Rogue Call Tome

D

Draeos

Dalayan Elder
Against my better judgment i'm posting this idea.

Tome of Trapping, Well traps are fun they are by far not even 1/20th of our dps used on max timer with max skill.

On the other hand evading lets us dps to our full 20/20 without dieing, With all this complaining about paly single target aggro no ones brought up that....ITS THE ROGUES WHO ARE THE ONES DIEING!!!

I purpose that this class tome be changed into a inate hide mod +15 +20 +25 along the same lines of progression as the dodging class tome. and number 2 could bring our skill to max as my base is 200.

When we engage a mob if my first evade doesn't work and it isn't,
A) A SK
B) Fuwok
C) I was afk for 2 min then engaged
I pull aggro on my 3rd backstab, at that point i have tried to evade atleast 2 if not 3 times failing all 3 now i'm dead and now the palys are QQing about there single target aggro.

Anyway something to think about feel free to pick this idea apart.
 
I would rather see more gear with +hide

Also when I pull aggro (which is often because I am dumb), I have heal clickies and Escape to deal with it...I imagine having Taeshlin's escapeboots would be awesome as well

IN SHORT I don't think we need Tome of Trapping changed to +hide but I must say the last time I did any trapping which was a couple months ago maybe I crashed the zone has that been changed?
 
Ive got the boots but wtf does that do your not rooted, I have the lifetap clickies but thats only 2-5 rounds of melee and burning escape cuz evade failed is just awful. And blast traps still crash zones the rest are fine.

Edit: And i am talking about turning faceraping mobs BQ named 6 man bosses and the like stuff that totaly plows, as a rogue your not horribly squishy and can take the melee enough for your healer to be like o rogue needs a heal.
 
Last edited:
lol i never looked up the effect on the boots i just assumed it was a free Escape

also if you are doing Nameds then you need to simply be smarter with aggro control not trying to be mean it's just the truth
 
if you are really worried about beginning engage just use /s 5 for reduced aggro for the first min or so, by then the tank will have enough aggro to sustain chain fail evades ect.
but i will agree the trapping tome seems rather lackluster as most the traps are either broken (dont work or crash zones) or just dont do enough damage to warrant doing a class tome (which if anything like other class tomes) take forever to complete

but also keep in mind other classes also get semi bland tomes like rangers get trackmaster so would be unfair for ours to get changed and others keep less useful ones no?
 
Last edited:
your not max codex nor do you have shanker or crit strike tomes or any of that =/ i am really good at evading at max timer it just isn't a reliable means of dropping aggro. So yes you could be "smarter" with your aggro meaning you turn off attack stop backstabing till you get a good evade off just sitting there mashing hide till it works this is a garbage way to deal with aggro.

Hey lets stop attacking because your dps is to good for this tank...Thats the by far worst way to control aggro ever.

Yeah i have given thought to using that stance i'll give it a go tonight but still evading is so unreliable.
 
Draeos said:
your not max codex nor do you have shanker or crit strike tomes or any of that =/ i am really good at evading at max timer it just isn't a reliable means of dropping aggro. So yes you could be "smarter" with your aggro meaning you turn off attack stop backstabing till you get a good evade off just sitting there mashing hide till it works this is a garbage way to deal with aggro.

Hey lets stop attacking because your dps is to good for this tank...Thats the by far worst way to control aggro ever.

Yeah i have given thought to using that stance i'll give it a go tonight but still evading is so unreliable.
Click to expand...

Just eyeballing it I would be surprised if your DPS is more than 20% greater than mine, and given your lack of piercing mod as well as offense mod (normally +25 and +9 for me, also check out the accuracy difference with a parser) I think it is more likely than not closer to 15%. With the ridiculous aggro reduction that evasion brings in battle I really don't think you are playing a different game than I am when it comes to DPSing as a rogue -- so don't hide behind your tomes and weapon to say that I don't know what I'm talking about (because yes that is pretty much what you are saying).

Think of evasion failure as being something similar to resists as a wizard
 
phroggonalog said:
Just eyeballing it I would be surprised if your DPS is more than 20% greater than mine, and given your lack of piercing mod as well as offense mod (normally +25 and +9 for me, also check out the accuracy difference with a parser) I think it is more likely than not closer to 15%. With the ridiculous aggro reduction that evasion brings in battle I really don't think you are playing a different game than I am when it comes to DPSing as a rogue -- so don't hide behind your tomes and weapon to say that I don't know what I'm talking about (because yes that is pretty much what you are saying).

Think of evasion failure as being something similar to resists as a wizard
Click to expand...

snip snap

real talk : traps are bad and pretty much useless, the vah gave you a cool one and it never got updated afaik and none of the awesome thinkmeats ideas happened :( I want my knockback and root trap where is it at.
 
Entropy .823 No Proc Deamonsheer horrible proc.8 // Shanker .86 eh proc Cane .86 amazing proc

Focus Effects
6% Fire focus Both have
Damage inc 6 18% vs 0% win draeos
4% Magic focus vs 0% win draeos
Worn acumen both

Tomes
CoP 4.4% to damage about Rykke // 20% to damage Draeos
2% more crit strike win me

45% haste vs 38% haste win me.

id go on but then i would just be e-peening, sorry your 2% to accuracy doesn't come close to getting you to my dps. So yes i generate a-lot more aggro than you.
 
Last edited:
I would like to point out that most of the time when i'm losing aggro in a group, it's to a rogue with multiple evade fails in a row.

I think this is a really cool suggestion, especially since most of the rogues iv'e talked to are viewing that trap tome as low prioirty.
 
Draeos said:
Entropy .823 No Proc Deamonsheer horrible proc.8 // Shanker .86 eh proc Cane .86 amazing proc

Focus Effects
6% Fire focus Both have
Damage inc 6 18% vs 0% win draeos
4% Magic focus vs 0% win draeos
Worn acumen both

Tomes
CoP 4.4% to damage about Rykke // 20% to damage Draeos
2% more crit strike win me

45% haste vs 38% haste win me.

id go on but then i would just be e-peening, sorry your 2% to accuracy doesn't come close to getting you to my dps. So yes i generate a-lot more aggro than you.
Click to expand...

Too late, you are epeening (although I admit I forgot the haste heh)

Fomelo Matix -- on raids I used to routinely parse within 10% of him, and depending on backstabs I would beat him. The point I'm trying to make here is not who does more DPS, but that my DPS is high enough (I have touched 900 before, and I wouldn't be surprised if have touched above 1k) that yes, I actually DO face the same aggro issues that you do, and as a fellow rogue I am saying that when it comes to failed evasions I just deal with it. I do not think a tome for additional hide should be pursued, I think that gear with +hide is a better solution in that people may or may not make a choice to attain said gear at a sacrifice of other gear
 
tome or gear, there needs to be some way to make evade more reliable we can all agree on this.

and since traps are about 99.99999999999% useless, this seemed like a good place to put it.

and that was i'll admit a shameless epeen
 
Last edited:
one problem i have faced is that -aggression gear can be a pain to get sometimes. my currant gear has me at flat 0
out of the items i "know of and want" i can easily get back to good -agg lvls but my luck is terribad on obtaining these illusive items.
regardless even at 0 - agg i manage to stay alive on raids 85% of the time by using stance 5 as needed or just turning off attack or holding back on backstabs until i get a hide success, it hurts to lose dps doing so but i live by my motto "a dead dps is 0 dps)
 
well i agree that yes you can throttle your dps back and yes a not dead dps is a dps that is still dpsing, its an ugly way to deal with it and would be amazing if there was a better way to deal with it
 
Draeos said:
well i agree that yes you can throttle your dps back and yes a not dead dps is a dps that is still dpsing, its an ugly way to deal with it and would be amazing if there was a better way to deal with it
Click to expand...

I respectfully disagree, sometimes you get the cards dealt right and well sometimes you don't
 
I disrespectfully disagree and agree with both of you.

I personally like the tome idea, but as both of you have said, it would be really cool to see more items or a tome with a hide mod for rogue to decrease the chances of failing evade. I know they can just turn off their dps, but I really think a little bump to evade through mods is really in line.
 
Magina said:
I disrespectfully disagree and agree with both of you.

I personally like the tome idea, but as both of you have said, it would be really cool to see more items or a tome with a hide mod for rogue to decrease the chances of failing evade. I know they can just turn off their dps, but I really think a little bump to evade through mods is really in line.
Click to expand...

Right but with -10% aggro mods, +25 hide mod through new gear, and additionally a tome with a bump to hide I could see a rogue becoming just too automatic...if there was either a tome OR gear with +hide slapped on I think that would be cool but I do not think there should be both, and I personally believe that gear sacrifices should be made to attain a +25 hide mod rather than a tome grinded out to get a similar benefit
 
i will put forth a minor spoiler and say that ther IS one pretty high end item with a hide mod on it that ive seen so far (im not talking about cloak from anos) and its one of my most highly sought after items but getting people to kill it is aids.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom