Politeness and farming areas

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SyncMizer

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I wanted very much to make this post for a while now. First let me outline my last three days in a popular farming spot in that passageway that leads up the the castle in Sorcerers Lab. This is a spot where to gain access to the area ahead you have to either go up the storm drain from the basement (which didn't happen in these examples) or clear the area of mobs, which if if the passage is camped means running in front of someone else.

It's a post about politeness and treating people with some respect. If I'd have been the other party in the real examples below, I would have stopped at the group and said
'Hey mind if I go into the castle?'
or
'Hey are you busy in this spot?'
Its nice and polite, and hurts no one. Its remarkable that I have to post this, but it seems greed drives some people to be seriously rude!

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Day 1. I spent about an hour clearing the golem pit repeatedly, until Kalvah popped. I'm just re-clearing that mob that sits right around over the front of the pit. Meanwhile I see two streaks of players. And its a certain Druid and his warrior box who charge up onto the open area by the castle doors, literally in front of where I'm clearing to and engage a mob near the pit. I'm still killing the golem at this point. I'm annoyed that my work is in vain, so I try to make the pull (perhaps I shouldn't have) with my cleric. I try pull out Kalvah, but perhaps I didn't get enough agro, maybe the other guy re-agroed, in the mess I couldn't tell. I ran back to the passage and Kalvah didn't follow. I head back onto the open area where the other guy is now fighting and Kalvah is now agro'ing him. He says

Him:'Mob engaged me, you didn't get enough agro. Or you trying to train me?'
Me:'Well you just ran in front of me, perhaps this is not a good place to stand?'

He kills Kalvah and loots the drop I've been a long time waiting on. I was really annoyed, but not as annoyed as when the guy totally /ignor'ed my tells. My guild said I should take it to a petition, but I'm sure thats the last thing I would like to do.

Day 2. I'm in the same spot. This time its the Icey Watcher. I'm clearing the last mob (once again) but when I come out to finally pull the Icey Watcher all I see is a corpse! Bizarre. I

/shout ok cmon who killed the Icey Watcher?

The only other player currently in zone is back before the village, it can't have been him. He was nice and sent me a tell saying that a bard was in zone. The bard must have streaked in and nabbed the kill! Long time wasted again.

Day 3. I'm killing the mob next to castle door, by pulling back into the passageway. This time a monk and his shammy alt. ran past me and engaged the Icey Watcher! I'm logged into the Forum, but sitting watching this guy camping the area in front of where I'm sitting.

Me: /say I just cleared out this area. And once again someone leapfrogs me!
Him: /say ????

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Perhaps the only way to stop this is to sit on the spawn spot, but that should be a worst case scenario where people are just really rude. And in some places with a larger area, it's not possible. If someone has cleared to a spot, it would seem to me a common curtesy to at least ask them if they mind you moving in front of them. But I mean in reality if someone is working a spot, they probably will mind!

EDIT: I know certain spots are bound to be popular, but since when is leapfrogging now standard practice in the SOD community?
 
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Leapfrogging has always been allowed on Sod, except in raid zones. Sod has no camps and the rule is the first to do damage to the mob gets him.

Its usually frowned upon by other players but at a contested spawn you have to be on your game or people will steal your mob, its a pretty common practice to name snipe so you just got to be on your toes. It happens when people are farming hard for those expensive charms.
 
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Maethorr said:
Leapfrogging has always been allowed on Sod, except in raid zones. Sod has no camps and the rule is the first to do damage to the mob gets him.

Its usually frowned upon by other players but at a contested spawn you have to be on your game or people will steal your mob, its a pretty common practice to name snipe so you just got to be on your toes. It happens when people are farming hard for those expensive charms.
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I would be amongst those players frowning!

There are no camps this i know, but personally it still seems terribly rude to push in front of someone else who has cleared an area for you and as you put it 'steal their named'.

Edit: Camps no, but politeness and respect for your community would seem desirable attributes?
 
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Yeah, but when you get to the point where you have been farming for over 100 hours and are not even close to your charm you stop caring about politeness.
1.2Mil charm takes like 1000 hours at 1k an hour.
 
Minerios said:
Haven't we had this discussion every two weeks for the past year or so?
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Pretty much. The previous topic barely gets the time to slip out of the first page (topic list wise) or somebody else starts a new topic with exactyly the same issues.

To be honest, no matter HOW many ppl will come complaining about this... nothing will ever change i guess. The farmers with top-notch gear continue to snipe nameds for their charmfarms and the lesser geared people that actually want the items will keep crying about it.

Personally, i'd rather have my charm sooner and kill a named when i see it. I mean, the mob is standing/sitting there, unagroed, so why wouldnt i attack it?

Politeness? Thats not gonna get u very far in the endgame tbh.
 
The spawn timers are fixed on all these mobs so you can make a mental note of when they go down and show up just before they respawn if you really want them. Honestly, if you just leave the named standing around it's not that rude for somebody to kill it.
 
SyncMizer said:
I wanted very much to make this post for a while now. First let me outline my last three days in a popular farming spot in that passageway that leads up the the castle in Sorcerers Lab. This is a spot where to gain access to the area ahead you have to either go up the storm drain from the basement (which didn't happen in these examples) or clear the area of mobs, which if if the passage is camped means running in front of someone else.

It's a post about politeness and treating people with some respect. If I'd have been the other party in the real examples below, I would have stopped at the group and said
'Hey mind if I go into the castle?'
or
'Hey are you busy in this spot?'
Its nice and polite, and hurts no one. Its remarkable that I have to post this, but it seems greed drives some people to be seriously rude!

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Day 1. I spent about an hour clearing the golem pit repeatedly, until Kalvah popped. I'm just re-clearing that mob that sits right around over the front of the pit. Meanwhile I see two streaks of players. And its a certain Druid and his warrior box who charge up onto the open area by the castle doors, literally in front of where I'm clearing to and engage a mob near the pit. I'm still killing the golem at this point. I'm annoyed that my work is in vain, so I try to make the pull (perhaps I shouldn't have) with my cleric. I try pull out Kalvah, but perhaps I didn't get enough agro, maybe the other guy re-agroed, in the mess I couldn't tell. I ran back to the passage and Kalvah didn't follow. I head back onto the open area where the other guy is now fighting and Kalvah is now agro'ing him. He says

Him:'Mob engaged me, you didn't get enough agro. Or you trying to train me?'
Me:'Well you just ran in front of me, perhaps this is not a good place to stand?'

He kills Kalvah and loots the drop I've been a long time waiting on. I was really annoyed, but not as annoyed as when the guy totally /ignor'ed my tells. My guild said I should take it to a petition, but I'm sure thats the last thing I would like to do.
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Proxy aggroing the mob with your cleric and running all the way across an area while your tank box is fighting a mob on the other side is not the proper way to pull. The mob flaked off of you and started hitting me for a reason. Don't complain when you have no reason to. It was quite evident you did it in desperation. Next time pull with a stun or the like.

You did not send me a single tell.

And for the record, when I glanced past where you were fighting at the opening to castle courtyard, literally everything was up, even the golem by the first column, and all the stuff in the castle. So I assumed you were after like 1 mob or something. I even asked in say with no response. I was simply there for the vah quest so sharing spawns was not an issue at all. Also, you can expect people to take your spawns when it takes 5+ minutes to kill a golem.
 
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"aggroing the mob with your cleric and running all the way across an area while your tank box is fighting a mob on the other side is not the proper way to pull."
-Yes
"It was quite evident you did it in desperation"
-Yes !

It just seems to me that certain zones require clearing of mobs to allow a progression. If someone has gone to the effort of clearing to into an area, just running in front of them to get onto a named just seems wrong. I see this a lot in SOD, people getting really upset because they are trying to get a certain mob and someone moves in at the last moment and gets the kill. And Z. I've experienced a MielC group where your guildies were camping a named, it was about 6 months ago. It was a fast pickup group as a named had been scouted. We ran in and made fast straight towards the named. Your guildies had cleared the area, but were medding and we ran in front. Your guild threatened to train the group I had been picked up for if we continued to try to get in front of them. So clearly even your associates see it as irritating.

Maybe it's something I'll learn to live with. Its just a perception of mine, perhaps gained because I was on a server where camping rights were strictly enforced by GMs, but it seems wrong to me to opportune other players work in this way.
 
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Quite a while ago I had someone run up and pull a mob from right infront of me and told that the first person to receive aggro from the mob was the one who it belonged to from a petition, is this not true? :(

Also welcome to sod
 
"aggroing the mob with your cleric and running all the way across an area while your tank box is fighting a mob on the other side is not the proper way to pull."
-Yes
"It was quite evident you did it in desperation"
-Yes !

It just seems to me that certain zones require clearing of mobs to allow a progression. If someone has gone to the effort of clearing to into an area, just running in front of them to get onto a named just seems wrong. I see this a lot in SOD, people getting really upset because they are trying to get a certain mob and someone moves in at the last moment and gets the kill. And Z. I've experienced a MielC group where your guildies were camping a named, it was about 6 months ago. It was a fast pickup group as a named had been scouted. We ran in and made fast straight to the mob. Your guild threatened to train the group I had been picked up for if we continued to try to get in front of them. So clearly even your associates see it as irritating.

Maybe it's something I'll learn to live with, probably because I was on a server where camping rights were strictly enforced by GMs, it seems wrong to opportune another players work in this way.
 
The only solution here is clear: We have to delete all warriors from SoD! Only then will 'camps' be fair.

But in all seriousness, yes i agree it does suck balls to get leapfrogged after a clear to a certain named. But is there anything going to be done about it? No, probably not. Just let it rest, not matter how many people will open topics like these, its never going to change unless camps also start to get recognised on SoD. But I dont see that happening any time soon, i doubt the staff is waiting for a bazillion added petitions about camp disputes!
 
SyncMizer said:
"aggroing the mob with your cleric and running all the way across an area while your tank box is fighting a mob on the other side is not the proper way to pull."
-Yes
"It was quite evident you did it in desperation"
-Yes !

It just seems to me that certain zones require clearing of mobs to allow a progression. If someone has gone to the effort of clearing to into an area, just running in front of them to get onto a named just seems wrong. I see this a lot in SOD, people getting really upset because they are trying to get a certain mob and someone moves in at the last moment and gets the kill. And Z. I've experienced a MielC group where your guildies were camping a named, it was about 6 months ago. It was a fast pickup group as a named had been scouted. We ran in and made fast straight towards the named. Your guildies had cleared the area, but were medding and we ran in front. Your guild threatened to train the group I had been picked up for if we continued to try to get in front of them. So clearly even your associates see it as irritating.

Maybe it's something I'll learn to live with. Its just a perception of mine, perhaps gained because I was on a server where camping rights were strictly enforced by GMs, but it seems wrong to me to opportune other players work in this way.
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I had no idea the named was even up until it aggroed me. And the whole area was full pop so there was no "clearing" that I could see.
 
I wouldn't really consider it rude to grab nameds in an area like that if there isn't actually a group clearing it. And if it's just a bunch of duo's in an area that's meant for a group i would consider everything fair game.
 
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Most of the time problems like this are result of bad Communication. If you send the charmfarmers a tell letting them know you are working toward a target...they usually will be fine with it. Hell, I've had them give me buffs...even help sometimes. And if you are exping sometimes they let your join the group and share in the exp. Why? Because most people are pretty damn cool in this game. But occasionaly you find there is a person that only cares about his Epeen and will crush yours to get make theirs bigger. Happens. But not as often as the previous example.

"I scream, you scream, they all scream for Epeen!"
 
I miss the good old days of EQ, where courtsey and respect toward others were a standard behavior of players. Until the immature brats flocked the MMO industry, that is.

I guess you will just have to live with the current situation, Synmizer, it will only get worse.

To those who say politeness can be forgotten after 100+ hours of stressful farming for charm, that's like saying "hey i am being paid with minimal wage, so you just gotta put up with my jackass attitude" to a customer at a McDonalds. (I'm not saying all the reps from McDonalds are jackass, many are nice actually)

Did someone put a gun on your head to farm for a charm?
 
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