Pounder VIII and Pounder XI

Rorne said:
That's because we managed to stay out of the timebomb's way, there is still an AoE component.
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fair enough -- but traek's aoe has massive range, and many casters have to deal with it from the start of the fight...even with range inc VI, im dealing with traek's aoe when i start to chain rune the tank. with the pounders, the aoe doesnt come into play really until halfway through the fight--and after that, the aoe pounder goes down fast compared to traek
 
Fact is: i've done traek with 3 healers, zatik (myself) a 55 cleric with bad gear, and a 52 druid with horid gear

they both ended the fight OOM

I ended the fight 40% mana

This fight we had 3 GOOD healers, and 1 okay one and all OOM

The rreason treaks raids usualy arn't sucessful is becuase the classes arn't really hand selected, usualy you go for a fear tank, a few healrs and w/e the hell else. If i took 1.5 hours to find and hand select peopel for a traek raid, we could probably 9 man him problem.

However, i'd like to not derail this thread, in hopes that we can get our 3rd piece of loot implimented and a 30 min timer on the corpse so the next time we do him it will be more worth it.
 
So, clarified as can be:

Would it be possible to get the mini robot that pops after the encounter is won to have a 30 min decay on his corpse? Also, would it be possible to have a third piece of loot implimented like other adepts instead of the 2 that dropped?

Thanks again for helping out with adepts, as they are probably the most enjoyable part of this game for me!
 
I was there as a cleric. Having killed Traek the day before the Pounders, I will say this: when Traek died I had a lot more mana than when the Pounders died. I was at about 30-35% at the end of Traek and at about 10% when Pounders dropped.

As for Pounders being "easy" I wouldn't say they're easy at all. Our 2 clerics:

http://shardsofdalaya.com/fomelo/fomelo.php?char=timothy

http://shardsofdalaya.com/fomelo/fomelo.php?char=zatik

Our two tanks

http://shardsofdalaya.com/fomelo/fomelo.php?char=kuldain

http://shardsofdalaya.com/fomelo/fomelo.php?char=salarus

The enchanter:

http://shardsofdalaya.com/fomelo/fomelo.php?char=fahyim

aaand a wizard:

http://shardsofdalaya.com/fomelo/fomelo.php?char=jing

I'm not going to list off everyone, but that's just to make a point.

I'd say we had a pretty solid foundation along with some good utility and DPS. Only 11? Yes, but with the kind of gear they already had, sure it might seem a little easy.

It's not an easy fight if you have characters geared appropriately for their level. If you have a group of "normal" characters, my bet is they could not do that encounter. People who progressed normally and have not locked and AA'd at levels post 50 or twinked out their characters would have a hell of a time beating these mobs.

And yes, the drops kinda stink for the encounter. :-/
 
Try posting a specific item and outlining why you think it needs to be upgrade. Also, try posting the corect stats on items that you are concerned about. Just saying "the loot stinks" is pretty much gonna get a dev to ignore you. You need to take the items that the pounders drop and compare them to othre items that you think they should be superior or equal to, this is what will get the devs attention if there is an imbalance.

Alternatively, we can just have another page of QQing over the drops and watch this thread fade into oblivion.
 
Ancient's Bracelet of Brawn

[MAGIC ITEM][LORE ITEM][NO DROP]
Slot: Wrist
STA: +18 HP: +50
SV FIRE: +2 SV DISEASE: +2 SV COLD: +2 SV MAGIC: +2 SV POISON: +2
WT: 0.5 Size: SMALL
Class: ALL
Race: ALL

vs. say...

Bracelet of Pulchritude

MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: WRIST
AC: 9
STR: +7 DEX: +7 AGI: +7 HP: +50
SV FIRE: +1 SV DISEASE: +1 SV COLD: +1 SV MAGIC: +1 SV POISON: +1
Weight: 0.3 Size: Small
Class: ALL
Race: ALL

Pounder encounter much harder than tmap encounter and Pounder bracer is only marginally better (if at all). I looked for comparable bracers from Adepts and found nothing in the top several tiers. (No bracers at all on wiki until I got down to Haunted Treant)

Pounder's Pincer
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: Primary Secondary
Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 21
DMG: 11
Magic DMG: 1
Effect: Firefist(Combat)
Focus Effect: Casting Speed Increment III
Dex: +5 AGI: +5 HP: +35
WT: 1.5 Size: SMALL
Class: WAR RNG SHD BRD ROG
Race: ALL

vs.

Lupine Fang Rondel
[MAGIC ITEM] [LORE ITEM] [NO DROP]
Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
Skill: Piercing Atk Delay: 18
DMG: 10
Cold DMG: 2
STR: +9 AGI: +9 DEX: +9 HP: +45 MANA: +30
CR: +9
Recommended: 30
Weight: 1.1 Size: Small
Class: WAR RNG BRD ROG SHM NEC WIZ MAG ENC BST
Race: ALL

Or...

Coiled Dragon Sinew
MAGIC ITEM LORE ITEM NO DROP
Slot: PRIMARY SECONDARY
Skill: 1H Slash Atk Delay: 25
DMG: 15
Effect: Jolt (Combat)
STA: +20
SV POISON: +15
Weight: 1.9 Size: Small
Class: RNG ROG
Race: ALL

Pincer drops from Pounders (lvl 57 engage) ...the second drops from Snowskin (lvl 43 engage) ... the third is from Traekoth (57 engage)

In general I think adept loot is nicely balanced for risk vs. reward, but Pounders are still meh... they're improved, but the loot isn't very desirable from what I saw last night.
 
In all fairness after looking through Pounder loot on the wiki, I will say these gloves are pretty much badass though...

Shim Woven Gloves
[MAGIC ITEM] [LORE ITEM] [NO DROP]
Slot: HANDS
AC: 20
Effect: Shield of Brambles (Must Wear Clicky, 4.0)
STR: +8 AGI: +5 DEX: +8 HP: +45 MANA: +45
PR: +5
Critical Strike: +2%
Weight: 0.4 Size: SMALL
Class: ALL
Race: ALL
 
The two loots and five minute corpse decay issues defiantly sound annoying, I agree with that. The loot that you guys got this time was some of the weaker Pounders loot anyway. I don't think we've seen enough of the new loot to start making any claims that it's under-powered. I'll leave you guys with a preview of some of the more powerful rebalanced loot.

Shim Woven Gloves
_________________________________________________​

[MAGIC ITEM] [LORE ITEM] [NO DROP]
Slot: HANDS
AC: 20
Effect: Shield of Brambles (Must Wear Clicky, 4.0)
STR: +8 AGI: +5 DEX: +8 HP: +45 MANA: +45
PR: +5
Critical Strike: +2%
Weight: 0.4 Size: SMALL
Class: ALL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 2


Edit: Oh, that bastard Kukov already posted these, AARRGG!!
 
Downed Pounders again today, still only 2 pieces of loot and a 5 min corpse: just wondering if this is going to be changed or not mostly since unless I missed something: i haven't seen an offical reply to it. At any rate, I do not mean to rush you as I know dev's/gms are *very* busy people, and I much appricate all the work put into the game, especially adepts =D
 
Wesell said:
The two loots and five minute corpse decay issues defiantly sound annoying, I agree with that. The loot that you guys got this time was some of the weaker Pounders loot anyway. I don't think we've seen enough of the new loot to start making any claims that it's under-powered. I'll leave you guys with a preview of some of the more powerful rebalanced loot.

Shim Woven Gloves
_________________________________________________​

[MAGIC ITEM] [LORE ITEM] [NO DROP]
Slot: HANDS
AC: 20
Effect: Shield of Brambles (Must Wear Clicky, 4.0)
STR: +8 AGI: +5 DEX: +8 HP: +45 MANA: +45
PR: +5
Critical Strike: +2%
Weight: 0.4 Size: SMALL
Class: ALL
Race: ALL
Slot 1, Type 2


Edit: Oh, that bastard Kukov already posted these, AARRGG!!
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That is pretty hot.

Having done them, and in fact the first kill on them when I was keeping imeriaz at 57 for no good reason whatsoever, they were definitely more difficult than traek. Mostly twinked squad, pretty much the same people for each every time (killing traek, then moving over to the pounders). The first couple of times it was way way more difficult, but that's because we were basically just figuring out the strat/what we could do to them. But even after it was down pat I'd end up mainhealing on imer on both, and get down to about 30 on traek. Pounders ended up being a sweatfest/pound the keys for all you're worth almost every time.

Keep in mind imer had a literal fuckload of mana at this point due to being twinked with raidloots (SE/DHK on up)/difficult and up map drops. About 4-6 others of the raid had similar levels of twinkage, with 2 or 3 more being midrange twinks usually.

Talked to Xeldan after we ganked them the first time, and he apparently had originally designed them as 40ish or so. So yeah, everyone knew they were out of line lootwise. Glad to see they got bumped. Some things might need a bit more of an adjustment though, if the bracer and dagger and whatnot are the adjusted.

Also while I think the fight is a bit rough, it should stay that way. It was fun. However 5min corpse is aids.
 
Killed both pounders and traekoth this weekend.

My cleric had about 30% mana after Pounders...about 50% mana after Traek. (this is including having used a mod rod though...actual mana might be 20% and 40% or so otherwise)

Did someone say that adepts were supposed to drop 3 loots instead of 2 these days? I've only always seen 2. Traek and Pounders definitely only dropping 2 loots each.
 
Could you possibly specify which cleric you were? seeing as there were 3....i was one, timothy who I know isn't you was the other, and the third was a boxed one.....who im' pretty sure isn't you

Also, if you had read the first page of posts you would see it stated that all adepts (other than rabb the rat (lvl 1adept)) drop 3 pieces of loot, and have for quite some time
 
Magina said:
Downed Pounders again today, still only 2 pieces of loot and a 5 min corpse: just wondering if this is going to be changed or not mostly since unless I missed something: i haven't seen an offical reply to it. At any rate, I do not mean to rush you as I know dev's/gms are *very* busy people, and I much appricate all the work put into the game, especially adepts =D
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Neither of these are really things that can be done properly without a full patch. The rot time could potentially be bandage-hotfixed but I'll have to look into/test that before I actually let something like that in which could potentially break some things.
 
Magina said:
Could you possibly specify which cleric you were? seeing as there were 3....i was one, timothy who I know isn't you was the other, and the third was a boxed one.....who im' pretty sure isn't you

Also, if you had read the first page of posts you would see it stated that all adepts (other than rabb the rat (lvl 1adept)) drop 3 pieces of loot, and have for quite some time
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Actually you're wrong. Timothy is me and I am he.

As for thew first page saying all adepts drop 3 pieces of loot...I saw that. I just wasn't going to search for it again to specifically quote it.

I have only killed Traek and Pounders recently though. Last adept I killed aside from them was probably a year and a half ago. Yet the last few times Traek dropped he only had 2 also...which was why I asked that only two loots are dropping since I thought 3 were supposed to.
 
wait, if yo'ure timothy then who the fuck is kukov? says he was there as a cleric thast why I assumed he was timothy, my bad for the confusion on that man
 
Magina said:
wait, if yo'ure timothy then who the fuck is kukov? says he was there as a cleric thast why I assumed he was timothy, my bad for the confusion on that man
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luciferblack is notorious for his army of alts. :keke:
 
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