Rhythm of the Blademaster

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Dalayan Adventurer
So I have been thinking about this tome since I got back to grinding on it. I personally like this tome as it expands a bards ability to melee more proficiently at times. The thing I do not like about it, is it's limitation to just Song of the Blademaster.

I would like to suggest/request a change that would provide either/or/and...

1) If a bard is playing a haste/overhaste song, the effects of Rhythm of the Blademaster are triggered.

2)If a bard is playing a haste/overhaste song, all bards in group/raid gain benefit from the effect of the tome.(Makes sense logistically, why would a bard get into the rhythm ONLY if he/she were playing the song) Also kinda silly watching two bards play song of the blademaster to try to perform some melee dps tbh.

3) At the very least if two bards are in a group allow song of the blademaster sung by one bard to cause the tome effect on both.

I personally don't see how changing this tome to cause the same effect on all overhaste/haste songs would break/overpower anything, but provide versatility and prevent redundancy. Song of the Blademaster is already great for melee groups, but for times where fiery warcry is more beneficial I would like to see this tome be something for bards to fall back on.

Thanks!
 
2)If a bard is playing a haste/overhaste song, all bards in group/raid gain benefit from the effect of the tome.(Makes sense logistically, why would a bard get into the rhythm ONLY if he/she were playing the song) Also kinda silly watching two bards play song of the blademaster to try to perform some melee dps tbh.

Cool idea
 
i think this tome is fine, it is really very good and having to sacrifice other songs to get the benefit i think with well worth it. Also of course the bards' groups getting the song get a bonus, so its not like two bards playing blademaster is a total waste (assuming they arn't in the same group). obviously you would never see a single bard using blademaster in a raid, but then its a nice bonus of you can make room for two.

not to mention you can always play blademaster when xping, or during some 6man content.

edit: also expanding it to overhaste would be way too much even if it only triggered for the bard playing overhaste. the tome is not ment to give a permanent full time buff to bard melee. which is basically what it would be doing if it triggered off of overhaste.
 
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While I do see you point of blademaster being a good song, and is played quite frequently in raid/group/6man. I just would think that 2.5% chance to flurry with mainhand only for one song is lacking for the cost of 80aa's per rank. Adding it to overhaste/other haste songs the bard plays I do feel would provide the proper boost for this class tome.

Adding it to overhaste wouldn't really effect anything as a bard can just as easily play fiery/blademaster to gain the same benefit. As I said, it's just to promote versatility and prevent redundancy. Especially in situations where more then one bard is active.

I do not see reason, even if it caused a permanent boost to bards melee capabilities as comparing it to other class tomes that do provide that permanent boost to their capabilities. Whether it be healing/melee dps/ds/mana regen/base nuke damage etc. I honestly feel this would put this tome from being a neat perk, to being inline with other tomes for classes of cost vs effect.
 
Although not really up to me at this point, as the designer of this tome I would rather not see other songs added to its functionality and I also do not want to see it work for bards who do not have Blademaster as part of their personal melody.

I honestly think the tome is fine.
 
as the designer of this tome

You made the most boring tomes and now I know who's to blame!

1: meditate
I hate this so much, mana should be a none issue on a bard, to have a class tome devoted to sitting around is so lame and not very bard like. Being able to med while standing/moving at a reduced rate would be cooler and more bard like.

2: Blademaster
Awsome! Bard can melee and actually hurt something, to bad you can only use it when you solo/duo farm which is really really fun (not) def worth farming months of exp for(not).

3: Bonus dmg below 15%
again boring and largely useless for exping/farming as things get gibbed around that hp, ok for raiding and at least it sort of has something to do with music/bardiness.

The three ultimate tomes for bards are super boring and largely useless, combined with the boring/useless runics(which im not sure you made) are a big reason why I have no desire to exp/progress/play any more, they are really just not exciting at all. You are not a very creative person, shame on you for making bards lame and your desire to keep them lame.

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I also do not want to see it work for bards who do not have Blademaster as part of their personal melody

"I don't want more than 1 bard in a raid...ever"
Hater.
 
You made the most boring tomes and now I know who's to blame!

1: meditate
I hate this so much, mana should be a none issue on a bard, to have a class tome devoted to sitting around is so lame and not very bard like. Being able to med while standing/moving at a reduced rate would be cooler and more bard like.

2: Blademaster
Awsome! Bard can melee and actually hurt something, to bad you can only use it when you solo/duo farm which is really really fun (not) def worth farming months of exp for(not).

3: Bonus dmg below 15%
again boring and largely useless for exping/farming as things get gibbed around that hp, ok for raiding and at least it sort of has something to do with music/bardiness.

The three ultimate tomes for bards are super boring and largely useless, combined with the boring/useless runics(which im not sure you made) are a big reason why I have no desire to exp/progress/play any more, they are really just not exciting at all. You are not a very creative person, shame on you for making bards lame and your desire to keep them lame.

also



"I don't want more than 1 bard in a raid...ever"
Hater.

Devs make the most boring tomes, 2 of my druid tome lines don't do anything but take up bank space
 
You made the most boring tomes and now I know who's to blame!
The three ultimate tomes for bards are super boring and largely useless, combined with the boring/useless runics(which im not sure you made) are a big reason why I have no desire to exp/progress/play any more, they are really just not exciting at all. You are not a very creative person, shame on you for making bards lame and your desire to keep them lame.
Bard runic2 is amazing, and all 3 of the tomes are really good. Pretty much every bard i know loves blademaster tome. If you have no desire to progress your character, that is a personal problem and has nothing to do with the class. Also, if you are calling Marza not creative, you have obviously never done his content, which is probably the funnest content in the game, and one of the reasons i like raiding is because of his encounters.
 
You made the most boring tomes and now I know who's to blame!

1: meditate
I hate this so much, mana should be a none issue on a bard, to have a class tome devoted to sitting around is so lame and not very bard like. Being able to med while standing/moving at a reduced rate would be cooler and more bard like.

2: Blademaster
Awsome! Bard can melee and actually hurt something, to bad you can only use it when you solo/duo farm which is really really fun (not) def worth farming months of exp for(not).

3: Bonus dmg below 15%
again boring and largely useless for exping/farming as things get gibbed around that hp, ok for raiding and at least it sort of has something to do with music/bardiness.

The three ultimate tomes for bards are super boring and largely useless, combined with the boring/useless runics(which im not sure you made) are a big reason why I have no desire to exp/progress/play any more, they are really just not exciting at all. You are not a very creative person, shame on you for making bards lame and your desire to keep them lame.

also



"I don't want more than 1 bard in a raid...ever"
Hater.

I don't normally take time out of my busy day (lol) to make fun of bad players on the forums but as you are not only bad but exceptionally ignorant I decided to make an exception.

Let me start off by saying that Bards were given the "do not directly buff" through tome flag by the dev team seeing as they are already one of the most versatile and powerful additions to anything and everything in the game. Now that you know that it might explain why the tomes either are very small or are only situational buffs.

1. I didn't even make the mana regen tome so you are a walrus.

2. This tome is awesome thank you very much but only sometimes, as intended. The melee dps increase from this tome is actually rather substantial when it is being used but not large enough so to mean that a bard would be forced to play it if they wanted to perform at their best in a raid. Because that would be pretty dumb as would just giving it to the bard to have up 100% of the time regardless of what they played given the above caveat. Still a nice addition to when the situation arises to use the song, which if you are not a complete idiot, is more than never.

3. I actually made this tome too and it goes against everything the above caveat entailed. Why? Because this tome is absolutely phenomenal, the fact you don't think so is enough justification for me to know you are either a). a troll or b). so incredibly bad and unknowledgeable of this game that I can't imagine why on earth anyone would gather feedback from you. Bards should be thankful they were even given this tome in the first place. Sure its pretty boring but so are 80% (tbh closer to 99%) of tomes.

As for your witty one liner at the end of your post. I have no idea how you even jumped to that conclusion (actually I do, you're an idiot) but, no.
 
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i am adding no value to this thread because everything marza already said is right

crescendo is amazing #1 good tome i dont understand how anyone could ever think otherwise.

also we had multiple bards in our raid tonight so i got to play blademaster it was a good time and i showed up a lot of other dps.
 
Since you don't have any runics let me help you out with those. The runic 2 is simply hands down the best spell for an xp party or a raid. It is not what is listed on the wiki or what you think that it was. It is in fact a string dot, with an ac reduction component and -poison resistance. Once you have it you do not leave home without it.
The hp regen portion was made into another spell when og came out but has since been nerfed into extinction to the point where 500 mana for the minimal hp it gives is useless.

As far as runic 1, that spell is kind of meh sure, but it has its uses and can be very powerful if/when given the opportunity.

We have the best tomes out of any class though, as regasin made this post about there are some tweaks that would be awesome but like others have pointed out, we are a pretty amazing class. Not to beat a dead horse, all of our relics are better than any other class from the start, and over time, even out with other classes. Where they may not be fun for you, everyone that you group with will love you for having them. I cant say any other class gets that luxury.

I think people are only calling you out because you are speaking out of lack of experience.
 
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3) At the very least if two bards are in a group allow song of the blademaster sung by one bard to cause the tome effect on both.
Thanks!

This seems like a reasonable request. Still situational and all that stuff Marza said.

As for the other Bard Tomes:

Quiet Reflection is a puzzler. I don't get it... Maybe I am being bad and missing something but this is just about the lamest tome.

Crescendo: Anyone who says this is bad has unrealistic expectations and/or is dumb. It would be cool if the damage increase scaled up as hps were lower (ahem, crescendo) or kicked in a bit higher than 15%, but is not bad as it is by any stretch.
 
Quiet Reflection is a puzzler. I don't get it... Maybe I am being bad and missing something but this is just about the lamest tome.

It allows bards to have an increased meditate skill and benefits from, where if you don't have it you are capped out at 130. So the significance of this is that bards get to regen mana faster while medding than they normally would just for doing this tome. While it may appear lame, its actually quite nice.
 
Since you don't have any runics let me help you out with those. The runic 2 is simply hands down the best spell for an xp party or a raid. It is not what is listed on the wiki or what you think that it was. It is in fact a string dot, with an ac reduction component and -poison resistance. Once you have it you do not leave home without it.
The hp regen portion was made into another spell when og came out but has since been nerfed into extinction to the point where 500 mana for the minimal hp it gives is useless.

As far as runic 1, that spell is kind of meh sure, but it has its uses and can be very powerful if/when given the opportunity.

We have the best tomes out of any class though, as regasin made this post about there are some tweaks that would be awesome but like others have pointed out, we are a pretty amazing class. Not to beat a dead horse, all of our relics are better than any other class from the start, and over time, even out with other classes. Where they may not be fun for you, everyone that you group with will love you for having them. I cant say any other class gets that luxury.

I think people are only calling you out because you are speaking out of lack of experience.

I didn't know about the runic 2 change, that is exactly what I wanted it to be, I thought it was weird that bards are forced to use a lvl 63 spell while being giving a silly runic but that sounds amazing.

I stand by calling the tomes boring and uncreative and don't care about their power, its just my opinion, no need to get so upset over it. If you are going to make them weak you can at least add a cool effect to it and make it at least interesting or exciting. To someone with 50 tomes maybe the prospect of mana regen is very exciting or a almost not pathetic melee dps 3% of your play time but for someone 3/5 done with CoP grinding all that exp so I can get mana slightly quicker is not cool. I have no interest in doing it, I don't know why that upsets you but I'm telling you why its stupid.

Plenty of classes don't have tomes yet... they have been out over 2 years? If bards or OP why dont other classes have tomes yet? Are you to stupid to think of some dev mirza? I think tomes are lame in general but if you really think using 3+ years of you life grinding is worth some mana regen AKA sitting for ~15-30 sec less every once in a while(While other classes will probably need to sit longer anyway so you just stand there waiting for the monk to spilt something for a few min, good thing ive been at full mana for 4min now!)

I think almost any after CoP are boring, how do you people really not see why your server is dying? You have invented 2 absolutely insane grinds(charms and exp), one is something never used in a raid and the other is regen...The one class that is not supposed to be mana reliant has a CLASS TOME to regen it faster seems dumb and you are literally insane if you think a not insane person is willing to invest themselves into doing so much for so little in a old old game(I guess I have never seen mirza content because none of the raiding I have done has been amazing and I have raided everything T9 and under. I guess he made the T11+ content? Way to go, 20 people have seen it, you must be proud of all that work. (LOL delete thaz now that I farmed the shit out of it). This game is mind numbing slow and getting slower, farming 1mil to get a charm...I could probably make 1mil real dollars with that kind of dedication, time and commitment... Make the bard turn into a wisp when hes reneging at least give it flavor.

You make years worth of farming content but maybe ~5 exp zones that are decent exp/money for any decent group, killing in kea or fr or bq for 2 years so I can maybe someday join a guild if I own a charm that proves I've sat around as long as you but actually they have nerfed EVERY SINGLE EXP AND CASH ZONE so it is not easier as time passes but harder and much much longer to now attain said charm and tomes. Any guild need a bard? (Guess what none do because there are a ton of them) Ok so I solo farm myself 15tomes, I get the joy of playing with people so nice as Mirza? what a treat! I read all over the forums how "You dont need CoP till T10" I have ~3 done and I can't even join a t8 guild even though I have T9 loot why? Because there are a ton of bards and no one uses 3 in a raid,(Our convo went like this "What classes are you recruiting? a dps and a cleric. I have a bard and a cleric. Main the cleric? ...." My cleric has 200aa and they would rather have it than a 3CoP bard because they are not a dps class(I feel so OP).

3 in a raid? much less 2, typical setup is 1 when it is or was one of the most played class. Fuck grinding millions of EXP for mana regen, that should be a mage or cleric tome and if bard is so OP that mana balances it maybe think of something new and clever for bards so we are more than a musicbot that is THE LOWEST of the dps, keep telling yourself they are super OP but solo/duo grinding with one is slower than any other dps infact (Dont dare say "but bards dont have to stop for mana" Then why do we have a mana regen asshole?) I really don't know how the top players are ok with all the horribly boring tomes that exist and haven't demanding something interesting and worth investing insane amounts of time in, so people with tomes get way stronger? Make content way stronger! Whoa. Each tome is like grinding all of my AA again but it makes little difference.

anyway I don't care about what ~20 delusional assholes think about me, I'm going back to LoL peace (Although I quoted you none of this was directed at you emerica <3)

Edit: Why there are not more Nadox esq exp/cash zones and more zones like Cmal? its unreal. Progression should be about skill not years invested, make it so an intelligent group can get crazy exp without gear and every few tiers unlock a new one for a boost in exp/difficulty, this would let people progress exp wise based on skill and gear and scale into the retarded grind that tomes now are by the time they reached end game they would be good players instead of fat/bored players.
 
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You should be lucky as a bard you actually have 3 class tomes. Bards are an immensely powerful class, and can actually parse pretty well if they do it right. Bards are desired for literally EVERY encounter in the game. Crescendo and Blademaster are both sick tomes and any other class would gladly take either one of them. Alot of the class tomes are pretty cool (True Giant anyone?) and i think that the blademaster and crescendo things are cool musicy flavored named tome things.

Calling out Dev Mirza(lol) on being too stupid to make new tomes is dumb. Do you not see the threads feeding ideas to make tomes? Nobody has been given the "Okay, put in a tome for class X" flag yet.

Bards are not the lowest DPS or worst duoing class, Pre-AoD enchanter dps is pretty weak and so is enchanter duoing. I would post parses of bards outparsing "real" dps classes but thats not something i have permission to do.

As for making bards wisp while they regen mana, wisp model might not load in every zone so in some zones you get the flavor of looking like a naked human.

Your post seems ill-informed and lacking information and thats what people are calling you out on
 
Because there are a ton of bards and no one uses 3 in a raid

this is more a factor of the general bard player being poor at their class and guilds generalizing all bards based off of this inaccurate portrayal. Two bards in a raid can be really good assuming they both know what they are doing. No one really uses three of any class other than a cleric but, that is a entirely different issue.

although based on your opinions of tomes and how the class is played, you may fall into that general bard category and that is too bad for you.
 
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