~~!~ Pally Offense lower than a Clerics ?~!~~
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GuiardoTuneweaver
Staff Emeritus
I suspect this is a known issue, falling into the same bucket as the on mentioned in this thread.
[sarcasm] Yes, now that Clerics offense goes to 225, their role has changed in the high end raid game. They are now DPS machines, rivaled only by a wizard who gets lucky with 5-6 ultimate blasts in a row! Druids are now the main healers, though the ch chain is kinda rough right now as they get used to their new role. Paladins are now relegated to backup healers. [sarcasm off]
Sorry, kinda sick of people freaking out over Clerics offense going up. They are very rarely meleeing anyways in rare group situations. In raids, they just heal. If the sk's offense is at 250, then the pally's should definitely be the same as that. Othewise, don't worry too much about the clerics offensive stats :roll:
Sorry, kinda sick of people freaking out over Clerics offense going up. They are very rarely meleeing anyways in rare group situations. In raids, they just heal. If the sk's offense is at 250, then the pally's should definitely be the same as that. Othewise, don't worry too much about the clerics offensive stats :roll:
Yea Dunbar that was my basic worry ... i know shadowknights are way more melee than pallys but i was thinkin that the skill cap of 220 was a bit low in consideration that a shadows caps at 233 or something like that before the patch was in place. I meant no offense to anyone 
Thinkmeats
War Is Good For Business
dunbar said:
Ignoring problems until they break the game is like ignoring a cut until you bleed to death. Are you honestly going to claim that clerics *should* have higher offense than bards, or whichever? I agree that it isn't a big deal, but that's no reason to shit on the thread--the threshhold for "too small to care about" is set a lot closer to vah shir than to melee skill cap.
Edit to clarify: I hate sarcastic rolleyes-laden responses. I'm not particularly worked up about melee skill caps.
zodium
Dalayan Elder
I think dunbar's point, which everyone apparently managed to miss, is that while it may be unfair in a strict sense that Clerics get an offense skill of 225 and Pallies get 220, the fact is that Pallies get vastly more out of their 220 than Clerics get out of their 225, thus kinda negating the whole unfairness point.
That said, it'll probably be changed, but for the aforementioned reasons I'm not gonna take a stand on it.
Dunbar, I'd advise you just exit the thread - once the forum denizens find a nice post they can all nag on, they don't tend to let go of the author for the duration of the thread.
That said, it'll probably be changed, but for the aforementioned reasons I'm not gonna take a stand on it.
Dunbar, I'd advise you just exit the thread - once the forum denizens find a nice post they can all nag on, they don't tend to let go of the author for the duration of the thread.
Elysium
Dalayan Adventurer
zodium said:
It's not like the OP came here going "GRARGGGH CLERIC OFFENSE HIGHER THAN PALLY NERF NERF NERF". I think it's pretty clear the intent of this post is to get the Paladin's cap boosted, which you even claim it probably will be. Dunbar makes it look like the OP is out to destroy any offense clerics have. His post was completely uncalled for, as no one was suggesting anything about Clerics being unbalanced, only Paladins.
I'm not going argue the stupidity of the ~~~ !~ ~'s though.
zodium
Dalayan Elder
Elysium said:
Dunbar was referring to Guiardo's post, linking this thread, which references caster Offense. He wasn't talking about the OP.
Wow, I'm sorry that my post seems to have upset a lot of people. I guess I shouldn't have been so sarcastic in my post. I think that a lot of people look at straight numbers, and say wow, Clerics offense goes to 225 while the bard/pal goes to 220. Thats not right, the melee's should have a higher offense stat.
People are missing the reason that Wiz made the change in the first place. Its so when a cleric isn't casting, he's not just sitting around waiting for mana to regen and watching the fight. Since we can't meditate, we might as well melee, and now we can get in a few hits. But casters with a 225 offense stat will not do as much DPS as a bard or pally with 220. The AA's are different, the dual wielding ability, the gear, its all different. Pally's will always out dps clerics.
Anyways, Zodium understood what I was trying to say, and so I'll take his advice and stay out of this thread from now on. he can explain it better than I can anyways. I just thought I would try and clear up what I meant.
People are missing the reason that Wiz made the change in the first place. Its so when a cleric isn't casting, he's not just sitting around waiting for mana to regen and watching the fight. Since we can't meditate, we might as well melee, and now we can get in a few hits. But casters with a 225 offense stat will not do as much DPS as a bard or pally with 220. The AA's are different, the dual wielding ability, the gear, its all different. Pally's will always out dps clerics.
Anyways, Zodium understood what I was trying to say, and so I'll take his advice and stay out of this thread from now on. he can explain it better than I can anyways. I just thought I would try and clear up what I meant.
Dzillon
Dalayan Master
Just wanted to take the opportunity to hijack the thread and ask if casters are , like I observed, capped at 200 in 1HB (prolly all wep styles) and 210 in offense [or the contrary, I'm not running my client now].
Thx by advance
and NEC melee >> PAL melee ftw ! and give us bows so we outdamage rangers kkthx
Thx by advance
and NEC melee >> PAL melee ftw ! and give us bows so we outdamage rangers kkthx