Regards to Mounts

[gorgetrapper]

Old EQ > New EQ. Everquest Live as it is now is horrible. Let's see... I have a 1handed weapon... 60dmg... 17dly... That shit is just stupid.

The models look horrible as well, iksars are too bulky, and a lot of the models for the races aren't what I pictured them to be with the models on. I think they look far "better" with the old models on because that's how I've seen them for... 4 years?

 

[Payens]

Old EQ > New EQ. Everquest Live as it is now is horrible. Let's see... I have a 1handed weapon... 60dmg... 17dly... That shit is just stupid.

That's mudflation. It's a totally separate issue from the models entirely.

The models look horrible as well, iksars are too bulky, and a lot of the models for the races aren't what I pictured them to be with the models on. I think they look far "better" with the old models on because that's how I've seen them for... 4 years?

It's called progress. Pac Man and Space Invaders were cool in the day, but Doom 3 looks a whole hell of a lot better. Some people need to face reality. The new models are a substantial improvement over the old ones. You may not like how some of the races were retouched, but that doesn't change the facts. The Luclin textures are superior, they have far better detail levels. And their poly count is tenfold what the old models are. They are just plain superior in every way.

 

[gorgetrapper]

I also hate people who play games because " OMG TEH GRAFIKS R S0 R0X0RZ!!! "

I could care less about the graphics. I have all models off for two reasons. EQ loads/runs better/easier with models off, and I still say they look better with models off.

 

[ghaleoneternal]

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[Payens]

I also hate people who play games because " OMG TEH GRAFIKS R S0 R0X0RZ!!! "

Well, I don't hate those people (hate is such a strong word), but I do find that bunch to be a shallow crowd. Eye candy is great and all, but if the game isn't good then why play it?

But anyway, that's not an issue here. EQ is EQ, whether the old models or Luclin models are used. The real issue is do you want to play a good game with clunky old graphics, or the same game with the newer slicker ones? I choose option B.

I could care less about the graphics. I have all models off for two reasons. EQ loads/runs better/easier with models off, and I still say they look better with models off.

On my modest system (Athlon XP 3200+, 1gb of PC3200 ram, GF4 Ti4600 vid card) there is no difference at all in terms of performance between the new and old models. Zero, zilch, nada. I built this system in November of 2004 for a total of $400 US. That's cheap, really cheap for a gaming rig. On any kind of recent hardware the performance gap just isn't there. Remember, even the 'new' Luclin models are several years old now.

You say the old models look better... time for your annual optical exam, is it?

 

[ghaleoneternal]

Some people need to face reality. The new models are a substantial improvement over the old ones. You may not like how some of the races were retouched, but that doesn't change the facts. The Luclin textures are superior, they have far better detail levels. And their poly count is tenfold what the old models are. They are just plain superior in every way.

You can't try and disprove what he is saying, due to the fact that it IS HIS OPINION, and quite frankly I agree. I mean the newer models just look better, that's all. But I like the old ones. They add a specific flavor to the game, a bit of nostalgia from days long past. It's nice. It also does make the game run better, although my computer could handle all the models. xD

It's basically just eye candy, nothing more nothing less.

P.S. Honestly how can you say it's "the facts" when trying to say, basically, that you are right and his opinion is wrong? He can like the older models all he wants, and he can say it's inferior in every way to the newer ones. This is honestly one of the most rediculous posts I've seen in a while... such blattant... I don't know!!! arg :censored:

 

[ghaleoneternal]

You say the old models look better... time for your annual optical exam, is it?

Man, you just don't stop, i'm rofling so hard at your blattant attempt to try and tell someone their opinion should be what yours is. Let it rest. :/ Old models FTW!

 

[Liam]

Actually, Luclin models do look like ass. I thought this was common knowledge ;(

 

[Payens]

I say it is a fact because it is. I have technical specifications to back this up. What do you have? "They look better because I say so".

Luclin models have more polygons = more realistic shape. Furthermore they have more detailed textures overlayed on them. Any reasonable objective person will say they look better. It's plainly obvious.

Nostalgia is a funny thing. It creates a warm, fuzzy feeling... but it also has a way of distorting reality. Just because you may not like how some of the races were updated doesn't mean the Luclin models are inferior. They're just better.

 

[Liam]

I say it is a fact because it is. I have technical specifications to back this up. What do you have? "They look better because I say so".

Luclin models have more polygons = more realistic shape. Furthermore they have more detailed textures overlayed on them. Any reasonable objective person will say they look better. It's plainly obvious.

Nostalgia is a funny thing. It creates a warm, fuzzy feeling... but it also has a way of distorting reality. Just because you may not like how some of the races were updated doesn't mean the Luclin models are inferior. They're just better.

Stop arguing opinion. I could make a 9 million polygon piece of shit model and it wouldn't look any better.

 

[Wiz]

I say it is a fact because it is. I have technical specifications to back this up. What do you have? "They look better because I say so".

Luclin models have more polygons = more realistic shape. Furthermore they have more detailed textures overlayed on them. Any reasonable objective person will say they look better. It's plainly obvious.

Nostalgia is a funny thing. It creates a warm, fuzzy feeling... but it also has a way of distorting reality. Just because you may not like how some of the races were updated doesn't mean the Luclin models are inferior. They're just better.

The luclin models have stiff, unrealistic poses, wacked up anatomy, completely unrealistic/twitchy animations, and in general look more like dressers than people.

"They have more polygons" is not "they look better". I could create a big blotch of red that had a quadazillion red polygons.

 

[zutfen]

Not that I'm attempting to be objective about this, I think luclin models suck (then again, I think Luclin in general sucked, as an expansion... it was the beginning of the long slow painful death of EQLive, IMO), but I also like that DC'ing on my computer runs *way* better with old models on.

As for the luclin models for horses thing: You NEED to have luclin models for your race enabled for *you* to use a horse; this is what the admins mean by "forcing people to use luclin models". Sure other people can use em even if you don't see them, but you can't use one unless you have them turned on.

You can't argue an opinion. Deal with the fact that probably 75%+ of WR players are oldschool and LOVE the old models. You can love your higher poly count Luclin models, and that's cool; but you *can't* change my mind about them sucking or not. Only I can. And I'm not gonna.

 

[Tarrax Ironwolf]

My whole approach to this old EQ vs Luclin EQ in terms of graphics... To each his own.

If you like playing with old graphics, great! If you like playing with new graphics, great! You're the only one seeing it on your end, so the whole arguement is moot... Load up your favorite graphics, log in, and have fun!


Oooo! A moss snake! Weeeeeeeee!

 

[gorgetrapper]

Yes it's fine if YOU want luclin models on, but to force people to turn it on for something like horses is just asinine.

Horses shouldn't be added but maybe add in an AA skill that gives you the mana regeneration of sitting while standing? (make it costs a stupid amount like 12AA or something like that so it's not so easily attainable).

 

[zodium]

Yes it's fine if YOU want luclin models on, but to force people to turn it on for something like horses is just asinine.

Horses shouldn't be added but maybe add in an AA skill that gives you the mana regeneration of sitting while standing? (make it costs a stupid amount like 12AA or something like that so it's not so easily attainable).

how about no

 

[zukmar]

thats my issue, id be pissed if i had to run luclin graphics to use a horse, cuz i dont want to be the one holding the group up cuz i dont have a horse.

sow bots for the win!

 

[Jartik]

Wow I want a computer like your Payens. I currently play on a celeron laptop with 512 megs of ram, not too bad but not too good either. Any suggestions on where to shop when building your own?

 

[Tarrax Ironwolf]

I use PriceWatch for all my parts... But it takes some serious shopping and research to make sure you are getting what you ordered from a company...

 

[Nuncio]

Its not and issue of nostalgia.
It's true, the newer models ARE better models.
But their animations suck ass compared to the old ones.
These are two different things.
Some people like the eyecandy of the higher poly/higher res textures of eh new models, while some people like the movement of the old models.
It's an unfortunate trade off.

 

[rab]

I think the new models clash horribly with old world zones. That is another reason I don't use them.