Politeness and farming areas

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Knups post is legend!

Knup42 is absolutely right. Perhaps some of you 'young in mind' players are also 'young in years' and didn't experience this game when the community was nearly all graceful, fair and pleasant. I can remember 'arses' being very rapidly ostracized. They were known and no-one would group with them. In SOD I don't wish to see them propagate as MMORPGs are 99% about community!

Were it possible to code it, people who play this way should take an alignment shift! It's the best marker of character that I can think of. They are greedy and evil ! Of course if someone has been hours getting a PH to pop a named, and someone else runs past they are using you. It's a likely problem with a no camps system. What's so hard about pleasantly chatting to the RL person sitting behind the other computer keyboard about the situation?

Yes, some of you sound very young to me. EQ is great because it is also appealing to older players, in my guild we have a 58 year guy and his friend from bridge. They are adults who know the world, have lived, loved and earned their place in society. They are not sitting on Mom's computer or in a University campus somewhere. They at least deserve some respect in RL and when they play EQ. EDIT. They amongst the two nicest players I know currently on the server. They don't deserve to be treated with disrespect by someone whose only desire is to further farm plat.

Yes! People who play with no politeness, respect or humanity have a problem!
 
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budrick, life is not about competition and walking over people to get what you want. Life is about empathy, respect and understanding , and it takes times to understand that.
 
Knup42 said:
budrick, life is not about competition and walking over people to get what you want. Life is about empathy, respect and understanding , and it takes times to understand that.
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No. Life was founded by competition. Life has always been dependent on competition. Life will continue to be dictated by competition... forever. It's called survival of the fittest, and it will never change.

Let me introduce you to my good friend, Charles Darwin:

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He will teach you a lot.
 
Budizzle said:
It's called survival of the fittest, and it will never change.
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LOL Don't tell that to the charity and humanitarn groups of the world.


Human Cilivlization as we know it now is most certainly NOT about survival of the fittest.

The invention of the Gun changed that for good. :)
 
Kirin Folken said:
LOL Don't tell that to the charity and humanitarn groups of the world.

Human Cilivlization as we know it now is most certainly NOT about survival of the fittest.

The invention of the Gun changed that for good. :)
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You're wrong. Let's not derail this thread though.
 
Budrick

It's worthy of considerable note that the people defending their right to be an arse are known fellons in the game!

It was Budrick who first leapfrogged my Warrior & Cleric on the ZL of Icecaverns below Thurg some months ago. I stood and watched in him loot the 'vendor piece' that my warrior really needed to actually use. I was a new player and had tried to pick up a DPS via /ooc, someone sent me a tell asking me what I was trying to kill. In my naivety I answered; within a few minutes, my named was no more! I was standing on the mobs roaming path near the zone line, buffing to begin, when he charged past!
He said 'nothing personal' as he stooped to loot and left! His Darwinian philosophy in-tact, the Alpha-male has left the building!
I told my guild and someone said
'Oh him yes, I've heard his name mentioned, I think he's been jailed before. I've heard nothing nice about him. Not a nice person at all.'
I sent him a tell warning him his reputation was growing. He replied
"What?? I can't hear you over the sound of how AWESOME I am!"

But here is Karma for you Mr. Budrick, not Darwin! When EOD merged with Exodus, your named was mentioned for your behaviour and reputation. Most wanted you to be kicked, but it was settled on that you would be told you were "On thin ice". As I remember you took it so hard, you quit the guild!
 
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Heh, seems my statement about being polite gets quite some shit going. But to be honest. No it is probably not a very accurate statement and if you ask around there are probably a lot of people out there who can say something about my level of politeness.

Overall i think i might come out as a little bit of a self centered jackass, but i dont care really. There is still a lot of good people out there that i do get along quite fine with and those are the people that matter to me anyway.

When i go farming i do check of course, hell... i dont even go to a zone if i see some people already there on /who <insert zonename> all. I only go when i know those people are not hitting the same mobs i want.

Ill take Eldenals as example, I needed to farm there for some necks on an alt. Now, being the self centered jerko i am i could just go in and start destroying anything anything that is not agroed. But i wont. First i just /tell a person already in Elds to ask if their in the castle (or en route to it) and then i decide to move or not.

But, back to being polite or not. Sure it helps you no matter what level you play at, hell i even buff lowbies if they ask for it nicely and i help others do stuff they need quite frequently as well. My earlier comment was more so because i am in Exodus and in Exodus we enjoy a proper verbal abuse :D
 
SyncMizer said:
It's worthy of considerable note that the people defending their right to be an arse are known fellons in the game!

It was Budrick who first leapfrogged my Warrior & Cleric on the ZL of Icecaverns below Thurg some months ago. I stood and watched in him loot the 'vendor piece' that my warrior really needed to actually use. I was a new player and had tried to pick up a DPS via /ooc, someone sent me a tell asking me what I was trying to kill. In my naivety I answered; within a few minutes, my named was no more! I was standing on the mobs roaming path near the zone line, buffing to begin, when he charged past!
He said 'nothing personal' as he stooped to loot and left! His Darwinian philosophy in-tact, the Alpha-male has left the building!
I told my guild and someone said
'Oh him yes, I've heard his name mentioned, I think he's been jailed before. I've heard nothing nice about him. Not a nice person at all.'
I sent him a tell warning him his reputation was growing. He replied
"What?? I can't hear you over the sound of how AWESOME I am!"

But here is Karma for you Mr. Budrick, not Darwin! When EOD merged with Exodus, your named was mentioned for your behaviour and reputation. Most wanted you to be kicked, but it was settled on that you would be told you were "On thin ice". As I remember you took it so hard, you quit the guild!
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This is not an instance of karma. I left the guild of my own volition, but I still have several friends that remain in your guild (some of which help me frequently). I am driving my own guild now, one that I can actually control the amount of idiocy I let in. It is, in fact, more acceptable to be an asshole than an idiot by all standards, after all. I still can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

I do remember this confrontation though; it was a fateful day in Icewell. I also remember giving the loot to a lowbie bard who was leeching exp in my group. That's irrelevant though, you should be thanking me for teaching you a valuable lesson, one that is pretty common sense for those of us who possess average intelligence: do not advertise a desirable mob in public channels. You're lucky I taught you this before hitting the tiers or you'd be having a horribly hard time progressing.

Edit: Being put "on thin ice" is laughable because the only thing in this world I give a fuck about enough to try and impress is myself and, wouldn't you know it, I always succeed!
 
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Budrick,

You're talking about survival of the fittest , but you seems to forget that you are very lucky to live in a very protected world ( understand US and Europe )

It is very easy to say " survival of the fittest " when you dont have to fight for food, when you can walk in the streets without the fear of being killed by some random guys, when you have access to medical treatment when you re sick.

You see, when I was in my twenties , I was travelling a lot , I was saving money for 6 months then was spending the next 6 or 9 months abroad, mostly in south east asia , middle east and a bit of Africa. I was eager to discover the world and how other people were living. I did this for 15 years, then i went to work in Ireland and UK for 5 years where i had a great time as well, now Im back in my country of birth , france.

So , while i dont have the pretention to be Gandi ( like you call me in your reply ) but in all modesty, I can positively say that if all those travels teached me one thing, that's that there is a bit more to life than competition, survival of the fittest etc ...etc ...and that the end never justify the means, especially not in a video game , no matter how good it is -))

I did not read Charles Darwin theory of evolution ( though that must be an interesting read but im not sure the way you see his theory is exactly what he means but thats another subject ) but I certainly read a book called the book of Life, if you see what I mean.

So, now what about you Budrick, would you mind sharing with us a bit of your personnal life experiences so we can see what brought you to the conclusion that only the strongest survives


Glaucom.
 
Budizzle said:
I do remember this confrontation though; it was a fateful day in Icewell. I also remember giving the loot to a lowbie bard who was leaching exp in my group. That's irrelevant though, you should be thanking me for teaching you a valuable lesson, one that is pretty common sense for those of us who possess average intelligence: do not advertise a desirable mob in public channels. You're lucky I taught you this before hitting the tiers or you'd be having a horribly hard time progressing.
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Jerk, now i spit my coffee al over my keyboard because i had to laugh at this crap :D While u put it quite bluntly, you do kinda have a point. If your after a named mob, dont go telling people about it. Just keep it general. If you are after named in Icewell... just tell ppl your xping in Icewell.
 
Knup42 said:
So, now what about you Budrick, would you mind sharing with us a bit of your personnal life experiences so we can see what brought you to the conclusion that only the strongest survives

Glaucom.
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Cool story, Hansel. I'm pretty curious how a conversation about farming on SoD degenerated into a blog about your life.

Despite your inability to differentiate between Darwinism and social Darwinism, or understand, let alone apply, the concept of either to contemporary times, my life really isn't your business, nor is it relevant to this thread. You seem to have already drawn your own conclusions based on assumptions though. Founding opinions on assumptions is juvenile, wouldn't you agree? Apparently the irony is lost on you. Hypocrite.
 
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Unfortunatly i'm not quite as well versed as Budrick in his responses, but I would simply like to point out the following.

One side of this is presenting an argument for why we choose to play a video game the way we do.

The other side is saying the first side is wrong, becuase the first side doesn't play a vidoe game the way the they think it should be played.

HALP IM BEING OPPRESSED
 
Budrick, there is no need for personnal attacks or dubious humour at best. Its not a blog about my life, its about backing up my convictions by facts from personnal experiences. You are the one who brought your darwinian theories , survival of the fittest blah blah into this thread, that was not me .

Bragging about survival of the fittest is an easy thing to do over the internet, now if you clearly believe in that, just enroll for 5 years in the french foreign legion or as a mercenary in Africa and you will truely understand the meaning of what your Darwinian theories are about.

Let me tell you one simple thing mate, just don't bite more than you can chew, because you're way out of your league here.


That is my last reply to you Budrick, have a good one.


Glaucom
 
Haha! This thread is screaming!

Yes, thank you for teaching me a valuable lesson. You are quite the proverbial 'teacher'!

Allow me to apologize, with I hope a detectable note of sarcasm, for my below average intelligence!

And allow me to congratulate you on being so successful! We do so admire you!
 
You know, the entire time I was reading this topic, I had Persona 3 music playing in my head.

I think I've started playing that too much.

However, there's a few things I need to say here.

'Survival of the fittest' has nothing to do with Darwin, as he didn't coin it, nor does evolution have much to do with Darwin at all, as he himself didn't believe it was true. Not that getting a single piece of loot would be 'survival', it'd be more like getting to a single meal first. While losing one would suck, you'd have to lose quite a whole lot consistantly for it to be 'survival', even in this kind of virtual sense. Not that the original phrase even means what everyone uses it as, as it's referring to something else entirely, but I'm getting a fair bit off point here.

Also, most of the regular 65+ players on this server are generally giant assholes. There's really only 30-40 of them, but still.

Next time, do things the DeathSeeker way.

Aggro every mob in the zone at once.

They can't steal your mobs that way.
 
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Also, most of the regular 65+ players on this server are generally giant assholes. There's really only 30-40 of them, but still.
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So... according to you MOST of the 65+ are assholes AND there is only 30-40 of them? What is it now buddy? Because if you would put those 30-40 lv65 asshats against the total level 65's population u'd be left with a VERY VERY tiny grp of ppl.
 
DarkUnknownOne said:
'Survival of the fittest' has nothing to do with Darwin, as he didn't coin it, nor does evolution have much to do with Darwin at all, as he himself didn't believe it was true. Not that getting a single piece of loot would be 'survival', it'd be more like getting to a single meal first. While losing one would suck, you'd have to lose quite a whole lot consistantly for it to be 'survival', even in this kind of virtual sense. Not that the original phrase even means what everyone uses it as, as it's referring to something else entirely, but I'm getting a fair bit off point here.
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Semantics. Darwinism really has nothing to do with Darwin either, heh. That's not the point. It's a metaphor, and it applies here. Basically the common consensus believes that competition is healthy. If the devs didn't want competition to be an element, they would make everything instanced.

In a hypothetical situation, if your survival depends on killing Soandso and someone else kills it first, they are the most fit to enjoy the spoils of war. Voila! Survival of the fittest. It's a pretty versatile term -- confining it to a box is retarded.
 
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How darwinian evolution has anything to do with taking yourself out of the breeding population by playing SoD all day is amazing to me.
 
Ok, way past the expiration date on this one.

There are no camping rules, and we won't likely change that any time soon. Maybe you think this gives you leeway to do whatever you want, and step on other people. Maybe you don't.

Whats important is that if the staff catches you being a jerkass child, regardless of how you interpret the rules, you will be punished.


P.S. Survival of the fittest is not directed. :toot:
 
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