Shaman slows question

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Hasrett

Dalayan Beginner
I'm looking around on the SoD spell database at info on slows, and something seems pretty weird. The following is based on the assumption that the information in the DB is correct on slows. If it is incorrect, I would very much appreciate a clarification.

The shaman 51+ slow spells:

Tugur's Insects (http://sod.camongrel.de/id:1514)
Classes: Shaman: 51
Mana: 250
Resistance type: Magic
Casting time: 3000 (3 seconds)
Recast delay: 6000 (6 seconds)
Duration: 50 ticks (5 minutes)
Effects: Slow target by 50%(L1-65)
Poison Counters (16)

At 51, a 250 mana, 50%, 5-minute slow.

Plague of Insects (http://sod.camongrel.de/id:2018)
Classes:Shaman: 54, Beastlord: 63
Mana: 250
Resistance type: Disease
Casting time: 6400 (6.4 seconds)
Recast delay: 5000 (5 seconds)
Duration: 50 ticks (5 minutes)
Effects: Slow target by 40%(L1-65)
Poison Counters (16)

At 54, a 250 mana, 40%, 5-minute slow that uses Disease rather than magic as the resist. Less slow, different resist, otherwise identical. Fair enough.

Tigir's Insects (http://sod.camongrel.de/id:1515)
Classes: Shaman: 58
Mana: 350
Resistance type: Magic
Targets: Target Based AoE
Casting time: 5000 (5 seconds)
Recast delay: 5000 (5 seconds)
Duration: 50 ticks (5 minutes)
Effects: Slow target by 50%(L1) to 83%(L65)
Poison Counters (16)
Modify Hate by -200(L1-65)

At 58, a 350 mana, 83% (at 65), 5-minute magic-based AOE slow.

Festering Insects (http://sod.camongrel.de/id:1908)
Classes: Shaman: 60
Mana: 335
Skill: Conjuration
Resistance type: Disease
Casting time: 6500 (6.5 seconds)
Recast delay: 5000 (5 seconds)
Duration: 50 ticks (5 minutes)
Effects: Slow target by 50%(L1-65)
Poison Counters (19)

At 60, a 335 mana, 50%, 5-minute disease-based slow. It gives more poison counters than the others.


The way I'm reading this, our best slow by an ENORMOUS margin is our level 58 target-based AOE. We get zero (read, ZERO) improvements in slow amount for single-target slows from level 51 to level 65. We do get disease-based slows, which I'd imagine will be resisted a lot less often... but they cost 85 mana more, for no additional slow.

Are we really intended to use exclusively our AOE slow if we want to genuinely slow a mob down? And are shamans supposed to lose their role as the ideal slowing class, given that Beastlords get a 50% slow (for 195 mana, I might add--far less than the shaman's disease OR magic-based slows at 335 and 250 mana respectively) by the name of Sha's Reprisal (http://sod.camongrel.de/id:2538)? Enchanters don't get quite as good a slow--45% at level 57 for 225 mana (25 and 110 cheaper than the shaman 50% slows), and it lasts 3 minutes longer than any shaman slows (http://sod.camongrel.de/id:1628)


So, I guess what I'm asking is whether shamans are really intended A) to use exclusively their AOE slow, even for single targets; and B) to have substantially more mana-intensive slows than beastlords at the end-game for the same %.

Obviously this doesn't include the shaman AA slow, but then that's not exactly much use in exp groups, given it's refresh time.
 
Turgurs insects for most mobs, and festering for the ones that resist more. Usually raid mobs. I always have both slows up, so I can slow again right away if I'm resisted.

I never use AE slow, just cause.
 
Raherin said:
Turgurs insects for most mobs, and festering for the ones that resist more. Usually raid mobs. I always have both slows up, so I can slow again right away if I'm resisted.

I never use AE slow, just cause.
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I normally use Tugur's, and have never tried the AE slow.... but having looked a little closer at the numbers, I've gott ask why? Why not use the AE if it's so much better, first of all, and secondly, more rhetorically (and in a whiney voice), why are our slows worse than BST slows at 65?
 
Beastlords and shamans slows are the same, but shamans have different slows for different resists. Beastlord will tend to get resisted more than your average shaman. :)
 
I have used ae slow for many reasons since I had lokdar most of them dealing with more than one mob in camp. The reason why we dont get better slows from level 51 is due to mobs being tuned to 50% slow.
 
I just recently started delving into the spell file parsing thing, and I might be completely wrong, so take this for what it's worth...

I have a feeling the slow is really 50%, but the client spell file (the one that we can parse) has one field set incorrectly. If the field in question was changed from a 101 to 100 (like the other slows mentioned that also show no max value), a parser, like that web page, would show it as a straight up 50% slow. That, or the max could be listed at 50% as well.

Actually, if you're taking the spell for how it looks now, it would be a 79% slow when you can first cast it (level 58) which scales to about 82% at 65. The 50% value is the level 1 value.

This particular spell bothered me enough that in my spell parser I temporarily made a special exception to parse just this spell differently (which actually bothers me far more, but I forgot about it until I read this thread).
 

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Hasritt said:
The following is based on the assumption that the information in the DB is correct on slows. If it is incorrect, I would very much appreciate a clarification.
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Raherin said:
Beastlords and shamans slows are the same, but shamans have different slows for different resists. Beastlord will tend to get resisted more than your average shaman. :)
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bst are good backup slowers if a shm goes down or something but yeah due to most shms having a higher char then a bst they will never outslow us.
 
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