shaman cha buffs

Slagar

Slagar

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This is kind of nitpicky, but the highest level shaman charisma buff is single target, unlike the rest of the shaman stat buffs which are group-wide. Would it be possible to switch the two? So that the level 59 version is a group +55 charisma buff, and the level 58 version is a single target +50 charisma buff?
 
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SoDWiki said:
Focus of Soul

Effects (from parser):

Slot 1: Increase Max Hit Points by 425
Slot 2: Increase Current Hit Points by 425
Slot 3: Increase CHA by 70
Slot 4: Increase ATK by 30
Slot 5: Forced Spell Stacking Slot 1: Max Hit Points
Slot 6: Forced Spell Stacking Slot 1: CHA

Relic: Anchestral Focus

Effects (from parser):

Slot 1: Increase Max Hit Points by 455
Slot 2: Increase Current Hit Points by 455
Slot 3: Increase CHA by 70
Slot 4: Increase ATK by 35
Slot 5: Forced Spell Stacking Slot 1: Max Hit Points
Slot 6: Forced Spell Stacking Slot 1: CHA
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Both of them are group spells, both of them give more CHA.
 
Both of them are more than just CHA buffs. I'm pretty sure hes just talking about the specific stat buff.

His suggestion, although minor, does seem to make sense. There are those of us who run WON and want the cha buff, and casting it single target over and over is just a time sink - nothing else.

EDIT: Also pretty dam sure Focus of Soul is single target, not that this matteres - but just saying.
 
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Seems like I get pestered at least once a night for a Focus, and that's a random pestering, not the guildie "hey, come to Athica and give us your sweet Shaman love" requests. Which usually involve the non melees clicking off Focus if there is WoN to be had.

Focus of Soul is the single target one. Khura's Focusing\Ancestral Focus are group. OP is referencing the CHA only buffs; Unfailing Reverence and Talisman of the Serpent. Since these are 58 and 59, and you get Focus spells at 60, they are largely forgotten.
 
Most knights (SK & PAL) and some melee classes prefer WON for the AC component so the CHA buffs get used more than you think.
 
Nwaij said:
You are uninformed:

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Both of them are group spells, both of them give more CHA.
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aren't you a wizard? Have you never asked a shaman for a cha buff before?

Sorry my OP wasn't very clear, but I wrote it in a hurry. I think Magina et al have basically clarified what I was talking about though.
 
I'm just going to point out... this is the way ALL shaman/group stuff goes. Go look at the STR buff, STA buff, etc. Single - higher, group = lower. It follows a pattern, and making a group buff higher than a single buff = WTF? Group buff saves mana, so you deal with lesser CHA.

EDIT: All buyable ones. These are VENDOR spells. A better suggestion would be to make a higher CHA spell greater than 60, if possible.
 
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what makes you say the things that you say kerolynne?

edit: actually a 61+ charisma buff would be a pretty good solution to this issue, all things considered. It doesn't really make sense for the charisma buff line to be completely tied down to the talisman/potg line. I suppose there might be a balance issue with respect to casters having too much charisma or too much mana regen if they were able to have both potg AND a charisma buff, but that all seems kind of weird. But hey, we all love the 70 charisma on focus, ngl, please don't change that on account of any of the dumb things I've said here today.

One way or another though, my point is that, contrary to kero's baseless claims, the group versions of level 50-60 shaman stat buffs are always higher level and give the same amount of stat. There are no trade offs between single target and group versions of buffs. I cannot think of any cases where such a trade off exists for any class actually, although I only really play a shaman.

The charisma buff bucks this trend by having the single target spell at a higher level, but giving less charisma than the group version. To bring this in to accord with the rest of the spells, and to make conscientious caster-friendly shamans happy, I think that the 58 spell should be made in to UR, a single target +55 cha buff. The 59 spell should be then made in to a group buff, Talisman of the Serpent, giving +55 cha. Granted, a different interpretation of this situation would be that the 58 spell be made single target and kept at +50 cha, and the 59 spell be made a group version that gives +50 cha as well. I guess I might have been shooting myself in the foot with this thread then, but I still think my interpretation makes some sense.
 
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The whiney casters in your guild just need to farm up their charms and get their CHA maxxed already...geez.

Especially that one wizard.
 
I agree with the OP. most casters, priests and some knights do Run WoN as opposed to focus that does indeed have a CHA componant. Casting single target CHA for max effect does get tedious at times and it would be great if Unfailing Reverence was a group spell like all of the other shaman buffs. Perhaps removing Talisman of the Serpent (level 58) and making Unfailing Reverence (level 59) a group spell could be a good solution, Heck even adding a level 60-65 group CHA buff with a higher level of CHA would work.


Any sort of "patern" of the shaman line of spells is not relivant to what the OP has requested nor does it bring anything to this converstation.
 
Ontop said:
Casting single target CHA for max effect does get tedious at times
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17 people clicking off a buff because one person asked for said buff is ever more tedious.

Group Buffs should all have an equally as good single target buff. THIS is what people should be asking for.
 
well single or group cha doesn't stack with focus so only the people clicking this buff will be the people running WoN. Just the clerics / druids most likely. So ya on our raids I can see 4 people clicking this tops (if they felt like it). I can't speak for druids however maining a cleric for years I alwase had extra buff slot room as I didn't require haste, CoTP ect.... and clicked them when they were casted to make room for debuffs AoE's ect....
 
I always thought it would be cool/nice if all 1-55 buffs or whatever were just changed into group versions, just sayin. Nothing is fun about casting bear strength on 6 people and fizzling half your mana away while the rest goes to the actual spell which only lasts 30 minutes which 4 of them are spent regaining this.
 
ya, but that would take away the relative awesomeness of getting group buffs at level 60. The other argument would be that before level 60 people don't group much anyway, so they don't need group buffs.
Of course, both those arguments are really dumb, so I guess I'm inclined to agree.
 
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