a 20 minute fight is considerable, and the ratio isn't enough to make up for the extreme difference in proc damage. And then, like Zhak said, you have to factor in the time and effort a mob like Deyranni takes vs. Magus Xavara. The two honestly can't even be compared really, they are that far apart, and different fights.
 
Jose summed up what my response would've been.

Depending on the mob, the Xavara stick could ( and has ) out parse the Sidrav maul.
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Was the context I used..

I don't believe the stick would outdmg the maul in any more than 1 out of 10 fights.
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You are basically just reinforcing what I said.

It could... (and has )... out parse(d) the Sidrav maul. Never did i mention the probability that it would outparse the Sidrav.



And just to reinforce what Jose and others have said..

These two shouldn't even be close as the difficulty in the two encounters are tiers apart in terms of difficulty and time-sinks.


With love from over the rainbow, your dinosaur friend, Zhak
 
Every item from a harder tier should be 100% better than previous items in every way, no exceptions allowed.
 
Every item from a harder tier should be 100% better than previous items in every way, no exceptions allowed.
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If you would've read the thread Rab, I'd have a pretty hard time believing that's what you interpreted out of my posts, I'm asking for the proc to be upped so the Sidrav weapon isn't inferior to a weapon which comes from a mob of less difficulty and nearly no time-sinks involved.

I'm not asking for the Sidrav to even have a better proc than Xavara although it's probably pretty justifiable, the current proc on Sidrav is just complete ass, plain and simple. I'm asking for it to be re-evaluated... Thanks for shitting up the post with useless clutter though, much appreciated.
 
The sass was meant as a guide, a beacon of light to point you into the direction of "the other things" that are better about the weapon, which are numerous. I'll bring up the actual proc-rate, and if it is a bit low, hopefully it can be adjusted upwards. Regarding the resist adjust, well, it has a built in resist debuff, so I don't know how necessary that is.
 
If this is the guideline clearly the Mirror blade proc should be changed into DD because the more easily obtained BotFV and MoTG stick could outdmg the mirror in fights where numerous procs tip the scale.
 
I couldn't get to the forums any way I tried when the services were being moved, so that's why I didn't respond. I'm going to change the proc to a ~200dd which can crit and places a recourse on the NPC that will increase its magic damage taken by ~4% for 12 seconds. This should make the proc extremely attractive not only for you personally but also for the entire raid. The numbers *may* be changed though past that as well, I'll talk it over with Wiz first before deciding on exact values.
 
Thanks Xeldan

I appreciate your reply and the effect sounds like it'll definitely be an upgrade from its current proc!

Also, will the proc rate / resist adj be about the same as Xavara proc?
 
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