Request regarding Screamstrike

[Dinadass]

Screamstrike, Baton of the Forlorn
17dmg 21dly +1 magic damage
8str 8sta 12dex 18cha 125hp
Effect: Mental Scream (Combat)
WAR MNK ROG BST

This drops from Gharontosh in Inner Prison, a tier 8 target. The base ratio on Screamstrike is .8095, although with the +1 magic damage it is slightly better, but definitely not as good as an actual 1 more real damage would be (And probably worse than any other elemental damage, since magic is generally the highest mob resist).

These weapons are also from tier 8 targets:

Flame-forged Longblade- 18/21 (.8571)
Flamestrike Mace- 23/27 (.8519)
Longblade of Phantasmal Frost- 19/23 (.8261) +1 cold damage
Claw of the God Fiend- 20/22 (.9091) +1 bane humanoid +5 h2h
Fist of Solid Ice- 19/21 (.9048) +1 cold damage

Here are some lower tier weapons:

Patriarch- 24/30 .8 ratio, from Yashira (Easy tier 7)
Entropy- 14/17 .8235 ratio, from Clockwork (Joke of a tier 7)
Wardfist- 22/26 .8462 ratio, from Taeshlin (Middle tier 7)
Crosier of Immaculate Judgement- 13/16 .8125 ratio, from CoMercy (Tier 5-6)
Fist of Chaos- 17/21 .8095 ratio, from DotO (tier 6)
Bone Sabre- 15/18 .8333 ratio, from Silver (Easy tier 6)

You can also consider

Funeral Guardian's Tonfa from Cmal 4, 20/23 .8696 ratio
Hand of the Righteous from ED Maps, 18/21 .8571 +2 bane undead

Basically, Screamstrike is an item from one of the harder tier 8 targets, with a ratio worse than some tier 6 items. I honestly don't know a single active player who uses a Screamstrike. I'm requesting that the weapon be bumped to have a similar ratio to other tier 8 weapons, either by adding 1 base weapon damage, dropping the delay by 1, or adding more magic damage. While the recourse from the proc is decent, the 5 mana regen is useless for 3 of the 4 classes who can use it, and BSTs rarely use onehanders since they have higher h2h weapon skill. The item itself also has no resists, crit, etc. which many of the above weapons have. It's unique proc can off-set that, but it's inferior ratio means the weapon as it currently stands is decidedly sub par.

 

[BranFlakes]

My rogue Branadan uses it!
Just replace the fishing net with it.
Oh wait, you said active... syduck:

 

[Untasid]

the +atk recourse from screamstrike more than makes up for the lower ratio compared to some other weapons you linked* but honestly i would not consider gharontosh a tough tier 8 target. not even close. screamstrike always seemed pretty damn good to me.

*from a rogue perspective

 

[Jotigidou]

Screamstrike is fine. The actual mob is not tough, and compared to the other T8 weapons you linked, it's even more apparent.

Also most of the weapons you compared it with should not even be compared, like patriarch or flamestrike mace...

And what exactly do you mean by « one of the harder T8 targets » ? lol ?

 

[Otcho]

The only thing wrong with screamstrike is it has no resists.

Tryfaen uses it.

 

[Jotigidou]

The only thing wrong with screamstrike is it has no resists.

Tryfaen uses it.

Most weapon wearable by rangers and other sword-wielding DPS classes don't get good resists so I don't foresee this being changed to more than like 15-18 points of resists.

 

[Dinadass]

Well Gharontosh is about even with the lower thaz nameds other than the fire wing, in my experience. PoFrost is a little easier, and the tier 8 ToT nameds are definitely easier.

Assuming +atk increases melée dps fairly linearly, the recourse proc does definitely not add enough dps to offset the ratio. +35 atk according to the parser... that's less than a 1% dps increase. I'm basing this off of my parses with other weapons with and without GoG, so if GoG doesn't scale the same as other +atk I might be wrong, but I've never seen anything to suggest otherwise.

Jade, why shouldn't it be compared to flamestrike mace? They're both 1hb weapons from tier 8 targets. Patriarch is a better offhand for warriors than screamstrike, although they do serve different purposes.

Basically, as I posted earlier, I don't think that the proc on screamstrike compensates for a ratio worse than a tier 6 1hb.

 

[War2U]

Well Gharontosh is about even with the lower thaz nameds other than the fire wing, in my experience. PoFrost is a little easier, and the tier 8 ToT nameds are definitely easier.

Assuming +atk increases melée dps fairly linearly, the recourse proc does definitely not add enough dps to offset the ratio. +35 atk according to the parser... that's less than a 1% dps increase. I'm basing this off of my parses with other weapons with and without GoG, so if GoG doesn't scale the same as other +atk I might be wrong, but I've never seen anything to suggest otherwise.

Jade, why shouldn't it be compared to flamestrike mace? They're both 1hb weapons from tier 8 targets. Patriarch is a better offhand for warriors than screamstrike, although they do serve different purposes.

Basically, as I posted earlier, I don't think that the proc on screamstrike compensates for a ratio worse than a tier 6 1hb.

Dude, didn't you know, Jade KNOWS ALL, about every class, and every item in the game, you SIR GOT SERVED.

 

[Jotigidou]

Well Gharontosh is about even with the lower thaz nameds other than the fire wing, in my experience. PoFrost is a little easier, and the tier 8 ToT nameds are definitely easier.

Assuming +atk increases melée dps fairly linearly, the recourse proc does definitely not add enough dps to offset the ratio. +35 atk according to the parser... that's less than a 1% dps increase. I'm basing this off of my parses with other weapons with and without GoG, so if GoG doesn't scale the same as other +atk I might be wrong, but I've never seen anything to suggest otherwise.

Jade, why shouldn't it be compared to flamestrike mace? They're both 1hb weapons from tier 8 targets. Patriarch is a better offhand for warriors than screamstrike, although they do serve different purposes.

Basically, as I posted earlier, I don't think that the proc on screamstrike compensates for a ratio worse than a tier 6 1hb.

PoFrost is not easier than IP.
And Lower Thaz is not easier either.

Flamestrike should not compared to gharontosh weapon because they are not in the same zone, the difficulty is not even close. I personally think screamstrike is still a viable option for numerous reasons. Mainly because IP is a lot more popular than the only other weapon you suggested were unbalanced and had an argument for, and it's the gloves from DotO.

 

[Rari]

I umm, I don't know if this will help, since items are still being added (items must be in new format to appear on these lists) but... these loot tables might help with comparisons?

 

[savannah]

scream strike is awesome..good for hate agro, and really its a 2 group mob..

 

[Dinadass]

scream strike is awesome..good for hate agro, and really its a 2 group mob..

Good luck 2-grouping the 3 pull before Gharontosh. And unless you bring a full TU raid, I don't see you 2-grouping Gharontosh. If nothing else, the DB add would wipe you or run your healers oom.

Ice Spinner, Horshint, Frozen Burning Spirit, and arguably Gornisht are all easier than Gharontosh. General Porlint is probably harder. And I stand by lower thaz nameds being easier. They're still a joke, it's just the trash which is harder than pre-nerf. And the 3 pull of IP trash is just as hard.

Jade, they're both tier 8 targets. You were the one who just had a hissy-fit over there being a tier gap in bow progression, and now you're saying you can't compare items from different zones? Okay....

 

[Jotigidou]

Good luck 2-grouping the 3 pull before Gharontosh. And unless you bring a full TU raid, I don't see you 2-grouping Gharontosh. If nothing else, the DB add would wipe you or run your healers oom.

Ice Spinner, Horshint, Frozen Burning Spirit, and arguably Gornisht are all easier than Gharontosh. General Porlint is probably harder. And I stand by lower thaz nameds being easier. They're still a joke, it's just the trash which is harder than pre-nerf. And the 3 pull of IP trash is just as hard.

Jade, they're both tier 8 targets. You were the one who just had a hissy-fit over there being a tier gap in bow progression, and now you're saying you can't compare items from different zones? Okay....

I don't see why you bring the Bow thread into this. What I meant with '' they are not in the same zone '' is just they are not even close in difficulty hence the gap.

... Also, I'm pretty positive when the Devs make up loot tables on mob, they take into the account the time it takes to clear and the trash mobs before the named also so saying '' only the trash in thaz is hard '' is not really a viable argument.

 

[Jotigidou]

Dude, didn't you know, Jade KNOWS ALL, about every class, and every item in the game, you SIR GOT SERVED.

Thanks for being an obnoxious moron and not bringing any arguments whatsoever.

 

[Dinadass]

I'm aware of that. IP trash is just as hard as lower Thaz, and it's a longer clear to Gharontosh than it is to any wing boss in lower Thaz. The trash in CoMercy and Rust are a complete joke, take very very little time, and are 2-3 tiers lower than IP, yet bosses there drop higher DPS/ratio onehanders. Explain that to me?

 

[Jotigidou]

I'm aware of that. IP trash is just as hard as lower Thaz, and it's a longer clear to Gharontosh than it is to any wing boss in lower Thaz. The trash in CoMercy and Rust are a complete joke, take very very little time, and are 2-3 tiers lower than IP, yet bosses there drop higher DPS/ratio onehanders. Explain that to me?

Then explain to me why you guys aren't raiding into CoMercy right now if the loot is GAWDAWSOME? I can't say I know the zone but this is eluding.

The trash to clockwork is not easy at all actually, can be very tricky.

The trash to Gharontosh might be somewhat longer than a Thaz wing but you get the benefit of having more than 1 boss on the clear since it's right next to another one.

 

[Dinadass]

It's not a matter of CoMercy/Rust loot being awesome, Screamstrike is just not as good as it should be. Have you not read anything I've written?

Rust trash is easy as hell. Silver gauntlet is not at all tricky. Silver itself is a complete joke. He drops a 15/18 onehander that procs a pet.

Thaz wings have mini's too. If you clear to the boss, the mini is usually 2 pulls away.

Everything you've posted in this thread is misleading, ignorant, or wrong. Go away.

 

[Jotigidou]

You mean as misleading as shit spewed out of your ass like ''Gharontosh is one of the tougher T8 mob '' .

Yeah.

 

[Dinadass]

You mean as misleading as shit spewed out of your ass like ''Gharontosh is one of the tougher T8 mob '' .

Yeah.

Majority of PoFrost tier 8 targets are easier.
All of ToT tier 8 targets are easier.
Most of Lower Thaz is equivalent.

 

[Jotigidou]

I umm, I don't know if this will help, since items are still being added (items must be in new format to appear on these lists) but... these loot tables might help with comparisons?

Thanks for the link, that's pretty helpful.