Pounder VIII and Pounder XI

phroggonalog said:
http://angrygamer.net/sodwiki/index.php?title=Pounder_VIII_and_Pounder_XI
http://angrygamer.net/sodwiki/index.php?title=Traekoth_the_Ancient

I'm just wondering if the loot is appropriate for the encounter...I believe this issue has been brought up before, but never really resolved. As I haven't personally done the Pounders, I can't really weigh in, but I wanted to see what others thought!
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Did them 2 or 3 times back in the day. They are tricky, you must have 2 good tanks, and at least 4 real good healers. What isn't mentioned on the wiki is that one of them (or was it both?) spawn these little pounders that run over to the aggro and explode doing AoE damage, for an amount I cannot recall. Their loot isn't that great for the difficulty, which is why, I imagine, I personally haven't seen a single pounder raid advertised in ooc. If they were given one super-caster/melee item like Traek has that everyone wants, people would be more interested.
 
Pounders need a loot re vamp imo, they are *harder* than traek (and yes, i've done enough of both adepts to feel that i'm a very good judge of that), yet most of the loot that drops from them, does not compete with traek, or even simple treasure maps. I haven't downed these adepts in awhile (about 6 months) so i'm not sure if they are still as hard as they were, and i'm also not sure if that 5 min depop on the chest is still there (that lead to some really big lolz when we first downed them). I do not believe the strat/encounter should be revamped, since it is a bit of a challenge, and you really have to be on top of your game with a full 12 man raid of hand selected 57's. However, I do not believe the majority of the loot holds ground to other easily obtainable drops for this level.

First off, the ideal piece of loot is the shim woven gloves: 15ac 8str/dex 5 agi 45hp/mana sv poison 5 effect: shiled of brambles all/all. Simply change the clicky to spikecoat (which stacks with druid/mage DS, but isn't too extreme) instead of bramble, and there is an item that gives tanks/melee an incentive to do the adept, that imo is really not too overpowering.

Second: Ancient braclet of brawl...10 str, 50 hp....all/all
Sure, the hit point bonus is nice, but no AC? no resists? i'm not asking for something major here, but maybe modify it to say, 8 ac, 5 str 40hp/sv all + 1....

Ancient Braclet of Endurance: 10 sta 50 mana. all/all

While the 50 mana is nice, simple tmap for 50-59 chars provides a much better, and more easily obtainable item at 4ac, 4 to all stats, 4sv all and Ft 1.

Suggesion: Add FT1, OR hp/ac to keep in line with the braclet of brawl but more of a caster version

Gear inlaid Helm: 18 ac, 5sta/agi 4wis/int 6cha 40 mana SV magic 10 war/pal/rng/shd/brd/rog/mnk/bst. To be honest, if this was usable by priest classes, or maybe even int casters it would be well worth it, but seeing as its hybrid/tank/melee dps, and lacks hit pionts, it's really nothing to write home about.

Suggested Change: either A: add clr/dru/sham or B: change to 18 ac, 5sta/agi 4wis/int 6cha 20hp/mana sv magic 10

Phosphorescent Goop Covered Sleeves: 15 ac recovery 1 mana conservation 2 10 dex 40hp/mana sv disease 5 all/all
While i'll never understand why mana con 2 is dropping off a level 57 raid mob, I believe these sleeves are fine as is: the hit pionts and ac leave them as a nice option for a few classes.

Pounders Metalic Flecked Boots: I would leave this item as it is.

Pounders Pincer 11/21 1hp effect: firefist 5dex/agi 20hp war/rng/shd/brd/rog
Suggestion: 13/26 1hp effect: firefist 5dex/agi 20hp
Alternate suggestion: leave this item as is, but change the proc to blinding light, it would be nice to see a decent alternative to the warrior thurg quest for an aggro proc.

Pounders Pinion Strung Choker: 7int/wis/cha 45 mana, range inc 3 clr/pal/rng/dru/shm/nec/wiz/mag/enc/bst
Suggestion: Change to range inc 4, or add some STA or raw HP/a few AC


Lets face it: no one does pounders these days. They are pretty far out of the way, especially if you don't have a porter, and seeing as the overall encounter is more difficlut than traek, I believe their loot should be on par with his, or even slightly better.

This is just the 2cp of a long time adept raider
 
I honestly thought this was handled a long time ago.

Loots have been upgraded for next patch.
 
Able to say if anything new has actually been added (clickies, useful random stuff)?
Or just stat adjustments/buffs on old drops.
 
It's funny I was just thinking these guys needed a loot upgrade.
 
So I downed these 2 with a raid after the revamp....couple issues still....

The main issues lie in that only 2 pieces of loot dropped, and the corpse still had only a 5 mintuye timer on it instead of 30.

Seeing as all other adepts (short of rabb) have 3 pieces of loot, i'm assuming this isn't intended. Please look into it if you get a chance, and thanks for the revamp!

Salarus
 
Magina said:
So I downed these 2 with a raid after the revamp....couple issues still....

The main issues lie in that only 2 pieces of loot dropped, and the corpse still had only a 5 mintuye timer on it instead of 30.

Seeing as all other adepts (short of rabb) have 3 pieces of loot, i'm assuming this isn't intended. Please look into it if you get a chance, and thanks for the revamp!

Salarus
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Not to mention one of the upgraded drops was a 18sta 50hp bracer over the old 10sta/50hp I believe. Still no AC, we almost had it rot since no one wanted it.
 
The old bracer is listed in my orignal post in this thread, as are all the old items, the new ones are a *lot* better from what i've seen, 18sta/50hp/sv all 3? thast n2b for a caster trying to get some hp, or a rogue/ranger/monk/beast doing the same...

tbh i'm just hoping for the corpse/2 loot instead of 3 issue to be taken care of
 
Magina said:
The old bracer is listed in my orignal post in this thread, as are all the old items, the new ones are a *lot* better from what i've seen, 18sta/50hp/sv all 3? thast n2b for a caster trying to get some hp, or a rogue/ranger/monk/beast doing the same...

tbh i'm just hoping for the corpse/2 loot instead of 3 issue to be taken care of
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I don't know man, no one seemed especially keen on taking it. Can you think of any Traek loot people are passing up that easily?
 
coilied dragon sinew mostly, i'm just figuring that this bracer is desgined for monks: i dfeinalty see your piont and it could use some AC...but monks imo mostly need hp/sta/saves and that gives a *lot* of all 3
 
And a shaman got it (Frawl - left bracer) :D much better HP but I'm happy I didn't trade a mana item. Anyway yeah loots still seem so completely lacking compared to Mr Traek - even if I'll admit the fight is a bit easier.
 
Magina said:
coilied dragon sinew mostly, i'm just figuring that this bracer is desgined for monks: i dfeinalty see your piont and it could use some AC...but monks imo mostly need hp/sta/saves and that gives a *lot* of all 3
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Yeah like 5ac on that thing would make a world of difference.
 
yeah I got the 2nd item:

Pounder's Pincer - 11/21 Magic Dmg: 1 Effect: Firefist (combat) Focus Effect: Casting speed increment III Dex + 5 Agi + 5 HP + 35 WT 1.5 Class: WAR RNG SHD BRD ROG Race: All
 
I beleive you guys are mistaken that this is easier than traek. the raid was hand selected, I spent an hour and a half waiting for the right classes to be able to do this right, and we had a couple heavy twinks on the raid including myself: plus since i'd done this encounter many times in the past, I knew the strat.

Even with all that, at the end of the fight all our healers were OOM, LoH was burned, and my paladin was at 20% mana from group HoT/aggro/self heals...

if you call that easy i'd like to see your version of hard sir!
 
Magina said:
I beleive you guys are mistaken that this is easier than traek. the raid was hand selected, I spent an hour and a half waiting for the right classes to be able to do this right, and we had a couple heavy twinks on the raid including myself: plus since i'd done this encounter many times in the past, I knew the strat.

Even with all that, at the end of the fight all our healers were OOM, LoH was burned, and my paladin was at 20% mana from group HoT/aggro/self heals...

if you call that easy i'd like to see your version of hard sir!
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Yeah I tried to explain this to someone but they just scoffed. Everything we did was streamlined and that is why we did so well and even with that we made it through by the skin of our teeth. I think a lot of Traek raids were much looser than that where the people present have issues keeping one tank alive, let alone two. We just had everything nailed down.
 
Rorne said:
Yeah I tried to explain this to someone but they just scoffed. Everything we did was streamlined and that is why we did so well and even with that we made it through by the skin of our teeth. I think a lot of Traek raids were much looser than that where the people present have issues keeping one tank alive, let alone two. We just had everything nailed down.
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I didn't scoff -- I said "not really," in response to you saying that this raid was better organized and with better twinks. First off, it was done with 11 -- secondly, we had 55's, a 53 shaman, etc. Third, I've been with traek raids that included myself, salarus, zatik, kuldain, tahn, jing, etc etc which felt either harder, or failed completely. The AoE on traek KILLS, while the lack of one with the pounders was noticeable.

Also -- you guys forget that both kuldain and i LEVELED after the first pounder -- you were fighting the second pounder with 9. no, 8, because i remember Jing's /rs saying she couldn't nuke.

On the other hand, magina is right in that he knew EXACTLY what to do, which made the fight much easier -- though i think that point is moot, because by this point in the adept game a good raidleader is going to have his hands on a strat.

I guess the bottom line is from this enchanter's point of view, the fight was easier -- I didn't have to deal with AoE damage when chain runing the tank, and there wasnt a big issue with resists
 
phroggonalog said:
I guess the bottom line is from this enchanter's point of view, the fight was easier -- I didn't have to deal with AoE damage when chain runing the tank, and there wasnt a big issue with resists
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That's because we managed to stay out of the timebomb's way, there is still an AoE component.
 
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