Ranger DPS (vs Rogue too!)
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whether it got out of hand, or how long it took, has nothing to do with what I said. Going up in base BS damage as a rogue is pretty much the most joyful thing a rogue does. Rogues live for crit backstabs, and big flashy numbers. so, just because during the time you played EQ, you didn't see a lot of increase in backstab numbers, doesn't mean that everyone else had the same experience during their time of playing EQ.iaeolan said:
The big loots at the end of expansions for me were
13/30 crystalline spear,
15/25 ragebringer,
16/21 bloodbath,
20/19 jtb,
25/21 discord dagger, could be augged up to 27/21.
27/19, augged to 30
i'd stopped playing my rogue mid DoDh, but yeah.
true that. and if it happened on live, then OBVIOUSLY we should try to emulate it perfectly.Ginam said:
I'm not suggesting that we should have 30 damage rogue daggers, but it really does suck as a rogue realizing that your max backstab isn't going to go up at all after you have a derg dagger.
vistachiri
Dalayan Master
Garluk said:
yep which is pretty gay imo
Garluk said:
Aaubert said:
When was the last time you saw a bonded blade of the torturer for sale? Oh wait, only 3 have dropped so far, and none in 6? months.
How many guilds have killed derg? 1?
A couple use summoner dagger, but that again, is pretty rare
The first 17 damage poker 90% of rogues get is demonshear
Ginam
vistachiri
Dalayan Master
Ginam said:
Is derg balanced? No
I liked how rogue dps was right after the atk mod went in and the anypoker above 17 dmg backstabs like a 21dmg or something like that it was about on par with how ranger dps is now. But it was hit with a nerf stick when ponden and maybe a few other rogues were doing like 300+ dps on IP dragons. I would liek to see double Backstab in game or maybe even tripple attack. Rogue dps can be kinda unstable between missing backstabs wich happens more then often and hitting a backstab for 300dmg or 600 dmg versus the 800 and up a ranger does with equal equipment.
rab
Dalayan Beginner
I was hitting 500 dps on every trash mob on the way to boss. Granted these mobs were yellow, but 500 dps in a (very short) fight is not rogue territory. I was outdoing wizards on two minute fights. That's not rogue territory.
It probably needs a bump now, at least a little, but it was not appropriate then.
Also, pointing out the spikiness of rogue dps and then asking for double backstab (which will not alleviate spikes) works against itself. Rogues are nowhere near as spiky as casters or rangers, anyway.
It probably needs a bump now, at least a little, but it was not appropriate then.
Also, pointing out the spikiness of rogue dps and then asking for double backstab (which will not alleviate spikes) works against itself. Rogues are nowhere near as spiky as casters or rangers, anyway.
Backstab landing only 55-65% not spiky?
I parsed on water trash mobs the other day constantly 350+ dps and maxing around 550dps using /s 6 whenever I was at full stamina. I was far far above any other dps. Although I try to max out my dps for any encounter so when a named comes around, rangers whip out their bows and their 8dmg arrows, wizards concussion to drop their aggro, adjust their nukes accordingly to the resists and nuke for extremely well dps depending if the named doesn't counterspell or deflect. While I get backstab misses 3-4 times in a row and even then to have good sustained dps, backstabs have to land for ~1500+ a hit to have any chance of stayin high in the charts with rangers bowing and wizards nuking. Getting 300-400dmg backstabs isn't uncommon at all on names and fully buffed atk is 1550 and having 22mods on backstab.
Tbh, I think rogue dps is fine on trash mobs, it's just when I get to the deep red names my dps lacks if I get consistent backstab misses (not uncommon).
I parsed on water trash mobs the other day constantly 350+ dps and maxing around 550dps using /s 6 whenever I was at full stamina. I was far far above any other dps. Although I try to max out my dps for any encounter so when a named comes around, rangers whip out their bows and their 8dmg arrows, wizards concussion to drop their aggro, adjust their nukes accordingly to the resists and nuke for extremely well dps depending if the named doesn't counterspell or deflect. While I get backstab misses 3-4 times in a row and even then to have good sustained dps, backstabs have to land for ~1500+ a hit to have any chance of stayin high in the charts with rangers bowing and wizards nuking. Getting 300-400dmg backstabs isn't uncommon at all on names and fully buffed atk is 1550 and having 22mods on backstab.
Tbh, I think rogue dps is fine on trash mobs, it's just when I get to the deep red names my dps lacks if I get consistent backstab misses (not uncommon).
vistachiri
Dalayan Master
Don't see how ranger dps is considered spiky, every parse I've seen on rangers discounting when they get upgrades hovers within 10-20ish dps of the last.
Llanoldar Lluindar
Dalayan Beginner
vistachiri said:
Last night we cleared everchill giants on the way to GotSS.
I parsed: 200, 160, 160, 220, 140, 200, 190, 180. That's an 80 point dps swing on a yellow to 65 mob. Not spiky?
Earlier in water my dps on the yellow trash (the same mob type) varied up to 70 dps per fight (sample of about 30 fights)
"A wyrm elite" in NDHK: DPS varies up to 50, from 170 to 220. (15 fights, give or take)
"A vigilant wind spirit" in Air: DPS varies up to 100, from 150 to 250. (about 40 fights)
Not spiky?
vistachiri
Dalayan Master
Llanoldar Lluindar said:
Considering I would automatically ignore the 140 and 220 as outliers, yeah I wouldnt consider that incredibly spiky at all. Well within a normal range. I'm also curious as to how our rangers apparently consistently outparse the hell out of you by those numbers as well..? Though I'm going to guess you were not using heartseekers, but rather 3dmg, as I'm well aware of how much damage heartseekers do on the ec giants from many many many lifeward quests.. That's also weird because you have a better bow than either, and I'm willing to bet have all your bow aa's done. So pretty much probably is the arrows I'm guessing.