Sabatons of the Murk

ynnear

ynnear

Dalayan Elder
Sabatons of the Murk
item_524.png

Source
Loot

Type Equipment
Dropped by
The Murkwater (10) in The Abyss
Resists SvD: +40
Skill Mod 2H Slashing +10
Focus Effect Affliction Enhancement VII
  • 1: Increase Spell Damage from Damage over Time spells by 21%

Effects Item effect may have diminished potency.
Spell: Affliction
Single target, 12 ticks, Detrimental

    • 1: Increase Disease Counter by 4
    • 2: Decrease Hit Points by 10 per tick
  • 3: Decrease Current Hit Points by 30
Lore They're really squishy on the inside. It's pretty gross, actually..
[MAGIC ITEM][LORE ITEM][NO DROP]
Slot: FEET
AC: 44
Focus Effect:
Effect: Affliction (Kick Proc, 20%)
Skill Mod: 2H Slashing +10
STR: +12 STA: +12 CHA: +25 WIS: +18 INT: +18 AGI:+12 HP: +190 MANA: +170
SV DISEASE: +40
Recommended level of 65.
WT: 4.0 Size:SMALL
Class: WAR PAL RNG SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1 type 2: empty



I purpose the following change. Many a tank and non tank keep these for a very long time until other fights. The change I purpose would directly effect the kick mechanic alone. Change affliction to GRIP OF COLD. And affliction enhancement 7 to a cold focus of sorts. I feel this change would be very positive and keep the theme of the boss that drops these also. This would not hinder other itemization for other classes also on this item.


Sabatons of the Murk
item_524.png

Source
Loot

Type Equipment
Dropped by
The Murkwater (10) in The Abyss

Single target, 12 ticks,
Lore They're really squishy on the inside. It's pretty gross, actually..
[MAGIC ITEM][LORE ITEM][NO DROP]
Slot: FEET
AC: 44
Focus Effect: Shojar Cruelty
Effect: Grip of cold( Kick Proc, 20%)
Skill Mod: 2H Slashing +10
STR: +12 STA: +12 CHA: +25 WIS: +18 INT: +18 AGI:+12 HP: +190 MANA: +170
SV DISEASE: +40
Recommended level of 65.
WT: 4.0 Size:SMALL
Class: WAR PAL RNG SHD
Race: ALL
Slot 1 type 2: empty
 
should be a cold focus 7, not 6, like every other elemental focus in the zone. also that change would make those boots amazing for a ranger
 
Right, giving it a cold focus definitely doesn't "effect the kick alone", and changes the item alot. Changing just the proc? maybe, but the focus changes alot
 
Affliction effects the proc it currently has changing it to cold focus with a cold proc makes sense
 
my argument is the large next upgrade gap for most of these classes so changing the kick portion atleast for the tanks gives them a better option. then sorrow boots or earth boss boots
 
ynnear said:
my argument is the large next upgrade gap for most of these classes so changing the kick portion atleast for the tanks gives them a better option. then sorrow boots or earth boss boots
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By tanks you mean warriors, since they are the only tank class that kicks.
 
By 'Tanks' you mean Warriors, cause Knights don't kick. Rangers do tho. Also it's already the standard option at T10 (which Sorrow and Thaz Earth mini are), so now I'm just confused.
 
Not seeing a problem with these boots, like most abyss loot it's good for the tier (with some loot probably TOO GOOD) and it's not like there's a lack of boots around the tier anyway with NZ boots, those and the earth mini ones.
 
I looked at this a little bit. While ynnear's OP is poor, lacking any background to change the item, I do think that the spell choice was well thought out and makes a lot more sense than what is on the item now... Others have said that yes the change would primarily benefit warriors. I agree that is the intent, but I can also see that it would give the item a situational use for rangers who end up having to tank something as a backup, etc. while not giving them a huge boost in power. I do completely agree with Tevinter that the focus effect shouldn't change, further if it was made a cold effect, it would completely dis balance this item for rangers, and make it a staple for a very long time. That is not good. I can think of at least one very good reason that a 12 tick dot proc on boots is pretty awful. That being that there are specifically fights ON THIS TIER that dot's are a serious detriment and will wipe a raid.

Those who have NZ or 4.3 boots in the back of their mind... Let's be real. ynnear is right, there is a huge time gap in obtaining loot from those fights doing it on tier, thus making this item the staple for the classes listed on it. Sure the suggested change really only affects warriors. There is not a problem with that. Additionally, one could argue that the other tanks have several options to generate hate from their primary combat ability (bash) without sacrificing anything at all... and before you start griping about how warriors can use shields too. Please play a warrior and try and maintain hate with one ON TIER with a shield full time.

Finally, can we please maintain civility in these forums. God forbid someone try and make a suggestion about improving the game for a single class that doesn't dis balance the game for everyone else without one or multiple people throwing it down because it doesn't directly benefit them or a class they play...

my 2 cents.
 
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Arguing via lore is pretty dumb, especially considering the murk is a big diseased shithole inside an insane dead frog person so a disease proc on boots makes sense. The dot is basically free damage and it's not like boot procs for warriors are particularly good outside of the previously mentioned NZ boots and voidstep. Having items be a detriment sometimes is also okay, NZ boots are pretty good at fucking you over on some fights (time to hit my warrior macros, oops I forgot I have kick tied to all of them and broke mez). There's other examples too like
gloom sword having the ability to kill you on claw commander.

Also really not buying that not being able to kick on some fights is a massive detriment to warrior aggro. Sure warriors don't have the snap aggro knights do but they can still put out a decent amount of threat with the weapons at the tier. Terror blade/galeforce is pretty nasty aggro and when you can't use galeforce there's still caex and varisath. The cool thing too is that your aggro isn't as terrible as it used to be on a warrior with a shield if you have the thaz air mini shield too since that proc hits like a goddamn truck and it's a lure to boot. And all of these fights are around the same tier of difficulty loot wise!

People are also being perfectly civil to him. His change would basically shift the item to a ranger coveted item while barely offering anything to the other classes on it other than a kick proc that won't matter much at all in the long run with the added bonus of doing less damage in the process. It's simple not a worthwhile change since the item in question already does what it needs to do for the majority of classes on it: a good tank upgrade until the next tier. Abyss loot doesn't need changes, for the most part it's Pretty Dang Good as it is. It's a tier 10 zone with multiple BIS pieces.
 
Tevinter said:
dont change the item because its fine as it
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Hate to agree with Tevinter, but in this case I have to: Nothing on this item is broken or warrants a change. You can't use it at all times? Not a new concept. Takes some time to replace it? Not a new concept either. Turns it from "eh whatever, situationally maybe" to "OMG MUST HAVE" for a class (in this case: ranger)? Let's avoid changes like this!
 
Nwaij said:
Hate to agree with Tevinter, but in this case I have to: Nothing on this item is broken or warrants a change. You can't use it at all times? Not a new concept. Takes some time to replace it? Not a new concept either. Turns it from "eh whatever, situationally maybe" to "OMG MUST HAVE" for a class (in this case: ranger)? Let's avoid changes like this!
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I agree with Nwaij on this one. The boots get replaced faster than items from Yclist, or the other items in abyss, which never get replaced. You could be a ranger, or beastlord, who use abyss items at tier13. Or an enchanter, who uses mosquito gloves till monstercity, or a wizard who uses MW bracer till taeshlin. Lets end this discussion before abyss loot gets brought to slaariels attention and nerfed horrifically
 
boots should be nerfed as there is gear tiers ahead of it and only marginally better.
 
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