Revisiting downtime

Personally I think taking the mana regen preventer off death effects would be awesome. Even if it meant that you can't do clickies until DFX fade. Hell, half the raid goes AFK waiting for DFX to wear off anyway.

That would cut down the med time/down time, yet still make wiping a "punishment" and prevent zerging.
 
Sounds like Lifeward clickie wouldn't work with silence. I doubt thats a good thing even if you can med back some mana during res effects.
 
Sounds like Lifeward clickie wouldn't work with silence. I doubt thats a good thing even if you can med back some mana during res effects.

Pretty much, this among other things means => pretty much the same to a worse system, not any sort of improvement.
 
By this logic we should also get rid of meaningful death penalties because they're just discouragement instead of encouragement.

I was simply stating that your logic was flawed in saying penalties encourage better play, as they do not. If you read my whole post I stated that without any penalties the game is not fun either. Thats what this thread is about balancing the penalties so they are somewhere below extreme frustration and somewhere above trivial.
 
Yeah, I'd be fine with switching the mana regen preventer on death effects to a (spell only) silence, I'm not opposed to making downtime a bit less of a hassle but the tone of this thread was that it should take 5 minutes from a wipe to a new attempt which is just stupid.

This would help but then rezzes would have to not reduce your mana to 0. On most wipes where you don't camp someone out it takes more than the death effects duration to get back to the zone. Also, it would be really really important that the silence exclude 0 mana spells such as AAs and clickies for many many many reasons.

Also, 5 minutes isn't really reasonable not because it's too short but because there are very few zones you could get back to with everyone rezzed in that amount of time. Taking mana regen entirely out of the equation cuts about 8 minutes (not counting buffing) off your wipe time.

edit: I also want to add some comments about the idea allielyn is supporting. It's not just that the suggestion helps raid downtime; of all of them it's one of the smallest changes, but this suggestion would also help the weakest grouping classes out which they are probably due.
 
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A silence on death effects would just make recovery longer, as players would have to wait for death effects to fade, THEN port, THEN rez, THEN med to full, instead of all of those things happening at once.

Meditative trance either restoring more mana each tick, or restoring a percentage of your mana would be ideal, but have the most impact on things outside of the scope of raid downtime. A recourse after death effects that helps restore mana, or a single burst of X% or Y# mana would work just as well, and limit the impact to just wipes/rezzes.
 
That only matters if you're rezzing after death effects have worn off. Or, it can be added as an effect to rez spells.
 
Correct me if im wrong but the whole debate would be gone if you could mana regen when in DF? And since you can't do nothing but run and clickies in DF, it's viable... no ?
 
Not if a silence was added, which means you couldn't use clickies, including rez/port necks.
 
Because there is absolutely no way to code around this.

Anyway, the Dev team has had all of these ideas before many times, believe me. Any idea that will reduce downtime is just going to be vetoed.

Why on Earth would you take time to write, alter and debug code when you could just add a few numbers to the recourse ID area of some spells? Do you enjoy the difficult route?

And besides, Wiz explicitly stated a silence that would include click based effects. But hey, I guess you've gotten better at Being Jaded! (185)
 
[10:38] <Wiz> now tell people to stop invoking me please
[10:38] <Wiz> i left the reins to wold and allie
[10:38] <Xardon> who are these people you speak of
[10:38] <Wiz> and also the player base doesnt get to vote yes or no on tweaks
[10:39] <Ikaa|SickYums> but we luvs you
[10:39] <Wiz> tell them to suck it

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Good example. "I'm not in charge but I'm going to tell you what to do."

I get it. Wold and Allie land. One is, gasp, voiceing her approval of an idea, the other hardly has anything constructive to say. Sounds like a sure case of a shot down idea. Meanwhile, the former owner, head admin and design guru, who is deffo not in charge, at all, steps in from his busy day to give his dissent on some ideas, and his consent on others, sounding EXACTLY like he's the one shooting ideas down, but is going to make something happen, and is, in fact, in charge. Only he's not.

Bottom line is, something is broken, and needs fixed. One head admin approves of an idea, or is in favor of it. But yet they're all being 'shot down' by someone. For some reason we aren't privvy to. That's fine too, but you are all creative enough to come up with something better than the current system.
 
Man relax. I think the science pie was the right tone.

We've dealt with this shit for how many years? You don't even raid!
 
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