jew_nose_it
Dalayan Master
Could this be added to ranger's spells. Lvl 65 or w/e it would be nice to have similar to how beastlords got group shrink.
Share Form of the Great Wolf
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robopirateninja
Staff Emeritus
if this was a wolf illusion and nothing more, it would be similar to how beastlords got group shrink
Diodimus
Dalayan Elder
Driizz, i think it would be a good idea to explain why you feel that it would be a good suggestion rather than it would be nice. In this request did you consider the effect it would have on balance? how about the attack difference between share form of the great wolf and greater wolf form which we have now? I will agree that it is disheartening not being able to share the furry experience of being a wolf, I wonder what sort of consequences that would have on the game as a hole.
This would create a second attack buff that rangers are able to provide to a large group of people all at once. Granted most raids will have druids to provide this buff already and the vast majority of raid zones are indoors, thus making this buff unusable, it could still effect the balance of classes in a raid as well as the balance of 6-man groups.
If you want to be able to share the wolf form, suggest something along the lines of adding the wolf model to CotP. If you want the extra attack buff to beef up your utility, i believe that this request was made with very little thought and did not deserve the attention that I gave it.
This would create a second attack buff that rangers are able to provide to a large group of people all at once. Granted most raids will have druids to provide this buff already and the vast majority of raid zones are indoors, thus making this buff unusable, it could still effect the balance of classes in a raid as well as the balance of 6-man groups.
If you want to be able to share the wolf form, suggest something along the lines of adding the wolf model to CotP. If you want the extra attack buff to beef up your utility, i believe that this request was made with very little thought and did not deserve the attention that I gave it.
Otcho
Dalayan Pious Diety
Give rangers more attack because you wont give it to us with the self buff.
real talk : flight of eagle would own, Do not know how many times kas has refused to give me spirit of eagle because he would have to give it to everyone.
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It's not just a wolf form, its also 65 atk, ultravision, and 61%runspeed. Along with the doggie illusion. Its approximately twice as much atk as greater wolf form, and better sight. Although it would be cool to have this spell, it would make things a little unbalanced. Flight of the eagles would be amazing, and i don't see why rangers shouldn't get it, other than spirit of eagle is a level 65 spell as it is.
Rari
Game Master
I don't really understand the point of adding a Druid shared spell to Rangers. Share Form of the Great Wolf has +2% Movement, +15 attack, and +Ultravision compared the the self buff, Greater Wolf Form, Rangers get at 56. As a hybrid, having the self-buff makes sense, but the utility of the group form makes more sense on the Druid imo, but that's just my opinion. Nonetheless, a spell of this utility being compared to Group Shrink is making me titter. If GWF was target-able, this request might make more sense to me.
Also, just thought I'd mention, the duration of Flight of the Eagles is also twice as long as Spirit of Eagle. Compared to the difference between SFotGW and GWF, that doesn't seem nearly so bad.
Just wanted to put things in perspective a bit, to make this less about "But Beastlords
got Group Shrink, what do Rangers get?"
Also, just thought I'd mention, the duration of Flight of the Eagles is also twice as long as Spirit of Eagle. Compared to the difference between SFotGW and GWF, that doesn't seem nearly so bad.
Just wanted to put things in perspective a bit, to make this less about "But Beastlords
got Group Shrink, what do Rangers get?"
jew_nose_it
Dalayan Master
Or you could just make Greater Wolf Form give the same benefits are Share form of the Great Wolf. That would also be great.
Basically the reason for this is that I hate bothering druids for Wolf form, when I have my own self buff, but their wolf form is better than mine. In a raid in Valorb we refresh at least 5 times, it'd make Druid's lives a lot easier to not have to cast this extra buff every time we refresh.
I don't agree with rangers getting Flight of the Eagles. That is a lvl 65 druid buffs. The pattern is rangers getting druid spells at later levels with a few of their own spells in the 50-60s. Its not a game breaking amount of extra utility that I'm asking to be added.
Basically the reason for this is that I hate bothering druids for Wolf form, when I have my own self buff, but their wolf form is better than mine. In a raid in Valorb we refresh at least 5 times, it'd make Druid's lives a lot easier to not have to cast this extra buff every time we refresh.
I don't agree with rangers getting Flight of the Eagles. That is a lvl 65 druid buffs. The pattern is rangers getting druid spells at later levels with a few of their own spells in the 50-60s. Its not a game breaking amount of extra utility that I'm asking to be added.
Kedrin
Dalayan Pious Diety
I would agree with this more so then giving rangers a group/raid wolf buff.
I also dislike the fact that the Druid DS "Spell: Shield of Thorns" (24) at level 49 is better then the group buff "Spell: Legacy of Spike" (20) at level 51. However this might be for a different thread all together.
Giving rangers Flight of the Eagles would seem more realistic (along the same logic as the BL shrink) then giving them a group/raid buff that they currently can not even cast on one person.
Dimmi
Dalayan Elder
I would make babies for the responsible parties if wolf form could stick through zoning/refreshing like enchanter perma-illusions do. Srsly, /babies4u
tinkaa
*fake Tinkerbell*
Wolf sticking during zones would be a bad bad idea for noob people like me zoning into Sadri or Newport. I'd much rather see a tome with low xp that you need to complete if you want to keep your illusions when you zone. Would also work for clicky non-enc illusions.
jew_nose_it
Dalayan Master
Any of these suggestions would be nice. Basically what I want is easier access to share wolf form. Any way you could make this happen would be nice. I just thought putting in on the ranger wouldn't be that hard or cause any balance issues.
robopirateninja
Staff Emeritus
Then play with a druid? You don't really seem to understand what "balance" means; why do we want to make druids less desirable in groups?
phroggonalog
Dalayan Master
I thought he meant he wants his self buff to be as good as the druid shared buff
Dimmi
Dalayan Elder
(You have to zone to refresh)
Tink that is probably the coolest idea I've seen in S&R in a long long while, especially if it can be applied to pets as well.
jew_nose_it
Dalayan Master
You're right Share form of the great wolf is the only thing keeping druids from completely getting shut out in groups. Half the time its not even used when available. Tanks use Toll or werefrog, a lot of rogues/monks like to use werefrog as well. I prefer wolf form because werefrog doesn't work with bows. If I'm indoors wolf form is not even an option. Only 2 6 man zones are outdoors and I don't think rangers having group wolf form is going to keep a druid from being in the group.
Also tink's suggestion would be acceptable as well. I'm certain wolf form lasts a very long time so that would be wonderful
robopirateninja
Staff Emeritus
When you make up new arguments for a post that you quoted in it's entirety, you only make yourself look stupid. I never said that shared wolf form was the only thing that druids bring to a group or raid. That is a facile argument. It is something that ONLY a druid can currently bring to your group or raid. If you desire the buff, then you desire a druid. If multiple classes can cast the buff, then you don't need a druid for shared wolf form anymore. Druids have lost one (albeit small) element of what makes them desirable for a group/raid slot over (an)other class(es).
If wolf form is so undesirable, why do you want it? Why does this thread exist?
I'll tell you why: because you DO want greater wolf form, and you want it while grouping/raiding without a druid, so that you can get the raw healing power of a cleric, or the healing duration of a shaman, or you just want rangers to be better on their own. You haven't provided any reason why this is a good idea beyond "I want."
Rari
Game Master
There have been some awesome ideas in this thread. Tink's idea about Illusion tomes in particular makes me drool. I can even see a point in arguing why (Greater) Wolf Form should be made as good or even better than the Shared version(s) (possibly making a comparison to Druid DS shared buffs versus Druid DS self buffs.) Nonetheless, I still see no reason why Rangers should have the shared version.
Rorne
The sad fish is a reactionary creature; an enemy o
There is a very simple solution to this. Take group wolf form away from druids and give it to rangers. The buff has much more synergy on a ranger, a class who has one actual semi-sought over group spell. Or just give them the lesser version which is more in line with the hybrid spell shackles.
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