Possible solution??? for the new patcher & .net-Issue

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Maliciosa

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Hi everyone - while looking for a solution to running the new patcher without installing the .net framework, I was pointed to this:
http://thinstall.com/help/index.html?linking_netframework.htm

Sadly, this one is out of question if I understood their licensing prices right - 5000 bucks is definitely not acceptable for our financial status.

But - pointed in this direction - would anyone maybe know of a similar program that's a lot cheaper or even shareware/freeware?

Please scout around a bit - I surely will keep looking.

Regards,

Maliciosa
 
Maliciosa said:
PM incoming to explain - I don't want to risk _this thread_ also getting locked :)

Regards,

Maliciosa
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Uh, if you have decent reasoning, points and avoid starting drama this thread shouldn't get locked. Once again the naming threads were instant drama threads.

Anyways, thread back on topic.
 
i'm posting this here... your not the only person that has a problem.

Hi there - as announced in the thread I am replying in PM:

There are various reasons why I refuse to install the .net-framework:

a) I don't see any reason to install a 23MB package (over 100MB once installed) that is likely to change a LOT of things in my system just in order to run a patcher that in itself is an application of no more than 100kbyte

b) Microsoft has yet to release a single major product that is bug & exploit-free from the start - before that happens I won't install any new M$ products

c) M$ has made an issue out of making using their products a general pain in the ass. And since Office XP, they require online product activation (where your PC transmits some (you-don't-know-what-else) data directly to M$, and since .net is the successor of XP, I expect they made it even worse there (M$ has been involved in a bunch of spyware affairs with their software)

All in all, I don't want to apply any system patches that are not at all necessary to fix existing bugs because they just make the system run more and more unstable - I have repaired enough broken windows installations at friends' to know just _how_ messed up they become when a user installs everything that is suggested to him.

Regards,

Maliciosa
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yes.. "M$" aka Microsoft really is out to get you...

just FYI... most of the time installing .NET will help the performance of your machine.. some programs have built in .NET calls that will run more effiecent if .NET is actualy installed on said machine.

EVERY piece of code ever written has holes in it people can exploit. MS just has more people that use it / hate it, thus it gets more attackers. To be honest, the biggest problem with Windows is IE... Stop useing it, and you wont' get all that spyware, adware, etc (usually from surfing porn)

The first time I installed .NET on my machine was in 2002. I have never noticed it cause a machine to run slower, or mess up any program i use with my MS machines. I personally have 4 machines, 3 of them have mandrake on them as a main OS (running windows in a window) and never have a problem. I also dont' run any antivirus, or software firewalls. I haven't had to rebuild a machine because of a hack, exploit, etc ever. I run a d-link router, and have manual set up the allowed ports.

soo...

a.) You wont' install a 100 meg program, to run a 3gig program? makes sense. (if you have installed from classic EQ disk, you have more time involved installed the game, than you would just downloading, and installing .NET)

b.) show me a program that is released with absolutly no bugs.. wont' happen.

c.) They tell you exactly what you are sending them, if you read the policy, they have to. If you have a legit copy of XP there is no hastle.. They are a company, they rely on people buying their products.. not just downloading them... I personally have used the same copy of windows 2000 pro on many machines.. but now any time I need to install XP, i buy a copy.. /shrug

All in all, ME was the only OS that ms put out that was unstable from install. If you have trouble with your OS becomeing unstable, it is the USERS fault (that means YOU) learn to curve your surfing habits, and download a few programs like Spybot, and AdAware, to removed the 'junk' that gets installed from useing IE... OR, install firefox, and get less than 10% of the adware, / spyware you would with IE.

btw, useing "M$" instead of ms, or micrsoft, just tells me that your to cheap to buy a product you love to bitch about.


Do I hate microsoft? not really, they are a company.. If someone that wants me to build them a machine wants XP on it, they get it.. at an aditional cost.. i'll put 2k, or mandrake on any machine for nothing...
 
Now to go just a tad off topic. People said don't use IE, use Firefox it's so much safer, more and more people started to use Firefox and well, guess what a hacker thought it was worth the effort to disassemble the code to find holes, and guess what, he found a MAJOR exploit that allowed him to completly take control of a computer that had Firefox just installed on it, so firefox had to release a emergency patch.
ALL programs have holes and exploits, hackers just don't feel it's worth the time to find the holes unless alot of users has it.
Now, back to .net, .net is a program language (kinda, it's the easiest way to explain it) that allows you to make programs that uses their protocolls (spelling), like back in win 3.x time when you made a program in basic, you had to have eh.... a file to be able to run that program (don't remember name right now). .net by itself can no do ANY harm on your computer or your system. Sure, it is possible to make a program that abuse your .net code to harm your computer, but then you have to run THAT program for it to happend. As long as you download patcher from this site then well, you have nothing to worry about.
You can compare .net to java BUT .net is safer because you need to run a external program to get access to your .net installation.

Well, I tried to explain this so most people understand it, so you program gurus please don't flame me for this post, it's just a simple explenation (spelling) to how it works so everybody understands it.
 
Fjodor,

yup, your right about Firefox.. goes to prove that any program can have holes in it. But, as far as the spyware, and adaware goes, its still much better to use firefox, over IE.


bout basic... basic -> visual basic -> visual basic.NET
you can still find basic code in .NET =)

but yes.. its just a growing program, and you have the jist of it. =)

Java pulls its calls from your browser (you can shut this off.) You hit a web page, and the browswer compiles, and runs the java code, while .NET is for use by exe programs (something you run)
 
Hello, I suggest reading the Tech Support forum, as there is a thread with a solution to not having/wanting to have .NET.

Announcement: Can't get patcher to work? - READ. On that page is a link to a direct .zip download of ALL of the patch files. It is updated nightly, and all you have to do is unzip that .zip into your folder to play with the updated patched files.
 
Thanks Killspree - I already got the game to run without the .net Patcher using a suggestion made by someone else (forgot where). The problem wasn't downloading the whole patch files - actually I did that before making my first post ever about the whole thing.
The problem was getting your EQ client to run without the patcher. The suggestion that works is to make a link launching eqgame.exe with "patchme.exe" as parameter.
As in: "c:\eq\eqgame.exe patchme.exe"

That was the part that I didn't manage on my own. Anyways, having a workaround to actually get the new patcher to run would be awesome - but it doesn't look like it right now.

Regards,

Maliciosa
 
One more thing: Popps did you ever hear about that usenet rule (yes it's old, I know) that publically quoting a private message is rather bad etiquette?
I really don't approve of that - you asked a question, I answered it privately and you go and try to make a big fuzz about it here in public which is exactly what I wanted to avoid sending you a PM.

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Maliciosa
 
Yeah, or if you want to use that program designed to run the game in windowed mode, you can start that manually as well.
 
Maliciosa said:
One more thing: Popps did you ever hear about that usenet rule (yes it's old, I know) that publically quoting a private message is rather bad etiquette?
I really don't approve of that - you asked a question, I answered it privately and you go and try to make a big fuzz about it here in public which is exactly what I wanted to avoid sending you a PM.

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Maliciosa
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I never did like usnet, dont' expect people to follow the rules of one 'world' in another. I asked a question in a public form, IMO you had bad etiquette by answering it privately. I dont' approve of you answering my public question in a private manner. You started the discussion in a public form, keep it there.

I wasn't trying to make a big fuzz. I was simply stateing my opionon. If i was trying to start a big 'fuzz' you would know it.

The new patcher was made with .NET... your going to have to have .NET to run it. No way I know of to make a work around, without redoing the whole thing.

your paranoid about microsoft aren't ya? You know they are out to get you, dont' ya? BTW, the time you have used typeing up your replies, you probalby could have downloaded, and installed .NET by now. =)

btw, if you figured out how to get aroudn the patcher, and can't run the game... just run EQW, and run the game from that.. sense it doesnt' require .NET

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I am going to guess that you just download, and overright the files that are needed for the game, without breaking them down, and studding the code. For all you know, the WR clan could be harvesting viruses, and trojans all over your PC sense your downloading a zip file, extracting it, and then useing it to load a game. Microsoft actually has more reason not to do this, sense they can be easily sued if they gave you something they knew was dangerous to your secrutiy. If they tried, it would be found out very easily.. (just look at all the holes found in their OSs)
 
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