Shaman 'epic'

[7:33pm] <04Ponden-AFK> is the QFTPP Going to work on epics at all (not listed i know) ?
[7:33pm] <13~Wiz> no
[7:34pm] <13~Wiz> we do not have epics
[7:34pm] <13~Wiz> nor will we have epics
[7:34pm] <13~Wiz> we have mq instead
[7:34pm] <04Ponden-AFK> hey uh.. give me a break here. Im not talking about weapons but the shaman mask was once referred to as an epic
[7:34pm] <13~Wiz> yes
[7:34pm] <13~Wiz> once
[7:34pm] <04Ponden-AFK> alright then
[7:34pm] <13~Wiz> its no longer referred to as an epic :p
[7:34pm] <13~Wiz> we scrapped the idea of epics
[7:34pm] <13~Wiz> and went with the mq instead

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Suggesting that someone swap out the mask for slows and then swap to their better mask is retarded.
Some kind of fix is needed here. If it does not happen now, then it will when sanctum or ToT go live and there are noticable mask upgrades for everyone but shamans.
I say this because I think the change should happen now while its getting attention, and not later when it gets brought up once again.
 
I don't see why a shaman swapping a mask for a specific situation (slowing) is any different than a monk swapping in resist gear for pulling, or a pet class swapping in their focus items. Only one shaman even needs to be slowing on each raid, the other(s) wouldn't need to swap at all.
 
This "problem" isn't really a problem. It takes a great deal of work to get this mask. It has the slow effect on it. It owns anything else you could ever get in it's place, forever. That effect > a pathetic 50 more mana. Few shms ever will have it and I think the tradeoff for that effect should be less mana. What the hell are you going to do with 50 or more mana anyways when you're a shm?

Maybe an aug would be a good idea. High end shms can finally get a better mana piece then. But I like the idea of the tradeoff for the effect. The quest was meant for the mask with that slow effect, not just the slow effect, and to put in an aug would just sort of cheapen it. Why go through the pointless work of coding this in when there is so much more important stuff to handle, for shms with near 8k mana, who have infinite mana as is.

You know I understand, I really do. Podge has probably had that mask since forever. But really, truly, do you need to use something else? Are you hurting with that less mana? If so, then hell yes do something NOW so shms end game can compete. If not, why bother? So someone can have more mana in fomelo? "why bother if shms don't need the mana" is no kind of an argument for sure. But, I sure do think a lot more important things need to be handled BEFORE worring about yet another end game gear "problem" for people.

So, I agree and disagree here. /shrug, I can live perfectly happy with the mask and never get an upgrade over it just because of the slow effect. The extra mana on upgrades just doesn't matter to me when the slow effect is just so damn great of a bonus to have for slows. But that's just me I guess.
 
There is currently an item for shaman that's irreplaceable which is something that Wiz doesn't want. This thread is a request to change that. Please don't use the arguement that you can swap it in and out, you'd have to do it for every mob to get the full effect which is pretty silly.
 
The focus is a special reward from completing a very long and involved quest. It cheapens the quest ot make it available on raid items, which is why I said "not on any *RAID* items". It could appear on a later quested item, but honestly the aug solution is a better one.
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Its silly to think shamans that are the tierrequired to get this face will not do it and wait till they can raid Thaz.

Then again i dont understand why shamans are complaining that they have a better face then any other class out there and get it on raid tier 2 or so. This face cant be replaced even on Thaz level so it obviously is very good. Maybe you should be happy that you can get the best face ingame early and not complain that you cant wear any other face cause you could but dont want too cause the 'epic' face is better.
 
I'd really rather we add the focus effect to a few (inner prison and up) items.

If the mask should be able to be turned into an augment it should require another quest to do so, or a separate extreme high end quest for a swarm mastery aug.
 
Thinkmeats said:
The focus is a special reward from completing a very long and involved quest. It cheapens the quest ot make it available on raid items, which is why I said "not on any *RAID* items". It could appear on a later quested item, but honestly the aug solution is a better one.
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Very very long compared to other high end quests.

In my opinion, should be done another quest, that would upgrade the mask.

I also agree, maybe the deity quest, for all shamies should have that focus on it.
 
Noktar said:
Its silly to think shamans that are the tierrequired to get this face will not do it and wait till they can raid Thaz.
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Is it silly to think healers would wait until Thaz to get the belt instead of paying for the heal crit charm? Because that's happened.
 
Thinkmeats said:
Is it silly to think healers would wait until Thaz to get the belt instead of paying for the heal crit charm? Because that's happened.
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If there were a very long and involved quest that resulted in a runes of healing effect item and was doable at ~Tier 2/3 of raiding then I guarantee you EVERY dedicated healer would strive to obtain it. Farming 200k plat is way harder than doing pretty much any quest currently in the game.

Every shaman that I have been guilded with has gotten that mask because of its awesome stats for the level at which you can get it and the effect. It would be crazy for a shaman to just "hold out" until thaz.
 
I like the idea of the aug if it's feasible from the quest designer standpoint. Possibly having an NPC who'll offer to imbue a gemstone (e.g. one of the thaz shaman upgrade gems) with the power of the mask if you bring him both. Something that would require being on a high enough tier for the upgrade to be appropriate, without being too complex and involuted, given how lengthy the quest already is. That would encourage people to take advantage of the quest that's already had so much time put into it by the staff because of both immediate benefits (a quality mask at low and mid tiers) and future benefits (the aug).
 
Eldorath said:
If there were a very long and involved quest that resulted in a runes of healing effect item and was doable at ~Tier 2/3 of raiding then I guarantee you EVERY dedicated healer would strive to obtain it. Farming 200k plat is way harder than doing pretty much any quest currently in the game.

Every shaman that I have been guilded with has gotten that mask because of its awesome stats for the level at which you can get it and the effect. It would be crazy for a shaman to just "hold out" until thaz.
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Shamans need the mask and can't get rid of it--that's the problem we're trying to address--so obviously every shaman you've guilded with has done the quest. Your argument is rather silly.

Adding the focus to one item makes the new item the new shackle. What you propose would require adding it to multiple items, making it yet another focus in an already-cluttered pile of focuses. Once the new focus is part of the normal pantheon, what makes the shaman quest special? It'd be the exact same thing as doing a long involved quest to get a heal increment VI mask.
 
Thinkmeats said:
Shamans need the mask and can't get rid of it--that's the problem we're trying to address--so obviously every shaman you've guilded with has done the quest. Your argument is rather silly.

Adding the focus to one item makes the new item the new shackle. What you propose would require adding it to multiple items, making it yet another focus in an already-cluttered pile of focuses. Once the new focus is part of the normal pantheon, what makes the shaman quest special? It'd be the exact same thing as doing a long involved quest to get a heal increment VI mask.
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I am all for the moving of this effect to an aug or more items. If it comes to chaining them to a new item every few tiers I don't see that as a major problem, its just that this particular item happens to be like 7 tiers old. Either way I don't really care where it ends up.

I was pretty much pointing out that comparing obtaining the shaman mask versus obtaining a 200k charm is nowhere near a valid comparison.
 
Eldorath said:
I was pretty much pointing out that comparing obtaining the shaman mask versus obtaining a 200k charm is nowhere near a valid comparison.
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Yeah, it's a salient point. I let it alone because I didn't find any fault with it. While the focuses are comprable in that they were intended to be special, the overall situation's a bit different.
 
Would the staff ever consider adding a lower effect like this to equipment that an Enc/BST/Bard could and would want to wear, something like 2.5% to slows instead of 5%? With the archaic slow and this mask the gasp has been widened between these classes.I personally don't particularly care but it does seem warranted to keep a very specific part of class balancing intact.

Obviously these pieces of equipment would be added to the same tier of equipment as the items that the shaman effect was added to if the staff decided to go that route.
 
I really, really, really do not see us adding yet another focus effect for players to worry about. We batted the idea around for crit focuses and struck it down for that same reason.
 
Reading all of this I think keeping the mask as it is the way to go. However adding a quest afterwards for turning in the mask and getting a Aug with the Effect. This would make all camps happy, and meets 90% of the goals everyone seems to be going for (except for those that think everything is fine and shaman should just suck it up)
 
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