Thinkmeats
War Is Good For Business
Elysium said:
Yeah, that seems like a far better plan.
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Zhak said:
I was more concerned about how the idea had chagned in translation to something that dicked non-highend shamans than about who posted it.
Shaman 'epic'
- Thread starter Zhak
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Yeah, that seems like a far better plan.
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I was more concerned about how the idea had chagned in translation to something that dicked non-highend shamans than about who posted it.
Malleus2
Dalayan Elder
Adding an option to trade in the mask for a swarm mastery aug (as opposed to changing the item across the board for all) seems the best option in my opinion if we want to make it so the mask is not irreplacable. Many shaman who have had the mask for a while will have made a lot of gear selections along the way based on the fact that the recovery on the mask negates a need for lots of other gear with recovery. As recovery is so crucial for shaman to offset the damage we constantly take from canni simply changing it to an aug with no recovery will have a huge impact on those that have passed on recovery gear so it can benfit others that could use it more. I would however be good if shaman had the option to equip some other mask and move the swarm mastery aug to some other slot (or put it on thier new mask).
BenGordon
BLIXT GORDON
I really dont see how turning the mask into an aug is a reasonable solution. This may be a fun idea but I just dont see the point if you want the slow bonus you can swap in mask. The warrior cmal gaunts were like this forever before they were nerfed they were basically an item tied to your character and it was discussed turning them into an aug clicky but that was shot down.
I also don't understand why TM is so adamant in never having this focus effect on any other item in game for the rest of the history of SoD or at least something similar. If new content is coming out higher end content etc etc why not throw a similar effect on a new item or even on some of the shaman thaz armor. What im seeing is that a shaman quested mask around tier 2 has this unique focus and we have about 9 tiers with supposedly higher tiers coming out it seems kind of ridiculous to instantly shoot down the idea of a similar focus on a new item. Runes of healing was put onto an item a focus only formerly found in 2 places. I think the bottom line is either way swarm mastery is not that great and if worn on an aug or not worn at all the difference is almost not even noticable.
Moral of the story: if you want a 5% slow bonus and you are too lazy to swap out the mask every encounter save it for nameds and bosses. An aug however is a bad idea that wouldnt unbalance just put devs to work on something not really necessary. Plz add swarm mastery related focus to new items asap this will not unbalance, this is a focus that can only be found on a low tier shaman quest misleadingly referred to as epic. If this item is turned into an aug I will be requesting ytraz be tradable for aug proc and also lifeward be traded for aug clicky, also shield of freeport should be tradable for an aug n2bad focus effect I like that one too. Any other quest items that have desirable focus effect should be aug tradeable as well.
I also don't understand why TM is so adamant in never having this focus effect on any other item in game for the rest of the history of SoD or at least something similar. If new content is coming out higher end content etc etc why not throw a similar effect on a new item or even on some of the shaman thaz armor. What im seeing is that a shaman quested mask around tier 2 has this unique focus and we have about 9 tiers with supposedly higher tiers coming out it seems kind of ridiculous to instantly shoot down the idea of a similar focus on a new item. Runes of healing was put onto an item a focus only formerly found in 2 places. I think the bottom line is either way swarm mastery is not that great and if worn on an aug or not worn at all the difference is almost not even noticable.
Moral of the story: if you want a 5% slow bonus and you are too lazy to swap out the mask every encounter save it for nameds and bosses. An aug however is a bad idea that wouldnt unbalance just put devs to work on something not really necessary. Plz add swarm mastery related focus to new items asap this will not unbalance, this is a focus that can only be found on a low tier shaman quest misleadingly referred to as epic. If this item is turned into an aug I will be requesting ytraz be tradable for aug proc and also lifeward be traded for aug clicky, also shield of freeport should be tradable for an aug n2bad focus effect I like that one too. Any other quest items that have desirable focus effect should be aug tradeable as well.
BenGordon
BLIXT GORDON
I'm sorry but
Yes its almost apples and oranges and I apologize for this slight derail but the lifeward is in a similar boat as the mask seeing as it is a class specific quest that is considered 'epic'. The lifeward although not used in combat must be swapped out to obtain its benefits. I think if shamans are going to get their cake and eat it too (srry 2use bad cliches) the lifeward at the least can be made an inventory clicky.
Which brings me to my next suggestion - due to the fact that the general consensus is that its unfair for such a unique and beneficial focus effect being on a low tier item would it be possible instead of changing to an aug maybe making it like a global focus effect something that you are still getting the benefits of while it is in your backpack? The mask would still be worn by most any shaman until he can obtain something nicer and shamans who outgrow it can just stick it in their bags and still get the effect. I guess this essentially would be the same as an aug but I still think the aug idea is dumb.
Zhak said:
Yes its almost apples and oranges and I apologize for this slight derail but the lifeward is in a similar boat as the mask seeing as it is a class specific quest that is considered 'epic'. The lifeward although not used in combat must be swapped out to obtain its benefits. I think if shamans are going to get their cake and eat it too (srry 2use bad cliches) the lifeward at the least can be made an inventory clicky.
Which brings me to my next suggestion - due to the fact that the general consensus is that its unfair for such a unique and beneficial focus effect being on a low tier item would it be possible instead of changing to an aug maybe making it like a global focus effect something that you are still getting the benefits of while it is in your backpack? The mask would still be worn by most any shaman until he can obtain something nicer and shamans who outgrow it can just stick it in their bags and still get the effect. I guess this essentially would be the same as an aug but I still think the aug idea is dumb.
Finny
Dalayan Adventurer
BenGordon said:
I think my whole point is that if you want this mask, which is even still really good end game (read: upper thaz) with its effects, you need to make a gear decision. If you side with this mask like several shamans do... QQ like 50 fomelo mana big deal. Even if you decide to upgrade it, you can still swap it in for the slows. If you're concerned about losing 35hp regen / tick, l2use druid regen, ancient slumber and healing sleep when you canni because lets face it; if you do a big canni or even chain low ones, you're not going to wait for regen to heal you up, esp. if you're doing a fight with ae's.
Finny
Dalayan Adventurer
Jun said:
What I was getting at was your statement....
Jun said:
... is retarded. I wasn't being serious about making a harrowed mantle aug. I was being facetious and and hinting at the fact that no other item swapped in for either say a clicky or effect would be made in to an augment so why should this...
Xeldan
Staff Emeritus
This is really up to Wiz since he designed the quest and the item, but I'm not against the idea of turning the mask into an augment. I'm somewhat against it from the same quest, though, because the mask is pretty great for the tier you get it. Maybe a later quest to rip the power of the mask out of it would be in order.
Jun
Dalayan Beginner
Finny said:
I think you need to settle down there big guy. You're still talking about an insta-clicky item, not a focus effect. I can't think of any other item aside from Companion Health/Str focus effects that are switched on and then off to gain benefit from. Even then, the problem of having few good items with nice Comp Health/Str was addressed and more were implemented. You can't really compared an instant clicky with a focus, I dunno. Anyway, I don't know if it needs to be an aug, maybe a later quest like Xeldan suggested could yield an upgraded mask.
Thinkmeats
War Is Good For Business
BenGordon said:
The focus is a special reward from completing a very long and involved quest. It cheapens the quest ot make it available on raid items, which is why I said "not on any *RAID* items". It could appear on a later quested item, but honestly the aug solution is a better one.
