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dayoldnewbie

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Hello
I am currently playing a shaman and a monk as a duo. Shaman is 60 and monk is 56. They have been hunting in velks for the last couple of days. However I am starting to think about the monk tanking ability and speed of xp gathering and loot.

What I am worried about is this: Will the monk in a duo situation be able to do tanking for the shaman and not take huge amounts of dam that makes mana efficiency low, when the mobs start hitting for 150-200+?

I have a bit of trouble deciding if I should keep monk or go for a SK/war/pally for better tanking.

Will a shaman/monk be able to kill as high level monsters as shaman/war Shaman/pally or Shaman/SK? Im not quite sure how much difference there will be in the dam a monk takes compared to a real tank. The monk gets hit less often but the tanks get hit for less dam each hit.

Im worried most of my mana will go to heal the monk all the time when i move on to harder monsters for loot and xp. Im online mostly at offpeak hours so a strong partner for my shaman would be nice.

Do you have any suggestions as to which melee partner would allow me to duo the best.

Well with the dam the monsters do at later levels a non-melee char might have been a good call, but I havent really looked into that yet :p


Btw I do not have high end gear. Most of my gear is below average for my level.
 
monk DPS will outmatch warrior/pally/sk tanking.

You won't be able to duo big things as well, but you'll be able to xp faster.

with my 65 monk/shaman duo with moderate raid loot and a handful of AAs, I can xp in the old plane of air, fire grotto, etc etc, quite well.

The monk is already 56, I'd stick with him. Things do get alittle hairy, but once your gear picks up alittle, you'll be owning.

Oh, plus when your duo has a healer/slower, light tank / puller, you can add *any* class to your duo and be more easily more effective.

Edit: Shaman mana will be fine, trust me. ;) Keep your shaman buffed up (focus and rhino) for max hp. Aego if you can get it.. canni your guts out, and torpor them back in. Once you get the AA canni, you'll have the best mana regen on WR.
 
Hi there

Thanks a lot for your answer. Im sure my monk will get a lot more usefull when he gets some levels AA's and better gear. He Was also a few levels under my shammy so I have decided to get the monk a few solo levels before he groups with shammy again. He might be better then.
I guess I will play around with a SK or pally when I get tired of Velks and getting XP :p
 
SK and Shammy are an unbeatable duoing team. The Sk will tank noticebly better than a monk at any level, not to mention the SKs excellent aggro ability.
An Sk will do around 65% of the melee damage a monk does, but this does not include spell damage, as well as the SKs ability to tap and snare, as well as invis to undead, etc.
That being said, youve got a 56 monk already, I'd just stick with it.
 
monk > sk in a duo.

in the end the monk DPS will win it off the sk tankability (because frankly, monks can tank insane stuff on WR with the proper AA + gear).

On XP mobs its not your tanking that makes you "win" its the DPS you put out. Basically getting XP at 65 is all about having enough DPS to kill a lot of mobs in the shortest amount of time.

One note though, it seems sks have a bit of an easier time pulling, although you shouldn't be needing that all too much on xp mobs anyways.

But, to be honest -> go with the class that appeals most to you. If you like to cast some spells get rid of the monk (even though hes 56) if you like to deal dps, flying kicks, run around like mr karate-joe then by all means - go monkey

p.s. afaik monks get to solo bigger things than sks do, simply because of their avoidance+dps
 
whoa now buddy. 65% of a monk's melee damage? Not so.

Let me get you some numbers. This info is from raid targets, where Gronuth (65 raid equipped SK) is not tanking, but DPSing.

Vs. Storm's Eye named Aglak the Frozen:

1:
Gronuth: 30
Injektilo: 129

2:
Gronuth: 28
Injektilo: 102

3:
Gronuth: 46
Janseth: 82

Storm Keep's Frost King Sunbane:

1:
Gronuth: 25
Janseth: 66


An SK is not going to do 60% of a monk's DPS.
 
Hello again.

Thanks for your answers guys. This is good info for me. Well Anadin according to your dps info that is something i was really looking for. It would mean i could take 2 times more dam per second from the mob since ill be killing it a lot faster too. I had no idea the dam diff could be that big.
 
Anadin said:
whoa now buddy. 65% of a monk's melee damage? Not so.

Let me get you some numbers. This info is from raid targets, where Gronuth (65 raid equipped SK) is not tanking, but DPSing.

Vs. Storm's Eye named Aglak the Frozen:

1:
Gronuth: 30
Injektilo: 129

2:
Gronuth: 28
Injektilo: 102

3:

Gronuth: 46
Janseth: 82

Storm Keep's Frost King Sunbane:

1:
Gronuth: 25
Janseth: 66


An SK is not going to do 60% of a monk's DPS.
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I was going by eqlive parses. I had no idea SKs were so gimp on WR :)
/edit my live SK at 60 with bazaar gear using 1hb was doing 1.5x the SKs DPS in your example, so if those parses are correct, something screwey going on. That looks more like 50 SK mele dps with a crap 1 hander :\
 
Nuncio said:
Anadin said:
whoa now buddy. 65% of a monk's melee damage? Not so.

Let me get you some numbers. This info is from raid targets, where Gronuth (65 raid equipped SK) is not tanking, but DPSing.

Vs. Storm's Eye named Aglak the Frozen:

1:
Gronuth: 30
Injektilo: 129

2:
Gronuth: 28
Injektilo: 102

3:

Gronuth: 46
Janseth: 82

Storm Keep's Frost King Sunbane:

1:
Gronuth: 25
Janseth: 66


An SK is not going to do 60% of a monk's DPS.
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I was going by eqlive parses. I had no idea SKs were so gimp on WR :)
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They're not, those are really bad parses. 50% is about right, but monks are higher in the DPS food chain here than on live.
 
Is this factoring in an SK pet and spells? I mean if you're just showing DPS based on physical weapon hits and bashes for the SK that's not really a good assessment is it?
 
shouldnt be. on live, SKs dow about 65% melee damage of monks insimilar gear. Wiz says monks are a bit higher DPS here, so 50% is reasonable, i guess. Just melee damage, that is.
 
My point in asking is that given the diversity of the SK class in terms of damage dealt/debuffs/pet dmg, wouldn't it be an unfair comparison to give DPS based solely on melee dmg? I don't think that's all the original poster was looking for.

I mean if you're going by raid DPS then a rogue is a better choice than either, but it's situational, so not a fair assessment.

I agree with the posts about keeping your character you have now. If you're already 56, just get him a few levels and then group with your shammy.
 
well, on live, an SK can do close to 90% of damage a monk can do with spell damage, pet, etc, but not 100% of the time (mana limitations).
An SK is a better tank, IMO.
 
There is no question that sk is a better tank.

Anyway - you said:

An Sk will do around 65% of the melee damage a monk does, but this does not include spell damage, as well as the SKs ability to tap and snare, as well as invis to undead, etc.
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Which is why I pulled purely melee numbers.
 
Anadin said:
There is no question that sk is a better tank.

Anyway - you said:

An Sk will do around 65% of the melee damage a monk does, but this does not include spell damage, as well as the SKs ability to tap and snare, as well as invis to undead, etc.
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Which is why I pulled purely melee numbers.
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Numbers which seem completely out of whack to me. So I dunno.
 
Anadin said:
What's wrong with the parses? They're straight melee DPS. :brow:
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First of all, no melee class with a good 2hander does 30 DPS unless they're also spinning in circles yelling "WOOO" while meleeing.

Secondly, they're completely off from all official parses.

Thirdly, they're all over the place, which seems to indicate you're not getting all the data.
 
<shrugs> k.

I wasn't trying to say what the relationship was between monk / shad DPS.... just saying it wasn't 100/60.

My impression was that DPS is given to flux around quite a bit. I've never seen a string of parses, so I didn't think mine were anything out of the ordinary. oh well.
 
Anadin said:
<shrugs> k.

I wasn't trying to say what the relationship was between monk / shad DPS.... just saying it wasn't 100/60.

My impression was that DPS is given to flux around quite a bit. I've never seen a string of parses, so I didn't think mine were anything out of the ordinary. oh well.
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It really is 100/60-65 on live. Apparently less, here.
 
First of all, no melee class with a good 2hander does 30 DPS unless they're also spinning in circles yelling "WOOO" while meleeing.
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:lol: :lol:


Anyway, this IS Gronuth we are talking about. He still doesn't have any melee accuracy or critical striking AA's. So I think most anyone can out dps him at the moment.
 
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