bud, if thats not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.
Request regarding Screamstrike
- Thread starter Dinadass
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bud, if thats not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.
Diodimus
Dalayan Elder
Regardless, you have contributed nothing to the conversation. You know you are annoying when you bring me, someone always arguing with jade, to his defense.
That aside, about the only mob I have personal experience with listed is Silver, who is essentially a joke mob for his tier. However, there are a few things that separate the two weapons. The stats on screamstrike are a lot more beneficial to the classes that can use it than the stats on Bone Sabre. The proc is much better. A DD and debuf >> 44 necropet that will die quickly without contributing any real dps.
Are those differences large enough to justify the lower ratio for a weapon 2 tiers higher? Pry not. Do keep in mind though, every tier has its lack-luster loot. Maybe this is one of those items?
Maybe you cant understand..that its not this weapon thats underpowered, so much as its the new weapons that might be over powered. This weapon was wtfsuppwn several years ago, and continues to be..especially for monks who need to tank, or warriors that dont yet have hate generating agro weapons with ratio nearly as good.
The problem I foresee with dealing with this weapon ( because it's in the top middle of the list as far as upgrades are concerned ) is the domino effect it might cause on other weapons as far as rebalancing is concerned. I really don't think raising the DMG ratio is the way to go. Gharontosh is obsolete as of now and giving his weapon a boost is meh meh.
Rari
Game Master
Well, you know I don't edit the raid tiers for anything but formatting, but raid tiers is going to be seeing some more action soon anyway so maybe we should talk. You know where to find me.
Dinadass
Dalayan Pious Diety
It isn't in the top middle of the list. Look at the list of weapons. It is significantly worse than items from tiers 6 and 7, and also from other tier 8 weapons. Seriously, look at the last page, and look at the ratios. I even bolded them for you. I'm not responding to you any more beyond this, it's like talking to a two year old.
Emerica
Dalayan Elder
Its a pretty solid weapon for the tier and difficulity. Theres so many options anyways just like armor some things are better than others, this is one of those things i guess just like every raid encounter mob has hit or miss loot in contrast to other things in its tier range higher or lower. Im sick of seeing it rot though, wish bards could use it, i think it looks cool 
Salarus
Dalayan Master
In all honesty, unless you're using overtiered chars or are fed a strat, Ghar isn't a cake walk for a progressing guild. Yea, the recourse is pretty awsome for a rogue, but I think the OP brings up a good point that this weapon is slightly out of whack ratio wise with progression for the listed classes.
Since the weapon is geared towards DPS, I don't think it would be much of an issue to add on a couple crit strike, or just rework the dmg/delay to a .82 or so ratio.
Since the weapon is geared towards DPS, I don't think it would be much of an issue to add on a couple crit strike, or just rework the dmg/delay to a .82 or so ratio.
Slaariel
*The Only Real Life Girl Dev*
Thread really highlights the problem of using tiers to argue for loot.. many of the items listed as comparisons are from zone/wing bosses (in some cases extremely difficult to unlock zone bosses) and gharontosh hard easy or whatever is Just Another Dragon in a Zone Full of Dragons. Another problem is that well if all those weapons are better and easier to get, why not just fill up on those great easy-to-get weapons instead of arguing decimal points?
I am pretty sure that fists are itemized differently than other weapons. Fists typically will have a superior ratio to other weapons dropped by the same boss/tier. (This probably has something to do with keeping h2h weapons as viable options for dps with the availability of elemental dmg gloves with use of bare fists. Or maybe I am wrong.)
I think it is safe to say a lot of your comparisons are not valid, as many of those weapons don't have the same application (tanking/hate generation vs. dps) and are from different zones/zone bosses and the tier list is not accurate.
Cyzaine
Staff Emeritus
Correct. H2H weapons that are monk usable HAVE to beat the ratio of level 65 fists (.722 pre spec bonus), which means that the ratios start out really good and get better (probably unevenly so, but thats another discussion). Comparing multi-class usable non h2h weapons to them is somewhat unfair.
This is what I was trying to say but i got the flames.
Boehm
Dalayan Elder
I wonder how belittling the OP would incite that.
Dinadass
Dalayan Pious Diety
Each of the other 5 tier 8 weapons listed are DPS weapons, and the only tank weapon I listed at all was Patriarch, which drops from an easier, earlier boss in the same zone and still has nearly identical ratio, despite DPS being insignificant for a warrior offhand compared to aggro generation.
Screamstrike relegated to my bank I guess. Just seems lame for guilds progressing through prison to get a cool weapon that will most likely be insta rot status.
Screamstrike relegated to my bank I guess. Just seems lame for guilds progressing through prison to get a cool weapon that will most likely be insta rot status.
