.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Anyway, welcome to the dev discussion 
'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Please start posting your questions in devquestions, while there is no limit, those who havent asked one yet get preference'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Please do not spam'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we are using audio to relay things, so give me a moment to retype'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'High tech!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I will post all chat things on the forums at the conclusion'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So have at it, lets get started'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'is there a plan in place to implement the class tomes that are still placeholders?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur asks what are the current proposed BL changes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Shimone, please post to devquestions'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'We have implemented the first change...kind of. We will be changing fights with WW and PS to optionally not hit pets'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Originally, this was just BL pets'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'We're gonna do this for ALL pets'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'The mechanic is in place, my job now is altering fights to make use of it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'It's not hard, just will take me a few days'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I am very interested to see how that goes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Also, I believe BLs will have some DOT changes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I would like to see Plague go away and be replaced with maybe a cold-based DOT'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'here's where it gets interesting'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'We've been talking about adding some stances that allow things like a sort of pet sacrifice to empower your dots, take more damage, whatever, at the cost of hurting your pet'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'the idea being that he's willing to go to bat for you as your loyal companion, and sacrifice himself'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'However, that may come with a price. I'm still working on how to make that work, but I like the concept'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Thoughts/questions? That's what I have planned at the moment, then I want to see DPS changes and see how things work before doing more'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we don't want a major revamp like monks'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'The DOT I just need to write up'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'You stated that the change will be applied on a fight by fight basis. Can we assume that means there will be fights where the pet damage change will not be implemented?'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'my inital reaction, is dont do a mechanic that just kills the pet, they are core to the class, and if its worth it, it means a massive headache resummoning and re iteming the pet every fight'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Oh also, I *think* i made swarms not targetable on F8, curious if that works'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'something to hurt the pet, where the beastlord balances between getting extra damage, without actually killing the pet, sounds good though'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Yes Swiftur, we were going to do it the other way as an opt-in for pet damage, but that turns out to be pretty massive in terms of balance. So we're gonna look at high-end fights first and make some changes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Solo: it would not be "kill the pet" really, I'm thinking more like DOT so you have to work to keep him up'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'But I'm still thinking that one through a bit, it won't be like the SK pet thing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Glad you brought that up'
.Brennis tells Devchat:1, 'Hurting your warder, or absorbing the life force seems a little evil and necroy'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I see it as a true commitment by the BL's pet'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'He's willing to sacrifice himself for you'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'or herself!'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'Is there a reason why changing each fight individuall was chosen? Obviously for exp AEs can still do significant damage and depending on healer mana kill your pet'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'im also hoping the dot changes are significant, because all 3 high level dots are borderline worthless now, will all 3 change or just 1?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I want to look at the other thread ideas too, but this is where I am starting'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'As everyone is well aware, Beastlord DPS is sorely, painfully lacking behind all other classes, in a lot of cases, less than half the next lowest dps. Can we expect to see damage output increases in addition to pet survivability?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Yeah the DOTs suck right now Solo. I want to start with plague, because its mega useless on BLs'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'It's possible i change more if other devs agree, but I want to start there'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur: yes, DPS increase is the goal. We're trying to do it in a way other than "increase ATK/dmg numbers" which is stupid'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Pet survivability directly impacts DPS'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'OK, we can circle back if need be, lets move to the next'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'alright, will there be an inharent increase to pet dps (specifically runic which is strangely almost no dps increase)? Or maybe mechanics through other spels/stances to increase pet dps'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Awesome. I like the idea of increasing player activity.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Shimone: Is there a plan in place to implemenet PH class tomes?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Yes!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So we have been talking about this a lot recently actually'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I think we are kinda sorta in agreement on two of them, we've gone round and round on a third, but I think everyone wants to bring them full circle soon-ish'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Because they are dumb currently'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Does that mean buffs to the underperforming tomes (apiculture, for example)?'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'or new tomes, or both?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'While I dont want to commit to which we're looking at, we have one each from priest, caster and melee'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I think the first goal is to lose the PH tomes'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'roger'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Some need a look for sure Alarcon'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, '/cough ambuscade'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'As a druid, I also find Apiculture underwhelming, but other classes need more of an immediate look I think'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'As far as timing, well'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'its beyond underwhelming, 4 ranks of the tome is ~7 dps while outdoors :|'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'It's hard to say for sure - I can't release content like this without consent, but I will work to try and get a commitment'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'ambuscade was supposed to be removed from the game long ago. it is the 4th rogue tome and does nothing, can you guys just go ahead and do that? its really painful to keep seeing it drop and rot in turuj'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'No argument Juff'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Ambuscade is a special case, if slaar is here, maybe he can speak to it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I think everyone hates it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'But I myself am not familiar with the proposed solution'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so gonna defer to him on that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Other tome stuff?'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'is there discussion among devs about the turuj tome trade in system?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Well'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'the current situation, of everyone perma farming turuj for tomes they may never see is really painful'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'There hasn't been a whole lot of support for it TBH, those tomes are by design supposed to be hard to get'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'It's a major discussion'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and hasnt been a priority'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'i think hard to get and farming basement for 4 years are different'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so while I won't rule it out, it's not something I don't think we're super hot to trot on'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i get that'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'What about with characters who were grandfathered in (and thus have all their R4s), being incentivized to be boxed instead of playing a toon that only has their class R2s'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but im not sure a turn-in is the right solution'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'ie toons like solosolki and zapple have been killing turruj FOREVER and still dont have all their tomes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'That is indeed a problem Alarcon'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'And Sabuti'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'I have concerns about damaging my own pet to create additional DPS, unless it's very significant. I can't picture harming my pet with a dot so that he can do more dps and then i'll just do less healing him. This especially concerns me from a solo/duo perspective. Can you elaborate further on these changes? Also, you mentioned changes to beastlord stances, can you confirm that our current /s 7 (Spiritual Empathy/HP sharing) will remained unchanged?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's just a harder one to solve'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I will come back to it Swiftur sure'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'also some of those class tomes are sort of required, we reguarly have to box retired enchanters over active mains because of missing tomes, they could easily not see for years'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, '^that^'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'i could maybe agree with you in the event that shining force was still the only guild killing turruj, but now that so many other guilds need turruj to progress, they cant because we're still farming it every chance we get for class books'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Nod'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but again, I don't think a turn-in system necessarily solves it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So yeah, it needs addressing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but with so many issues going on, it just hasnt been given top billing'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'the ONLY way to solve it is some system that allows you to get a specific tome... turn ins is what makes the most sense to me, as it means you have been actively trying fort a long time'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'i do think it would help doue to the ridiculous amount of rot tomes from turruj. i mean it literally seems like its coded to drop class tomes that arent there'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'My last thought on the tomes thing - perhaps there could be mathematical alterations to the formula for tome drops so that you can not drop a rot tome (would have to pull tomes for the raid and generate those on the spot)'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'it could even be a rediculous rate, like 4 for first, 8 for 2nd, 16 for 3rd, so that nobody is realisticly getting more than 2 tomes through turn ins'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'possibly'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'this actually leads into the next question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so let me bridge those'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Alarcon: can you rate the priorities of the following: new client, new raid/6 man, class balance, encounter balance, ikisith 2, bugs, etc. and other'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'great question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and related to this'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so I myself work on core mainly, that is all the machanical crap, client, logic, etc., I do a very little bit of content'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'right now my role for content is supporting some of our other newer folks'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so with that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it means the content-related things are actually a parallel priorirty'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so MY perspective: i put BL balance as #1 (because I want it over with), 2.5 as #2, bugs as #3'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'saldy, we've had a couple big bugs recently'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so i've had to deal with that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'As for our content priorities'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I will say we have new encoutners waiting right around the corner'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Some very high tier'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Some for newer players'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '^/clap^'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Are any of the others Devs / Admins able to chime in on their levels of effort for this stuff?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'hang on'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Iki 2 content is getting attention right now'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'as are some 6 mans'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Sorry if I'm jumping the gun on stuff'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I will personally say my pet content project, when i ever have time, is fleshing out a zone'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'That most people will like, but this other stuff is a priority'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Here's the problem'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '#Upperthaz2015?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, '2.5 is basically only a couple of us, it's VERY hard code'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'We were getting some help from a couple of eqemu folks, but they too get swamped like we do'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So lately I've fended for myself, but we recognize this HAS to get done'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I am committed to doing so, but I need RL to stop interfering, because it takes a lot of time and concentration'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'We're sickeningly close'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but the bugs that remain are big enough to hold it up'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'jumbers has asked me to rank those, i assume so he can help out'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I'm hoping that the next few months will be productive'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I hate not having it more than you do, trust me'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I consider it a personal failing its not done'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but it is what it is'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So that's all I can say without putting words in others' mouths'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'But we have 2 content people actively at work, and some core folks too'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so parallelism'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'You high end folks will like the new raid encounter'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'If I stop breaking core code so we can release it'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'just as I wanted to quit the game some nerd releases new high tier content...'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'lol Xenlan'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Just out of curiosity, what's your dev cycle look like? Is it waterfall, iterative, agile, or what? How do you process things from percieved need to finished product?'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'just remember you're here forever'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok, next question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Risette: to distill the question, how are we addressing the gap between new 65 and T1 content?'
.Risette tells Devchat:1, 'Yes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'There is a fair amount out there believe it or not, but yeah population isnt helping'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'a bit of an inside secret i guess, you'll see more TS stuff in the near future'
.Wlof tells Devchat:1, 'there is no gap from 65 to t1 you can buy boe gear tha tis better then t4 besides bountys making t6 stuff'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I won't spoil it beyond that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'if people are selling Wlof'
.Brennis tells Devchat:1, 'TS stuff? Oooo, there's a certain gnome who must be happy'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I get Risette's point'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'oh snap'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'But yeah, I think improved pop will help a ton'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'New Tradeskill items! By matbar's beard!'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'hahaha...I could get behind that, I'd be taking beard grower all day'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'New client does alot of fun stuff for making tradeskills less painfull too'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Civin: how will upcoming BL changes and tomes affect 2.5 progression?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I need to get BL done, it's a pet project (no pun intended). Tomes are more content-related, so it doesn't affect 2.5 at all really'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'BL isn't hard, building consensus is hard, but that's a good thing'
.Brennis tells Devchat:1, '2.5 uses the new tradeskill system? Wouldn't that mean they'd have to greatly nerf tradeskill exp?'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'can we expect any new tomes before 2,5?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'But I want it done'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I think so Marthog?'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'Boo on easy tradeskills'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'No promises'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, '/clap'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Cheer on less repetitive strain injury'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Kuzar: now that COP has been addressed, is there a plan to address charm grind?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Personally speaking, I don't mind charms, and think they help keep a lower pop server economy in check'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I don't really think there are plans to change that that I'm aware of'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I'd like to see a 3M plat charm some day, but I digress'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, '0_0'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'so you like using not your own characters to farm money?'
.Jauth tells Devchat:1, 'its in devchat'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I have never done that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So I wouldn't know'
.Jauth tells Devchat:1, 'wtf'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'the charm grind is harder now with many places being nerfed and tome prices rising, as well as buyable tomes being one of the only venues for newer dudes to dump exp'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Well'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I guess related'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I *would* like to see some more content with decent pp/BOE sellable stuff in it'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'yeah CoPs might not have been fun but it was ahuge, cheap, exp sink for new players, so they could more easily do mid tier raiding'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'On that note, have we considered rebalancing some of the plat from six mans? Not BOEs, just plat drops?'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'And I mean regardless of what you farm with, you usually exclude people if you actually just need money'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'That doesn't help a low pop server'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Alarcon: decisions like that are usually up to the zone/encounter designer'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So since halloween is my only REAL content right now, that's all I can speak to'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'speaking of halloween rewards...'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'what do you think about raising BoE tome drop rates?'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'wow, its like a spell to summon a swiftur'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Possibly - I kind of like the idea of EED maps dropping them, but maybe I'm in the minority there, I dunno'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'the demand of tomes rose significantly and the supply of tomes did not rise to such levels, raising the general price of most books'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'maps dropping tomes would be cool. maybe a no drop (or token) version so the market isn't flooded'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Do you have plans to remove the 15 minute timer that gets placed on pet heals after using Token of Major Lunar Agility?'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'if the prices get too high, maybe people will jsut go and farm them?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I'm happy to raise the BOE tome issue'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'I can name 3 zones that drop tomes right now with no one in them. *shrug*'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur, question channel pls'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'whats the question channel name?'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'My bad, seemed related'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Tomes are tricky though, I don't want to commit to anything on them without other devs chiming in, I will try to see if we can talk about it on the forums'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Xenlan: what do I think about BW gloves being a sidegrade to Serizus?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'It's been raised a bunch, there are a few items like that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I'd love to fix them all'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I don't have the bandwidth to look at it personally, but I think we need to try and look at the big offenders'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I will raise it'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'thanks'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'so to clarift'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'its identified as a problem'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'and not a "perfectly fine" thing?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Yeah I think most people would agree top-tier content should not be a side grade in most cases'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'maybe it is? but I guess peronsally speaking that seems wrong'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'there should be reason to want loot off top tier stuff'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'what is your stance on high tier gear seriously lacking stats after the nerfs on monk usable gear and needing to swap in lower tier items because of it?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'who is using serizus gloves over bw gloves'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Slaar can comment!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yay'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Esp on monk stuff pls'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'xenlan'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'who is using serizus gloves over bw gloves'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'hardly no one because they're a pain in the dick to get'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'nobody, unless a mob has FR'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'ok'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'i wish i had a pair because there is t13 mobs that have fire resist'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'but they are very close in DPs'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'just checking'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'ie rujik moktar, bw gloves suck'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'carry on'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'basically if a mob has slightly lower DR than FR the serizus will yield higher DPS'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Honestly, I'm hoping once 2.5 is done we'll have more time to look at this stuff, I know theres some disconnect on a few items right now'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'serizus gloves arent *better*, its just that BW gloves, being 3 tiers higher, are only maybe 2-3%; more dps (assuming all other factors are equal)'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'most other melees dont have weapons from much easier monsers tthat are so comparable to ones from very difficult ones'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'For example, no rogue with 4.3 dagger will think "I wonder if i should use the dagger from undercity over 4.3 dagger"'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i dont want to get too hung up on a specific item, but we can chat about it off line'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'I remember getting a tier up and geting new focuses that were 1-2%; better, so why is 2-3%; better not an upgrade?'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, '2-3%; on a mob thats probably 6 mannable, vs the hardest killable raid mob in the game ??'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Xenlan: are there plans to add loot to thaz 1 encounters, and plans to implement upper thaz?'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'because it is not 1 tier up, it is 3 tiers up'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'oh no you asked that while woldaff was online now we're all going to die'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Woldaff want to comment?'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'and with focus, you gain cast speed, damage, mana con, etc, so a rank of all of them (or two from 3 tiers) is a lot more than 2-3%;'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'may have to defer on that one'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yeah'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Solosolki: 4 months ago there has been an issue with crashing 50%; of the time loading/zoning. VPN kind of fixes it, but has its own problems. what gives?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Probably #1 question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i get yelled at a bunch about it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So without getting in the networking weeds'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'The client uses lightweight packets that do not guarantee delivery'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'because it's faster'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'however, it also means they can get lost'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Some ISPs, machines, whatever seem VERY good at this'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I personally have few problems here, then i go to another location and it is abysmal'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'The reason VPNs work is they encapsulate that traffic into a guaranteed delivery protocol basically'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but because it's heavier-weight, yeah, there are issues'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Newer clients are better about this'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Aside from a newer client, or the VPN trick, I know of no other way to alleviate the problem at present'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'which stinks, but'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'all the more reason i need to get off my ass and finish 2.5'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'So 2.5 fixes the problem?'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'alright, well its not terrible with VPN, might wanna put an announcement/discalimer on the front page, so everyone knows how to at least help with it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'if anyone ever wants to talk deep packet nerd stuff, we can'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'not a bad idea Solo'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'it took me over a month just to figure out the VPN would help'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur: it won't prevent it, but I bet it will be a lot better'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but yeah, short nerd answer is UDP vs. TCP'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'oh god'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur: We've all noticed server funds in the yellow. Why no account drive, and will we be on the EQEMU server list?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'OK, two parts to this, one is Woldaff'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'he declares account drives, yell at him, I agree!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'rest assured, we're ok on money right now'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'The EQEMU list is interesting'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'well at least the netcode is better than trying to play quake over IPX or hyperterminal back in the day'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So two major problems there: 1., they like to do their own account managey stuff, and 2, we must run a patcher with 2.5, it will not be optional'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Yes alarcon'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'new netcode!'
.Admin-Woldo tells Devchat:1, 'Thrown under the bus.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ACCOUNT DRIVE'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'sorry woldo =p'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'make it happen sir'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'the people demand it'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, '/demand'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so just real quick, with 2.5, eqemu listing may be a possilbiity, i hope it happens, but there are technical challenges'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'for the record'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'patching WILL NOT be optional in 2.5, the game won't work right'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Regarding eqemu list, i am of the opinion we would see a very significant population increase if that were to happen, what are staffs thoughts on that?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we are doing some pretty cool stuff with client reqruites on the fly, but it requires the patcher to happen'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I think so too, but it's not as easy as it sounds Swiftur, and cannot happen until 2.5 due to compatibility'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'I know, I think we all get that. Thanks'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur: 15 min timer on pet heals from Token of Major Lunar Agility'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I keep forgetting about that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I will put it on my priority list, that's all me'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'NOT INTENTIONAL'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Sovereign does the same thing... just saying'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'interesting'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Many thanks =)'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Shimone: Any considerations for certain buffs stacking with illusions?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Illusions are the worst thing in the history of the world'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Because stacking/overwriting is a huge pain'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I got rid of illusion on halloween items'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '"He said, having made everyone in blackburrow a gnoll"'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'But yeah, there are some problems, we can really only deal on a case-by-case basis, and sometimes the fix is worse than the original problem'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i *hate* illusions with a passion'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'from a spell perspective'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So we should probably look at a few, but I think it's back burner atm'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Other related things? That's a big topic'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and im sure not the answer ppl want'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Related to spells, or illusions?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but i didnt make the spell system'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'illusions and stacking them'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok cool'
.Rinku tells Devchat:1, 'Can we have a summary of the proposed beastlord changes?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'next'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Is it possible for player size to be taken into an account when an illusion fades?'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'for example, shrink, get somatic bond, no longer shrunk... sad face'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Hah! Actually I tried at one point'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's SO hard to track'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yes, it's possible but 100x harder than it should be'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so it hasn't been done yet'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but i pray for the day it gets done'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Hope is all i needed lol'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Alarcon: Rules for adjusting an existing dev's content?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'heh'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'None of us likes it?'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Well, retired dev'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'seriously though'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yeah'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So I've looked at a few things'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I have BW HM I'm working on right now'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'shoutouts to taryth HM BW'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Also looking at Eniva'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'And a few others'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'here's the problem'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'you have to get in a retired dev's head to figure out intent'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'how hard was the fight supposed to be? is this broken or intended?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Should half the raid be dead at the end?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's VERY hard'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'That said'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'Does original intent truly matter if the dev is retired? Serious question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'absolutely'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'because'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'is the fight doable and this guild just sucks? is also a thing t keep in mind!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'things like loot and such are often based on difficulty and other factors'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its so much harder than I thought when i first started'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'like you have no idea'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'yeah its pretty insane'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Me and the other guy working on Eniva is a good example'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's an awesome fight'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'terribly broken'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'fixing it is dozens of hours of work'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we have spent at least that much just deciphering it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'when we're done, we still get to look at loot and make sure it's ok, because no one has it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'BW HM same thing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I know there is some horribly broken stuff out there'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we need to be very sure what we're putting in the wild'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'hence why we're careful about altering older content'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we'd almost rather make new, but some fights like Marza ones are just too cool to let die'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so that's my kind of non-committal answer'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we try'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but would rather make new TBH'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'what about the missing deity quest lines?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Kuzar: Claw Commander system is a long encounter'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'devquestions please Marthog, kind of separate'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Yes it is Kuzar, and we're comfortable with it at present. The fact he's killed so often speaks to that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'plus its just a fun encounter imo'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'It took 4 hours to just get a set of orders'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'sometimes it does'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'can orders be made higher drop rate'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i've also had them drop on the second mob'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'farming for hours hoping for 1 random drop should not be the challenge of an encounter'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's a RNG thing I'm afraid'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'also, winning a claim due to 100%; rng is kind of lame too'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'well it's better than the old way of getting claim'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'agreed'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'wait wait'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'The claiming is better, but it went from like a 90 minute target to at least 2.5 hours'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'Do people kill Claw Commander because it's a necessary step of progression? That's a wildly different beast than "players like it and it's popular"'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i just think it's how the encoutner is designed. I've done CC many times and don't really mind it'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'is there really farm races for the orders is that a real thing still?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'i remember being in one or 2 order farming race scenarios'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'senkou if you start thinking about how killing a mob to progress is boring you are aiming straight for the rabbit hole that ends in you wondering where this decade of your life went you should be very careful.'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'not common, but it still happens'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'that is so gratifying thank you'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'I mean RNG is fine, but 4 hours is just brutal just to get a claim'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'I think there's sometimes a difference between progression and fun and I don't see why there should be'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Soun: Did the suggestion to add an x,y modification get noticed?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I noticed it yes and it's a great idea (meant Soen)'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Just need to do it, there's a few slight tricks to overcome'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i will put it in as a feature request'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'where is the fun part of claw commander?'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'it doesnt exist'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'in short, its a good idea'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and will get done...well...'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'probably some day I'm on a plane and bored heh'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Solosolki: any plans to change 4.3 INT caster items? Also, what about channeling?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'First part, I have no idea.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Channeling, yeah I know that's been a topic before'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I will bring it up again, honestly I don't know'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'i think the big part of his questing is in regards to Bane of the Fallen God, and not being usable by anyone but enchanters'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'what does channeling do other than flavor text on the item'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'I think it makes it so you can move more when casting'
.Varjojen tells Devchat:1, 'reminds you that the item is bad and you shouldnt wear it'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'or something like that'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'wow best mod'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'it helps prevent interruption'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'can you elaborate'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'like when you get hit while casting etc'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, '*steps back*'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'can you cast through stuns'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'hm i have but i think that was due to stun resists'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'in combination'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'channeling really should be changed to be useful again. i mean fights like hardmode blazewind would probably be possible now had that and a lot of other high end items not been nerfed'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'you wish'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So folks know'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'are the items that were balanced around channeling going to get any stat boost?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'my takeaway from this meeting is a list of things to bring to the rest of the devs'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so i *will* be putting this in front of folks'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'well i dont really understand the point of nerfing that then making fights easier, when having stuff like that would make them be killable regularly..'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'hey i just checked and yes channeling will ge you through a stun i was sure i had seen that happen'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'so that's good news'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'you even get a cool message'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'but again there's the problem a lot of items that have it were "balanced" around it providing crit instead'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, '^'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'well show me the proof you have that that is a real thing and then we can discuss it at another time not during taryth's talks'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'heh'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'cool, deferring to slaar'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Civin: Any plan to look at shaman runic 1?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'can we discuss shaman runic 2 in this question as well?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I don't see the problem with it really'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'sure Tev'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'you mean the hot/slow?'
.Civin tells Devchat:1, 'yeah, it is a pretty bad spell. high mana, low heal, majorly bad for moving'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'and melee dps'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'Juffington: the spell is basically unusable 99%; of the time because half the server has it blocked because it slows them'
.Civin tells Devchat:1, 'the runic 2 is kind of bad too'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'also, runic 2 HP cost is pretty high for relatively low healing'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'I know a lot of players that have blocked the shaman runic 2 because it has a 20%; slow, which doesnt actually mean 20%;.. because it takes presedence over haste... so with goe and bard song its like 120%; slow'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i think 1 is ok, it's just situational'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'runic 1*'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, '2 maybe we could argue about'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'its not, the situation is: you can cast it only on caster group ever and never have to move and teh casters have no other group healer'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'will put that as a discussion item'
.Civin tells Devchat:1, 'ty'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'And What About Elemental Barrage???'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'whats wrong with elemental barrage?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'in the situations where you are doing a mob that AoEs and casters REALLY need a ghot but the tank isnt taking enoguh damage to need a woundbane where you also dont need to move'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'what *is* wrong with Elemental Barrage?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I'm not a mage, so i dont know'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'it doesnt scale with elemental damage'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Well fortunately we have a mage dev'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'who knows i never got it'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i made it so you can buy for 13k though'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i'm sure he'll be on that like stink on a monkey'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'to be honest lures in general are not that useful since the resist changes'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'i think i am a more qualified mage than slaariel'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'most people are my strength is not is playing a mage only in roleplaying a mage and making frogs say things'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'and elf languages,'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's added to the discussion list'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'if something cool could be do with lures (make them bypass cs or reflect or something)? that'd be cool'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i made a thing to bypass cs/reflect'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, '*insert replace arcane acuity*'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Senkou: is there a concern about monk weapons being a downgrade to bare fists?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Slaar wanna field that?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'not it'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'are stats important? if yes then they are an upgrade if no then stop talking about undying loyalty the end'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, '... what?'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'I'm a t9 monk i don't have undying loyalty'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'that doesnt make sense'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'ok'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'Ambuscade Expertise II can we please remove this right now forever'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'the problem is the stat to DPS ratio is almost never worth it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Question channel Sabuti'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'yeah they are probably lower dps by a bit compared to fists but what is the alternative? if fists were lower dps why ever go weaponless?'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'have fists be useful for certain things and weapons others?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i would love to remove punching from the game or rather i would have loved that a year ago not anymore'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'give them separate functions?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'o what certain things'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'ie have fists all have ae procs and maek them for exp groups or something like that?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'is that your best idea'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'I just didn't know if weapons were supposed to be a DPS downgrade compared to fists'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'no that was just the first thing I thought of'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'And wanted to have some clarification'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'make weapons provide some kind of utility-proc or add tankability'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'they do add tankability'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'come on'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'I mean the amount of useless mob drops because weapons are 100%; pointless now is real dumb'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'a majority of weapons in the game are not worth the DPS loss for stat gain'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'again what is the alternative? if hand dps is lower than weapons'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'then why have it as an option'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'There were alternatives floated'
.Kharras tells Devchat:1, 'only weapon worth using is monstro 2h in ae groups'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'name 1 good alternative'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'we want there to be situations for both barefists and weapons to be usable'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'and not one to just be 100%; the always correct answer'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, '^'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'we want interesting choices and decisions about how to play the game'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'what is a situation in which you would accept a dps nerf? here is a hintL you will never ever accept a decrease in dps'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'not once not ever in any circumstance'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'you know how some spells are single target and some arent?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'if moon comet is highest damage spell why cast anything else??????'
.Dutoit tells Devchat:1, 'Could be AoE dps vs single target dps as Juffington suggested'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'why cast tashanian when nuke does more damage?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'these are all good questions that you should have an inner dialog with yourself about'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'all discussion shows that a decrease in dps is never an option'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'If bare fists are intended to be more DPS, does that mean I'm going to have DPS scaling issues past t9?'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'One could be used for short fights i.e exp one could be for longer fights but anything would be better than being trolled by an admin in a serious conversation'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'next question please'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'for real'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok lets move on though'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'because this is going off the rails'
.Dutoit tells Devchat:1, 'If you're going to have one always better than the other though, shouldn't weapons be better so all the weapons that currently drop for monks aren't useless rots?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'next '
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'all this was a bit off track from my original question, all i wanted was clarification'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'also ok'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Kuzar: any plans to adjust reagents on spells, esp. savagery'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'heh'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'well'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'ohh thats a good 2'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'good 1*'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Savagery is a REAL [point of contention, I will be honest'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Reagents in general are in fact'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and actually that's why we havent changed it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'because the question is: why change it just there?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'can i ask a q here'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'YES'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'please, since you and I brawl over this'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'to add to that. Can i ask why Gaze of Unflagging Aggression click was changed from savagery to spiritual vigor? this item use to alleviate the reagent problem'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'why is it bad to have 2-3 stacks of peridots on hnad to cast a really good spell (i mean free peridots i could come up with a reaso to not take real ones)'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'my only question is: what do reagents actually add to the game? does it make it fun/more itneresting etc?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'here's my counter argument'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'makes you load a mage'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i am sure that i not your only question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Savagery is already highly punitive in duration and cost'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Slaar: as most classes, nothing. because they have reagent conversation options... Beastlords dont have any readily wearable reagent con options'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but honestly there are two sides to this'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'if it's an itemization issue i can see that being a real factor and i'm ok with adding r-con to some items even though i know that the ones i add it to will not be good enough'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'if you make something require a reagent should make it one you cant load a mage and summon them'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'there use to be this really cool item... a guy named Dimmi has it... rip'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'the reagents are vendor bought, and require ZERO skill to acquire'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'like arrows?'
.Daffie tells Devchat:1, 'thumb wrestle it out'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'let me ask this'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and this is kind of inside-the-dev-head talk'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'scary'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'would people be willing to lose some resists on Savagery if it meant no more reagents?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'yes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'JUST A QUESTION'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'not proposing it'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'yes'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'i dont think the resists on savagery have mattered in a really long time'
.Radu tells Devchat:1, 'only time it ever mattered was low to maybe mid-tier'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'Also duration on savagery could be changed to be longer but the same can cast on same number of people just to make it less tedious'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Part of Savagery is it IS tedious, but that's my point as to maybe why reagents dont make sense'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'should make savagry group wifde and not stack with cunning'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i kind of like that part of it'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'and same duration'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'No it doesn't make it tedious it makes it you have no inventory because you summon 5 stacks of peridots before a raid'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'to the larger issue of reagent in general that's another thing too.. my argument is that we have so few mechanics available to us that to ignore one of them does a disservice to the game and to ignore this one in particular steps on mage toes'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, '.....'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'if we are not using reagent mechanic in the best way that's something we can discuss but i would not like to ignore it as a whole'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'Man every mage has always said to me gee I love summoning peridots'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'I don't think many people take issue with reagents... because they HAVE reagent conservation!'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'it doest step on our toes when they just load a mage to summon them before raid'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'It also kinda echos old school D&D / MUD casting mechanics, where alot of spells required a physical reagent or focus - '
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Their 1 stack of dots can last them... months'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'yes shimone if you want to talk about buff bots that is another enormous issue'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'loading a character, casting one spell, and camping it does not step on that classes toes'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'except cunning/sav for bst'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'it doesbecause you are not taking a person of that class on your group / raid'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'right but you wouldn't take a mage just for summons anyway?'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'there's basically one class that wouldn't get to go on a raid and that 's not due to buffbots'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'I have a serious question about this'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'go ahead matbar'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'using that logic, everyone would "require" a bard or enchanter in their group for haste/mana regen'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'Would it be fair to take the reagent from this bst spell when wizards, clerics and others still need them'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'this is a huge topic'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'You bring any class because you like them or you need the combat things their class provides for that situation'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'of course not, buffs and summons really do factor in to a class's group / raid utility'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'and is it THAT hard to carry 5 stacks of dots compared to rangers and 10 quivers for example'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'required is requiring a bard from t1-t11 or whatever because every fight needs pot4'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'I can understand the irritation over lack of reagent con for bsts and the durations, but every class has a space issue thing'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i agree that the best people to bring on your raids is people you like but we can't balance for likability'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'arrow conservation focus'
.Varjojen tells Devchat:1, 'just because rangers got their inventories shit on doesnt mean other classes should also'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'people are very cavalier about pawning off the abilities of classes they do not play / enjoy / "main" in general and that's not a good place to argue from'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'But in raiding t1 through t13 mabes are never brought due to summons they are brought because they are part of our raid. if the summons are needed you handle it before'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'To counter Matbar's question. Rangers only NEED a few quivers and a stack of arrows will last a really long time. A quick is 1 item slot and will make another stack of arrows. Rangers also get arrow conversation AAs'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'if a classes utility is also vendor bought....'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'you summon modrods before raids and never again? jeez i shoulda beenin your guild'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'I'm not talking about just arrows'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'Yeah? there are mana potions, mana clickies, etc'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'Every class has a space user'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'I know top end warriors carrying 2 bags of focus items'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'What Kuzar said for casters'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'if we don't have a mage (because one isn't online) we haven't logged one in for mod rods'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'well at the very least'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'I just seriously am asking if a few stacks of dots should be a game changer?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it makes sense to think about reagent con'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'None of those space users are required for you to use your bow or cast your spells, other than reagents'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'yeah if there are no bst rc items that's a real issue with no counter argument really'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but something tells me we've got more bickering to do about this'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and thats ok'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'There are 2 in game that i'm aware of'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '1 is from mield, the other no longer drops'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'added to list'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'im talking reagent con 7 items mind you'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'Also savagery is cast a lot thus it doesn't require just a stack of dots, it requires multiple stacks'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'lets move on, just because its getting late and other people have questions queued up'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'wow whoever made those mield items sure knows a lot about itemization gaps (it was me)'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '^many many stacks'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'unlike raego'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'yea slaar made the mielech D loot i swear'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'I SWEAR'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'take comp str off Loop of the Tireless, add regeant con 7, gg'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Alarcon: What does the SoD development cycle look like'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'lolololo'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'well'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'hey!!!! i can answer this one too!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'one of my favorite Robin Williams quotes from Birdcage'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'but you need to tell me which thing is being developed'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'It's like riding a psychotic horse towards a burning stable'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'seriously though'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we have an issue tracker'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'that breaks things down in terms of bug vs feature'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'bugs, if they are serious, we tend to pounce on'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'this is largely for codebase changes and sometimes item fixes but new content is not in this conversation'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and usually pre-empt other activities'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Features often we take it upon ourself to adopt a feature and run with it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but yeah slaar is right, content is different'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so for content, people own it themselves'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'they develop the concept'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we figure out a tiering for it or whatever'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'start to itemize and monsterize it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'put in new mechanics in core when needed'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'test it until things stop majorly breaking'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'then before we release, we validate loot and such'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'at least that's the idea'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'this is the idealized version'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but content is WAY different'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'So it's more of an iterative design approach?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'when we do patchy-core changes, its usually i break something, we revert, i fix, we try again'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yep'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'content creation is 'directed' to an extent by woldaff who will yell at you about lore and by me, admin-slaar who will yell at you for all the other reasons but largely if you make something i am happy to have it in the game'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we're too thin to do much else'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yeah lore is a thing too'
.Llib tells Devchat:1, 'why is monk dps so solid compared to other classes slaar? just curious if it was intended or what'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'llib, devquestions channel pls'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'there really is a method to our madness'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's just ad-hoc sometimes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur: is Marza returning?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'highly simplified'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'That is not what i asked lol'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'well'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'hey man'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'you asked about bad blood and stuff'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i will answer your real question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i was not here for Marza dev, so walking away'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'no one here dislikes marza even a little and every time he hints that he wants to return we get excited and then he doesn't show up and we get sad'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'that's it that's the whole story'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i have heard he wants to return literally as recently as this week'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'there you have it'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'will eisley be returning to dev?'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'I asked if staff is open Marza's return, should he want to. So thank you Slaar for answering'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'it is about the 7th time i have heard it'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'is that the true story?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'yes 100%; true'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'even the part about nobody disliking marza?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'who is here to dislike marza?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'no one ever had a problem with marza he is a very nice guy'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'and we have played many other games together'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'here's the thing guys'
.GM-Twist tells Devchat:1, 'To answer Sabuti Eisley WIL NOT BE RETURNING!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'as a relatively newer dev'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we fight a lot'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its not personal'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its a good healthy thing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it keeps us grounded and introduces opinions we didnt think of'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Slaar jumbers and I just had it out the other day'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I dont hate them, and pretty sure they dont hate me'
.Aakadar tells Devchat:1, 'did you kiss and make up afterwards'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its how we resolve things'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'a girl doesnt kiss and tell aakadar'
.Radu tells Devchat:1, 'fights are good, just ask any couple that's been together for many years'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'regardless of opinion we are all adults here'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I like our fights most days, it's ok'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'exactly'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'that sums it up slaar'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'hey 1 more thing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and lets face it'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, '1 more'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Marza made cool content'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'gotta respect the guy'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'if you make content for me that is good it does not matter if i think you are an awful person irl it really does not at all'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i love people who add content to the game'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'Do I get points for being married to Twist for 20 years worth of "discussions?"'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'lol'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'anyway, I think that answers that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'honestly, a good question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Marthog: ETA on deity quest lines? Do we want/need help?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'man'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'WTB help'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'thhbpt'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I think Nwaij siad he'd do it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'honestly, it needs doing, just need someone to adopt the project'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'only thing i can confirm is NOT IT'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'too much going on'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but hey, if you have good ideas, send it to slaar'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'seriously'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'dev apps to [email protected]'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, '^'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'learn to code the sod way'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'god help you'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'think i'll wait till 2.5 k thx'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'same,'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Dovonix: how much of a salary do you want to make devving on SoD a full time job'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Match my current salary for a year and I will quit tomorrow'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'if that's an offer'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'same'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'crowd fund sod devs!'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i dont even make much'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'way less travel'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i'd love it to be a full time job, but game devs dont make much'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and i have a stupid truck payment so'
.GM-Twist tells Devchat:1, 'Nice truck though....'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Paypal me lots and we'll talk'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Alarcon: Arcane Knights'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'no'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'next'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'to my chagrin'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'wait can i talk about AK for 1 second'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Xenlan: Any plans to make druids more desirable in 6 mans?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yes slaar'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'briefly: it's already hard for 15 classes to have raid roles (see this current question) and adding a 16th class exacerbates that pretty much necessarily ok that's all i had to say'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'holding this question for a sec'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'and better than "worse cleric" (the 2nd part of the question!!)'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'oh and no berserkerds'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok slaar'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I reject your premise for *most* 6 mans'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'there are some that i agree it wont work'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but there are fights like that for pretty much every class'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'some are VERY specific group makeups'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Someone asked a related question i'll repost. Are there plans to look at changes how druid hots "tick" to make them more efficient'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but seriously as a mained druid, I feel I keep up just fine on most things'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'you can't mess with ticks,.,.,.,.,.,'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Yeah swiftur, i wanted to tie that in'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we can't really realistically do it'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '<3'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i wish'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but cant'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'NOW'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Is that a current client issue?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'desired and "able to be brought" are different things'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'what I will point out '
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's a "how EQ was designed" issue'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'everything in the game is ticks!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'what the tick hot thing did do'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'was give me some interesting encounter ideas'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'that function outside the strict game mechanics '
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so you might see that on certain encounters someday'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'in concept, absolutely. Paractically, can't do it'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Is it possible to have druids raid healing role looked at in comparison to clerics then?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'in what way?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'they arent ideal group healers, and arent ideal at keeping the tank alive'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i feel absolutely druids have a strong raid role'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'druids will never be clerics'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and thats ok'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'a strong role of being 100%; worse than a cleric and providing just buffs?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i disagree strongly'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'would it be possible to make a group version of relic hot?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i am not sure this game needs MORE healing TBH'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'HoTs are what define them and the discussion was just about how it's the game mechanics causing their utility to suffer'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'It seems like a raid wide hot might be in order. Something strong, short lasting, think relic hot maybe 2 ticks, and a little less powerful'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i thought about a HOT version of VIM'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but honestly, VIM is insane'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it would take quite a bit of discussion'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'also nerf clerics,'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'vim is insane if you can use it on 1-2 people'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'as a druid, in a raid, my job is to lighten the load on clerics and spot heal'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i will never keep a weak caster group up through aggressive AEs'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'maybe druids should have lots of fast casting spells'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'druids are bad at spot healing, that is a shamans job'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'to pad heals'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but i sure as heck can help make sure clerics dont group heal non-stop'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'pad heal a tank or pad heal ag roup?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i do not see changes coming to druids, hoenstly i do not see the issue with them really'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'at least in utility/healing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'tomes are another story'
.Kharras tells Devchat:1, 'think making their archaic even better , whether it be outright or scaling with tomes would be nice'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'in short, i would not expect major changes outside of tomes right now'
.Kharras tells Devchat:1, 'i do think druids are a bit lackluster'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'solution to HoTs - add some small mitigation ro them so they're useful aside from the HoT ticks'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Fair enough. Lets go back to beastlords... Can you elaborate on your summarized changes to stances and talk of damaging pets for dps'
.Kharras tells Devchat:1, 'i would say the best possibly heal set up in a raid is 3 clrs and 2 shms'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, '3 clrs 2 shm 1 paladin'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'good opinion'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 's'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'its not really an opinion, theres 0 reason to take a druid other than casting regen past a certain point'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Xenlan: what is the justification for nerfing weight reducing bags?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'um'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'you just have to group heal over ghots anyway'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'weight reduction matters?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'who took the time out of their day to nerf them?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'out of all the things'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'It matters in that it's tiring to have all your stuff, even bags, nerfed?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'hell if i know'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'why do we care?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'who thought, "hrmph i should nerf this bag"'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'seriously, as players'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'it has bugged me for YEARS '
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'honestly though'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'are there not bigger concerns?'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'Time is taken to nerf WR on bags but significant issues (seemingly) go unaddressed?'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'who took the time to take 5 dex off taesh belt * eyeballs slaar *'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i mean if we think this is a pressing concern ok, but i didnt know anyone cared'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i think it was woldaff but i dont kno his reasoning except that maybe bags dont scale well as is'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'what kuzar said'
.Varjojen tells Devchat:1, 'it would take 15 seconds to unnerf '
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'removing WR takes 0.05 seconds'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'implementing a new tome is weeks of effort'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'I thought WR stuff was related to (then) monk mechanics'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'i think the bags all had something in common'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'ok if you are still saying why work on x when y is a bigger issue in 2015....'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so yeah, let's not compare those'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'seriously guys we aren't here to pick on the people trying to help us out. make useful comments'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'do people HONESTLY want me to look into it?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'THAT will take time'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i will if you want'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but it seems like a non-issue?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'im gonna take that as non-issue'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'next up'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'There are so many more pressing things - it's totally a non-issue'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i really think it's because bags don't scale well so we're like ok do we just give the best possible bag at t5 and thats it? agian i'm not sure'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Sabuti: Ambuscade Expertise 2 - useless tome, why does it exist'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'wish'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i '
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'knew'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'well'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its on my list'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'i mean'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'are there plans to remove it'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'first of all having 4 tome lines is not inherently bad'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'you would not BELIEVE how many we get from 6 mans and turruj '
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'literally got ambuscade 2 TODAY like an hour ago'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'just remove it from drop tables - keep it in game, if you want to punt the ball and maybe make it questable later and do something'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'and ambuscade 4 3 days ago'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'actually given how often people yell at me, I *would* believe it'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'but it should NOT drop'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'why should it not drop'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'afaik i think tarutao said it was supposed to be removed when another rogue tome went in'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'slaar it literally does nothing'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'and i dont mean its not useful'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'because it's taking up spots for tomes that people really need =('
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'i mean it LITERALLY does nothing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and yeah BLs need a third tome BTW'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i know about this'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'It's for traps. No one uses traps. Traps are icky. Useless.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Admiral Akbar disagrees'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, '4chan also disagrees'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'I know... but I know of no rogue ever who went, "Hey, NEAT, a tome that I can skill on for something I never use" unless they're out of tomes (and yes, I have both ranks banked on my rogue).'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Speaking of BL 3rd tome. How will that work when it goes live? Many (i think all) of the other 3rd "class" tome are already dropping in game except ours. People having years to collect theirs for it to become active'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok, we have it on the short list, it drives me nuts I will get an answer'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur: dunno exactly'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'my brain already hurts'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, ''
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '<3'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'wait wait'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'does that mean i can remove traps'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'FYI, gonna do maybe 5 more, then we need to call it. My suck RL job comes early'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i never liked them and they dont really do anything'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'the only use for them is putting them all around athica'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'so sure'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'I honestly have never used them on my rogue.... trained it, and forgot about it.'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'please circle back to bst... motd has said for days that would be the focus of tonight'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'well we kicked off with it'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'then ask some bst questions'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i will recap at the end'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Senkou, I have heh'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Civin: can we have summon food/water/etc in groups of 5/10/20?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'well mages already can i think?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'per slaar, we hate to step on other class toes'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'would making clickies do that make mages obsolete?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but i dunno, i hate summoning foor too'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'clickies are slow and one at a time for that reason, with a few exceptions'
.Awoc tells Devchat:1, 'Othmir Fish Drying Stone is 2x click ^^'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yeah I made that one'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'because reasons'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'rationbelt is real fast'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so maybe it can be considered for other items maybe?'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Red Bubble Pipe nom nom'
.Aakadar tells Devchat:1, 'rationbelt and canteen'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'id like to see food have more meaning in game'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but thats a side topic'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Does food AC work btw?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'hmm'
.Civin tells Devchat:1, 'really, no one who has a gate belt realyl cares about it. i was more pointing it out for the new guys at low levels.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'slaar know? i sort of doubt it'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'it doesnt affect your stats window but yes it does'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'oh there you go'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Fair enough Civin'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'Taryth, I think that it was for classes that get summon: drink/ food'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'taken under advisement'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'o yeah i made bubble pipe too good iteam'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'So they can already summon their own, whereas mages get the good stuff in stacks.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'nod'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'lets grab a few more'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Xenlan: any plans to balance out-of-line Thaz items?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'not sure what you mean?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'the shield is pretty strong'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'the 2hb is trashcan tier'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ah'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'that one belt is really redundant'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'would be helpful to actually have that post with the specific items of concern'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'i had a whole huge post typed about it at one point with many items but i just deleted it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its worth noting'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'assuming slaariel would troll me and/or it'd be ignored'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'dont need to make it long'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'also it's not an emergency if some items are better than other items'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'just a hey how come these are like this'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i do read almost every post FYI'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i cant respond to them all'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'the problem isnt item A is better than item B'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but if its an even slightly rational argument i will bring it up'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'the problem is item A is better and easier to obtain than item B'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'maybe i am the only one who thinks that is a problem?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'as long as a group of on tier people has a reason to kill a mob then it's pretty okay.. if there is a mob that no one on tier would want the reward from that's more of an issue'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok, need to cram a few more in here'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Xenlan: what happened to Zaela?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'me again!!!!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'She's still around'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'talk to her a lot'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'but some mobs have a huge spread of items in regards to usefulness, so what happens is people continue to farm it thinking "I'd like this one useful item" and it never drops, so everything rots constantly'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but very busy irl'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'zaela is kicking ass that is all zaela is doing nonstop'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we love Zaela'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'check out zaela's github for cool things also'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'so neat'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Any thoughts on shaman pets being complete garbage at 65 or will it always be that way?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'FYI, that's a terrible way to construct an argument'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Shamans are not a top-tier pet class'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Pets in general are a heated topic'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'see: upcoming WW/PS changes for how much of an issue this can be'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'On that note, enchanter (non-charm pets) are pretty weak as well (I know this is by design, but i'd still like some sort of sword pet specific buff or maybe a spell one could cast to power em up)'
.Daffie tells Devchat:1, 'it is more a survivability issue, not dps when it comes to shaman pets.'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'the low level versions of shaman pets have survived tier 13 encounters! not garbage!'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'nerfing shm pets'
.Dutoit tells Devchat:1, 'I wasn't asking about them being top tier pet classes, it's just right now the pet has 0 survivability, so it's a really low dps dot that dies immediately on any boss that AoEs'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'sounds about right for pets'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'lewls'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Well AEs are something rattling around in my head'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'enchanter pets are fine imo'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'in an ideal world, i'd like this to be handled via things like resists'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i ask for some patience on that one'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its a big deal'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'modern content has the option to exclude pets from all aes and old content will soon have that ability... may be worth changing it for some high end fights'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'because we have to take all the pet classes into account'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but i get what you are saying for sure'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'but i mean up to tier 10-11 is pretty ok with pets... usually they do ok except for some very anti-pet fights'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i dont even bother with a frog on most raid content'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'maybe the pet resist tomes could be changed to be 100%; of the masters resists? that would help with a lot of stuff'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, '"/cm summon a_liability000"'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i would summon a pet on ed maps and then get sad when it died 1st wave but that's life'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'or more ranks of pet resist tomes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'like i said, it's in the dark regions of my grey matter'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'Pets rock on ED maps.... '
.Ikuinen tells Devchat:1, 'what about pet ac/mitigation? like why can my frog pet not tank mobs in eldenals'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Ikuinen: same issue'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'thinking on it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'BLs are a great test bed for some of this'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'cmon....'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'AND SPEAKING OF BEASTS'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'the dru frog pet was added to give druids a friend'
.Daffie tells Devchat:1, 'thanks for looking into it. Just fyi, many zones are anti pet for frog/wolf pets. I play a shaman a lot.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'lets circle back to that before we finish out'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'not to tank exp mobs'
.Ikuinen tells Devchat:1, 'i like my friends alive not dead'
.Ikuinen tells Devchat:1, 'maybe i'm weird'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So for folks who missed it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Here's what's being thought about for beasts now'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'I don't know if I would consider eld's an exp zone, especially considering the frog is ikisith'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'As of yesterdays patch, we can optionally have ALL pets ignore WW and PS'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'this will be happening as fast as I can identify encounters to modify'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'which shouldnt be too hard i dont think'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'will be starting on upper tiers and working down'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I also am looking to get rid of Plague as a first step toward some DOT revamps'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'can you elaborate'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'specifically, I am thinking about making a cold DOT that doesnt suck'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'you must have some ideas in mind'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'sure'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'numbers, etc'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Higher intensity, shorter life'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'honestly, my model, and dont hold me to this'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'quick cast time?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'is the necro fire line of dots'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'modficiations to venom line? rage of the wild?'
.Yusuke tells Devchat:1, 'mage aa for swarm pets are 22 min coold down and a lot of fights do aoes, a lot'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Venom and Rage will be next, I want to do this small'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i learned a valuable lesson'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'dont change too much too fast'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its harder to roll back and its also harder to see the impact'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'polus people hate you more nerfing tons of shit'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Along with DOT changes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'very seriously looking at expanding some BL stances'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'one i am intrigued by are one or more sacrificial "empowering" stances'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'can you please confirm that the current /s 7 (hp share) will NOT be changed?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'that sacrifice your pet in some way to empower other abilities'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I do not have /s 7 on my radar, so i dont see that changing as of now?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'also'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i missed this in my first volley at this topic'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'I love that pets are being changed to be more survivable, but any considerations given to exp? such as bq/cita?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I understand people find no value in Spirit of Tearing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'im considering options for that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i know its not used, boy have i heard that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but i havent found an ideal solution yet'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Kuzar: you are talking raw DPS?'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'honestly we need more improvement than dots and pet survivability. '
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'here's the thing'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'is cunning/sav going to be changed to be non-buffbotable'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we don't know exactly whats all needed yet'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'general pet survivability, those both zones have a decent amount of AEs'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'well i'm guessing they're gonna hit the low hanging fruit first'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Beastlords are amazing, until tier 5/6... then we dont scale'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'just making tearing a lot more dps (and/or potentially a debuff) seems like a good path, since dps is what bst are lacking'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'YES'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'thats exactly it'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'also what tev said times a million'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'you dont scale'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'do the easy stuff, then move to the medium stuff'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we're trying to address that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'adding raw DPS is not going to fix scaling'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'half second nukes, 1 second dots'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so I'm trying to be creative'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'nukes are the domain of wizards, dots of necros, you cant be the best at those'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'BLs are pet masters'
.Rinku tells Devchat:1, 'Beastlord is no longer amazing in low tier with the recent h2h changes. You can feel that even at lv 55ish with BoE gears'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'everything im trying to do is with that in my brain'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'We know you are. I just fear too much emphasis will be placed on the pets'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it IS about pets'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but pets as they relate to the BL'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'not just the pet'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Well my pet currently does about 180-200dps... double that'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'if you wanna make it about pets'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'thats not the goal'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its not to make you have the strongest pet'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'we are so far behind every other class'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but imo you should have the BEST pet'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'what if bst had a 6 second cool down ability that made their pet do a big attack, a "kill command" of sorts'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'giving BST DOTs that do serious damage, with fast cast and decent efficency is a really great way to add scaling dps, it can make bitter cold useful. they obviously wouldnt be as good as necros'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'with more options'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I get what you guys are saying about spells'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i am NOT leaving that out I promise'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i am focusing on pets first because that's the core of what I want BLs to be about'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but by the same token'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'im not making that their sole source of DPS'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'thats dumb'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'That was my concern'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i promise'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'because that seems to be the majority of the talk'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'that will not happen'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its the talk right now'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'because its the first step'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'sustainable pets on high end encoutners will raise DPS'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but thats not going to fix it all'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'nor will it make the class more interesting'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'I feel like if all aspects arent looked at together, it will be difficult to balance them as changes role in. and one (ie pets) might become the majority of the change'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'please understand i dont want to rush this though'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'These are scared opinions of a person who plays a beastlord'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i will be getting feedback for this whole process'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '<3'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'if you guys all tell me "wtf, all we are are mages with animal pets"'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i have failed'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i dont want to fail'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so i hope for feedback'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but let me do this incrementally'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i think the result will be better'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'if it still sucks, we'll try something else'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'this is my project, i signed up for it'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'What i look at, is bards as our closest comparison class. Lots of similar utility, except bards do 2x the dps as us and our pet on similiar tier'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i have a committment to get it right'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'Better than throwing it all down at once and finding it doesn't balance. Then it's just another "why did you nerf..."'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'so I would hope we end up somewhere just below bards in reference to dps'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'like slaar said, everyone wants more DPS'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i want bsts to have a reason to be in a group'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '^'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and a raid'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'double ^'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'raw dps is not the answer'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'watch for dot and encounter changes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i will start a new thread'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'I get what you're saying. Looking forward to whats coming'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'let me know how it goes, and if you have numbers, great'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but this is what i have right now'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'what about the idea of cunning/warcry type raid buffs instead of cunning/savagery to make beasts stack with eachother and bards better, and make it so you cant just cunning before the 6 man fight?'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Any time you want to consolidate threads where you think there are good ideas (into one master sticky), by all means, delete the old ones and start a sticky'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Solosolki: interesting idea'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'my only concern is radically changing their role'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'i meant curse/warcry'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but worth thinking about'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'as a war, i love warcry'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Before this is over. Can you please address dev's stance on updates/changes to crumbling maps recently posted about?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i also like bst stances'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'i feel like the role would remain similar, buffing their companions, it would just be more burn oriented, and stack way better than the current implimentations'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok, lets do curmblings RQ, then i have to go'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'as a reminder, I will post all this in the next couple days'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'it would also be way less tedious as a once per encounter spell instead of a recast on cooldown thing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'internally, i have a list of topics to raise'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so crumbling'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i read through that briefly, and my brain latched on to tome drops'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'what are the other big concerns?'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Itemization. '
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'other than no one does them'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'some of the items are really mediocre'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'No one does them as it is because the items are not up to par with the difficulty'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'mediocre is probably being kind, even'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'seems reasonable to revisit them'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'There are some *really* subpar drops from them, Swiftur did a great job of pointing them out.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yeah TBH i just havent had the cycles to devote much time to it'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Perhaps adding some quests to incentive - maybe a random shot at r1 pieces (core, glyphs, rune), or some tie ins with existing murk/refuge - i know vah sword is never likely to go on there, but that's also a pipe dream of mine'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i will put some in'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'Some of what he said, I disagreed with, because I think it puts them on T10+ loot, when the encounters are actually more like T7-8.'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'but tome drops in general are kinda a problem i think. I like charm, but currently newer players are stuck between buying tomes so they have something to exp, and saving for charm. old players had a huge, cheap exp sink in COPs while we saved for charms'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'What solo said is a huge issue and part of what I was trying to say with charms'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so a little side thing about exp sinks'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'in 2.5'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we will have WAY more options'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'wasted AAs make me sad irl'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok folks well'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we could spend hours'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but im bushed'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'thank you all VERY much for coming'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Thanks a TON dude!'
.Kayn tells Devchat:1, 'Crown storms, useless druid aa??'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I have a laundry list of things to review'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Thank you so much for your time staff members, and thank you for arranging the chat Taryth'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Kayn: not in the least'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'thanks so much for doing this Taryth and others'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'Kayn, very situational, but not useless.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'expect some followup here shortly'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, '^'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'really cool to get to chat and hear a bit of whats going on behind the scenes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'nod, we need a content one next'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'thank you for all the answers, pls look into my skill mods question'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'This is honestly one of the most refreshing dev interractions I've had in a LONG time on this game'
.Benzu tells Devchat:1, 'thanks. stuff like this should happen every month or so!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'looking at maybe quarterly'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but yeah i agree!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i like having to defend my positions heh'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'good night folks, thanks for coming'
Added in some color to improve readability --Nwaij
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Please start posting your questions in devquestions, while there is no limit, those who havent asked one yet get preference'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Please do not spam'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we are using audio to relay things, so give me a moment to retype'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'High tech!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I will post all chat things on the forums at the conclusion'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So have at it, lets get started'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'is there a plan in place to implement the class tomes that are still placeholders?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur asks what are the current proposed BL changes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Shimone, please post to devquestions'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'We have implemented the first change...kind of. We will be changing fights with WW and PS to optionally not hit pets'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Originally, this was just BL pets'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'We're gonna do this for ALL pets'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'The mechanic is in place, my job now is altering fights to make use of it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'It's not hard, just will take me a few days'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I am very interested to see how that goes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Also, I believe BLs will have some DOT changes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I would like to see Plague go away and be replaced with maybe a cold-based DOT'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'here's where it gets interesting'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'We've been talking about adding some stances that allow things like a sort of pet sacrifice to empower your dots, take more damage, whatever, at the cost of hurting your pet'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'the idea being that he's willing to go to bat for you as your loyal companion, and sacrifice himself'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'However, that may come with a price. I'm still working on how to make that work, but I like the concept'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Thoughts/questions? That's what I have planned at the moment, then I want to see DPS changes and see how things work before doing more'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we don't want a major revamp like monks'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'The DOT I just need to write up'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'You stated that the change will be applied on a fight by fight basis. Can we assume that means there will be fights where the pet damage change will not be implemented?'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'my inital reaction, is dont do a mechanic that just kills the pet, they are core to the class, and if its worth it, it means a massive headache resummoning and re iteming the pet every fight'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Oh also, I *think* i made swarms not targetable on F8, curious if that works
'.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'something to hurt the pet, where the beastlord balances between getting extra damage, without actually killing the pet, sounds good though'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Yes Swiftur, we were going to do it the other way as an opt-in for pet damage, but that turns out to be pretty massive in terms of balance. So we're gonna look at high-end fights first and make some changes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Solo: it would not be "kill the pet" really, I'm thinking more like DOT so you have to work to keep him up'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'But I'm still thinking that one through a bit, it won't be like the SK pet thing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Glad you brought that up'
.Brennis tells Devchat:1, 'Hurting your warder, or absorbing the life force seems a little evil and necroy'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I see it as a true commitment by the BL's pet'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'He's willing to sacrifice himself for you'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'or herself!'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'Is there a reason why changing each fight individuall was chosen? Obviously for exp AEs can still do significant damage and depending on healer mana kill your pet'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'im also hoping the dot changes are significant, because all 3 high level dots are borderline worthless now, will all 3 change or just 1?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I want to look at the other thread ideas too, but this is where I am starting'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'As everyone is well aware, Beastlord DPS is sorely, painfully lacking behind all other classes, in a lot of cases, less than half the next lowest dps. Can we expect to see damage output increases in addition to pet survivability?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Yeah the DOTs suck right now Solo. I want to start with plague, because its mega useless on BLs'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'It's possible i change more if other devs agree, but I want to start there'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur: yes, DPS increase is the goal. We're trying to do it in a way other than "increase ATK/dmg numbers" which is stupid'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Pet survivability directly impacts DPS'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'OK, we can circle back if need be, lets move to the next'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'alright, will there be an inharent increase to pet dps (specifically runic which is strangely almost no dps increase)? Or maybe mechanics through other spels/stances to increase pet dps'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Awesome. I like the idea of increasing player activity.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Shimone: Is there a plan in place to implemenet PH class tomes?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Yes!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So we have been talking about this a lot recently actually'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I think we are kinda sorta in agreement on two of them, we've gone round and round on a third, but I think everyone wants to bring them full circle soon-ish'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Because they are dumb currently'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Does that mean buffs to the underperforming tomes (apiculture, for example)?'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'or new tomes, or both?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'While I dont want to commit to which we're looking at, we have one each from priest, caster and melee'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I think the first goal is to lose the PH tomes'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'roger'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Some need a look for sure Alarcon'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, '/cough ambuscade'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'As a druid, I also find Apiculture underwhelming, but other classes need more of an immediate look I think'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'As far as timing, well'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'its beyond underwhelming, 4 ranks of the tome is ~7 dps while outdoors :|'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'It's hard to say for sure - I can't release content like this without consent, but I will work to try and get a commitment'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'ambuscade was supposed to be removed from the game long ago. it is the 4th rogue tome and does nothing, can you guys just go ahead and do that? its really painful to keep seeing it drop and rot in turuj'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'No argument Juff'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Ambuscade is a special case, if slaar is here, maybe he can speak to it
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I think everyone hates it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'But I myself am not familiar with the proposed solution'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so gonna defer to him on that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Other tome stuff?'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'is there discussion among devs about the turuj tome trade in system?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Well'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'the current situation, of everyone perma farming turuj for tomes they may never see is really painful'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'There hasn't been a whole lot of support for it TBH, those tomes are by design supposed to be hard to get'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'It's a major discussion'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and hasnt been a priority'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'i think hard to get and farming basement for 4 years are different'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so while I won't rule it out, it's not something I don't think we're super hot to trot on'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i get that'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'What about with characters who were grandfathered in (and thus have all their R4s), being incentivized to be boxed instead of playing a toon that only has their class R2s'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but im not sure a turn-in is the right solution'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'ie toons like solosolki and zapple have been killing turruj FOREVER and still dont have all their tomes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'That is indeed a problem Alarcon'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'And Sabuti'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'I have concerns about damaging my own pet to create additional DPS, unless it's very significant. I can't picture harming my pet with a dot so that he can do more dps and then i'll just do less healing him. This especially concerns me from a solo/duo perspective. Can you elaborate further on these changes? Also, you mentioned changes to beastlord stances, can you confirm that our current /s 7 (Spiritual Empathy/HP sharing) will remained unchanged?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's just a harder one to solve'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I will come back to it Swiftur sure'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'also some of those class tomes are sort of required, we reguarly have to box retired enchanters over active mains because of missing tomes, they could easily not see for years'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, '^that^'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'i could maybe agree with you in the event that shining force was still the only guild killing turruj, but now that so many other guilds need turruj to progress, they cant because we're still farming it every chance we get for class books'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Nod'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but again, I don't think a turn-in system necessarily solves it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So yeah, it needs addressing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but with so many issues going on, it just hasnt been given top billing'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'the ONLY way to solve it is some system that allows you to get a specific tome... turn ins is what makes the most sense to me, as it means you have been actively trying fort a long time'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'i do think it would help doue to the ridiculous amount of rot tomes from turruj. i mean it literally seems like its coded to drop class tomes that arent there'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'My last thought on the tomes thing - perhaps there could be mathematical alterations to the formula for tome drops so that you can not drop a rot tome (would have to pull tomes for the raid and generate those on the spot)'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'it could even be a rediculous rate, like 4 for first, 8 for 2nd, 16 for 3rd, so that nobody is realisticly getting more than 2 tomes through turn ins'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'possibly'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'this actually leads into the next question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so let me bridge those'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Alarcon: can you rate the priorities of the following: new client, new raid/6 man, class balance, encounter balance, ikisith 2, bugs, etc. and other'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'great question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and related to this'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so I myself work on core mainly, that is all the machanical crap, client, logic, etc., I do a very little bit of content'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'right now my role for content is supporting some of our other newer folks'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so with that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it means the content-related things are actually a parallel priorirty'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so MY perspective: i put BL balance as #1 (because I want it over with), 2.5 as #2, bugs as #3'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'saldy, we've had a couple big bugs recently'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so i've had to deal with that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'As for our content priorities'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I will say we have new encoutners waiting right around the corner'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Some very high tier'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Some for newer players'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '^/clap^'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Are any of the others Devs / Admins able to chime in on their levels of effort for this stuff?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'hang on'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Iki 2 content is getting attention right now'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'as are some 6 mans'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Sorry if I'm jumping the gun on stuff'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I will personally say my pet content project, when i ever have time, is fleshing out a zone
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'That most people will like, but this other stuff is a priority'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Here's the problem'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '#Upperthaz2015?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, '2.5 is basically only a couple of us, it's VERY hard code'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'We were getting some help from a couple of eqemu folks, but they too get swamped like we do'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So lately I've fended for myself, but we recognize this HAS to get done'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I am committed to doing so, but I need RL to stop interfering, because it takes a lot of time and concentration'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'We're sickeningly close'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but the bugs that remain are big enough to hold it up'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'jumbers has asked me to rank those, i assume so he can help out'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I'm hoping that the next few months will be productive'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I hate not having it more than you do, trust me'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I consider it a personal failing its not done'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but it is what it is'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So that's all I can say without putting words in others' mouths
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'But we have 2 content people actively at work, and some core folks too'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so parallelism
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'You high end folks will like the new raid encounter'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'If I stop breaking core code so we can release it
'.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'just as I wanted to quit the game some nerd releases new high tier content...'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'lol Xenlan'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Just out of curiosity, what's your dev cycle look like? Is it waterfall, iterative, agile, or what? How do you process things from percieved need to finished product?'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'just remember you're here forever'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok, next question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Risette: to distill the question, how are we addressing the gap between new 65 and T1 content?'
.Risette tells Devchat:1, 'Yes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'There is a fair amount out there believe it or not, but yeah population isnt helping'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'a bit of an inside secret i guess, you'll see more TS stuff in the near future'
.Wlof tells Devchat:1, 'there is no gap from 65 to t1 you can buy boe gear tha tis better then t4 besides bountys making t6 stuff'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I won't spoil it beyond that
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'if people are selling Wlof'
.Brennis tells Devchat:1, 'TS stuff? Oooo, there's a certain gnome who must be happy'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I get Risette's point'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'oh snap'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'But yeah, I think improved pop will help a ton'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'New Tradeskill items! By matbar's beard!'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'hahaha...I could get behind that, I'd be taking beard grower all day'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'New client does alot of fun stuff for making tradeskills less painfull too'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Civin: how will upcoming BL changes and tomes affect 2.5 progression?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I need to get BL done, it's a pet project (no pun intended). Tomes are more content-related, so it doesn't affect 2.5 at all really'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'BL isn't hard, building consensus is hard, but that's a good thing'
.Brennis tells Devchat:1, '2.5 uses the new tradeskill system? Wouldn't that mean they'd have to greatly nerf tradeskill exp?'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'can we expect any new tomes before 2,5?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'But I want it done'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I think so Marthog?'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'Boo on easy tradeskills
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'No promises'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, '/clap'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Cheer on less repetitive strain injury'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Kuzar: now that COP has been addressed, is there a plan to address charm grind?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Personally speaking, I don't mind charms, and think they help keep a lower pop server economy in check'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I don't really think there are plans to change that that I'm aware of'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I'd like to see a 3M plat charm some day, but I digress
'.Marthog tells Devchat:1, '0_0'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'so you like using not your own characters to farm money?'
.Jauth tells Devchat:1, 'its in devchat'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I have never done that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So I wouldn't know'
.Jauth tells Devchat:1, 'wtf'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'the charm grind is harder now with many places being nerfed and tome prices rising, as well as buyable tomes being one of the only venues for newer dudes to dump exp'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Well'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I guess related'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I *would* like to see some more content with decent pp/BOE sellable stuff in it'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'yeah CoPs might not have been fun but it was ahuge, cheap, exp sink for new players, so they could more easily do mid tier raiding'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'On that note, have we considered rebalancing some of the plat from six mans? Not BOEs, just plat drops?'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'And I mean regardless of what you farm with, you usually exclude people if you actually just need money'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'That doesn't help a low pop server'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Alarcon: decisions like that are usually up to the zone/encounter designer'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So since halloween is my only REAL content right now, that's all I can speak to
'.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'speaking of halloween rewards...'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'what do you think about raising BoE tome drop rates?'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'wow, its like a spell to summon a swiftur'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Possibly - I kind of like the idea of EED maps dropping them, but maybe I'm in the minority there, I dunno'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'the demand of tomes rose significantly and the supply of tomes did not rise to such levels, raising the general price of most books'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'maps dropping tomes would be cool. maybe a no drop (or token) version so the market isn't flooded'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Do you have plans to remove the 15 minute timer that gets placed on pet heals after using Token of Major Lunar Agility?'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'if the prices get too high, maybe people will jsut go and farm them?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I'm happy to raise the BOE tome issue'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'I can name 3 zones that drop tomes right now with no one in them. *shrug*'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur, question channel pls'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'whats the question channel name?'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'My bad, seemed related'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Tomes are tricky though, I don't want to commit to anything on them without other devs chiming in, I will try to see if we can talk about it on the forums'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Xenlan: what do I think about BW gloves being a sidegrade to Serizus?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'It's been raised a bunch, there are a few items like that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I'd love to fix them all'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I don't have the bandwidth to look at it personally, but I think we need to try and look at the big offenders'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I will raise it'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'thanks'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'so to clarift'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'its identified as a problem'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'and not a "perfectly fine" thing?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Yeah I think most people would agree top-tier content should not be a side grade in most cases'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'maybe it is? but I guess peronsally speaking that seems wrong'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'there should be reason to want loot off top tier stuff'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'what is your stance on high tier gear seriously lacking stats after the nerfs on monk usable gear and needing to swap in lower tier items because of it?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'who is using serizus gloves over bw gloves'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Slaar can comment!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yay'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Esp on monk stuff pls'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'xenlan'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'who is using serizus gloves over bw gloves'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'hardly no one because they're a pain in the dick to get'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'nobody, unless a mob has FR'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'ok'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'i wish i had a pair because there is t13 mobs that have fire resist'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'but they are very close in DPs'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'just checking'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'ie rujik moktar, bw gloves suck'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'carry on'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'basically if a mob has slightly lower DR than FR the serizus will yield higher DPS'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Honestly, I'm hoping once 2.5 is done we'll have more time to look at this stuff, I know theres some disconnect on a few items right now'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'serizus gloves arent *better*, its just that BW gloves, being 3 tiers higher, are only maybe 2-3%; more dps (assuming all other factors are equal)'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'most other melees dont have weapons from much easier monsers tthat are so comparable to ones from very difficult ones'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'For example, no rogue with 4.3 dagger will think "I wonder if i should use the dagger from undercity over 4.3 dagger"'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i dont want to get too hung up on a specific item, but we can chat about it off line'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'I remember getting a tier up and geting new focuses that were 1-2%; better, so why is 2-3%; better not an upgrade?'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, '2-3%; on a mob thats probably 6 mannable, vs the hardest killable raid mob in the game ??'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Xenlan: are there plans to add loot to thaz 1 encounters, and plans to implement upper thaz?'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'because it is not 1 tier up, it is 3 tiers up'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'oh no you asked that while woldaff was online now we're all going to die'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Woldaff want to comment?'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'and with focus, you gain cast speed, damage, mana con, etc, so a rank of all of them (or two from 3 tiers) is a lot more than 2-3%;'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'may have to defer on that one'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yeah
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Solosolki: 4 months ago there has been an issue with crashing 50%; of the time loading/zoning. VPN kind of fixes it, but has its own problems. what gives?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Probably #1 question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i get yelled at a bunch about it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So without getting in the networking weeds'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'The client uses lightweight packets that do not guarantee delivery'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'because it's faster'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'however, it also means they can get lost'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Some ISPs, machines, whatever seem VERY good at this'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I personally have few problems here, then i go to another location and it is abysmal'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'The reason VPNs work is they encapsulate that traffic into a guaranteed delivery protocol basically'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but because it's heavier-weight, yeah, there are issues'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Newer clients are better about this'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Aside from a newer client, or the VPN trick, I know of no other way to alleviate the problem at present
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'which stinks, but'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'all the more reason i need to get off my ass and finish 2.5'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'So 2.5 fixes the problem?'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'alright, well its not terrible with VPN, might wanna put an announcement/discalimer on the front page, so everyone knows how to at least help with it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'if anyone ever wants to talk deep packet nerd stuff, we can
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'not a bad idea Solo'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'it took me over a month just to figure out the VPN would help'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur: it won't prevent it, but I bet it will be a lot better'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but yeah, short nerd answer is UDP vs. TCP'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'oh god'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur: We've all noticed server funds in the yellow. Why no account drive, and will we be on the EQEMU server list?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'OK, two parts to this, one is Woldaff
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'he declares account drives, yell at him, I agree!
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'rest assured, we're ok on money right now'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'The EQEMU list is interesting'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'well at least the netcode is better than trying to play quake over IPX or hyperterminal back in the day'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So two major problems there: 1., they like to do their own account managey stuff, and 2, we must run a patcher with 2.5, it will not be optional'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Yes alarcon
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'new netcode!'
.Admin-Woldo tells Devchat:1, 'Thrown under the bus.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ACCOUNT DRIVE'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'sorry woldo =p'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'make it happen sir
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'the people demand it'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, '/demand'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so just real quick, with 2.5, eqemu listing may be a possilbiity, i hope it happens, but there are technical challenges'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'for the record'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'patching WILL NOT be optional in 2.5, the game won't work right'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Regarding eqemu list, i am of the opinion we would see a very significant population increase if that were to happen, what are staffs thoughts on that?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we are doing some pretty cool stuff with client reqruites on the fly, but it requires the patcher to happen'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I think so too, but it's not as easy as it sounds Swiftur, and cannot happen until 2.5 due to compatibility'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'I know, I think we all get that. Thanks'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur: 15 min timer on pet heals from Token of Major Lunar Agility'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I keep forgetting about that
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I will put it on my priority list, that's all me'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'NOT INTENTIONAL'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Sovereign does the same thing... just saying'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'interesting'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Many thanks =)'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Shimone: Any considerations for certain buffs stacking with illusions?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Illusions are the worst thing in the history of the world'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Because stacking/overwriting is a huge pain'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I got rid of illusion on halloween items'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '"He said, having made everyone in blackburrow a gnoll"'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'But yeah, there are some problems, we can really only deal on a case-by-case basis, and sometimes the fix is worse than the original problem'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i *hate* illusions with a passion'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'from a spell perspective'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So we should probably look at a few, but I think it's back burner atm'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Other related things? That's a big topic'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and im sure not the answer ppl want'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Related to spells, or illusions?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but i didnt make the spell system
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'illusions and stacking them'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok cool'
.Rinku tells Devchat:1, 'Can we have a summary of the proposed beastlord changes?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'next'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Is it possible for player size to be taken into an account when an illusion fades?'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'for example, shrink, get somatic bond, no longer shrunk... sad face'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Hah! Actually I tried at one point'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's SO hard to track'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yes, it's possible but 100x harder than it should be'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so it hasn't been done yet'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but i pray for the day it gets done'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Hope is all i needed lol'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Alarcon: Rules for adjusting an existing dev's content?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'heh'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'None of us likes it?
'.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Well, retired dev'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'seriously though'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yeah'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So I've looked at a few things'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I have BW HM I'm working on right now'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'shoutouts to taryth HM BW'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Also looking at Eniva'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'And a few others'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'here's the problem'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'you have to get in a retired dev's head to figure out intent'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'how hard was the fight supposed to be? is this broken or intended?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Should half the raid be dead at the end?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's VERY hard'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'That said'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'Does original intent truly matter if the dev is retired? Serious question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'absolutely'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'because'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'is the fight doable and this guild just sucks? is also a thing t keep in mind!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'things like loot and such are often based on difficulty and other factors'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its so much harder than I thought when i first started'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'like you have no idea'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'yeah its pretty insane'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Me and the other guy working on Eniva is a good example'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's an awesome fight'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'terribly broken'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'fixing it is dozens of hours of work'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we have spent at least that much just deciphering it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'when we're done, we still get to look at loot and make sure it's ok, because no one has it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'BW HM same thing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I know there is some horribly broken stuff out there'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we need to be very sure what we're putting in the wild
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'hence why we're careful about altering older content'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we'd almost rather make new, but some fights like Marza ones are just too cool to let die'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so that's my kind of non-committal answer
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we try'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but would rather make new TBH'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'what about the missing deity quest lines?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Kuzar: Claw Commander system is a long encounter'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'devquestions please Marthog, kind of separate'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Yes it is Kuzar, and we're comfortable with it at present. The fact he's killed so often speaks to that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'plus its just a fun encounter imo'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'It took 4 hours to just get a set of orders'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'sometimes it does'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'can orders be made higher drop rate'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i've also had them drop on the second mob'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'farming for hours hoping for 1 random drop should not be the challenge of an encounter'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's a RNG thing I'm afraid'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'also, winning a claim due to 100%; rng is kind of lame too'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'well it's better than the old way of getting claim'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'agreed'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'wait wait'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'The claiming is better, but it went from like a 90 minute target to at least 2.5 hours'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'Do people kill Claw Commander because it's a necessary step of progression? That's a wildly different beast than "players like it and it's popular"'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i just think it's how the encoutner is designed. I've done CC many times and don't really mind it'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'is there really farm races for the orders is that a real thing still?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'i remember being in one or 2 order farming race scenarios'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'senkou if you start thinking about how killing a mob to progress is boring you are aiming straight for the rabbit hole that ends in you wondering where this decade of your life went you should be very careful.'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'not common, but it still happens'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'that is so gratifying thank you'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'I mean RNG is fine, but 4 hours is just brutal just to get a claim'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'I think there's sometimes a difference between progression and fun and I don't see why there should be'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Soun: Did the suggestion to add an x,y modification get noticed?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I noticed it yes and it's a great idea (meant Soen)'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Just need to do it, there's a few slight tricks to overcome'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i will put it in as a feature request'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'where is the fun part of claw commander?'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'it doesnt exist'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'in short, its a good idea'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and will get done...well...'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'probably some day I'm on a plane and bored heh'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Solosolki: any plans to change 4.3 INT caster items? Also, what about channeling?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'First part, I have no idea.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Channeling, yeah I know that's been a topic before'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I will bring it up again, honestly I don't know'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'i think the big part of his questing is in regards to Bane of the Fallen God, and not being usable by anyone but enchanters'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'what does channeling do other than flavor text on the item'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'I think it makes it so you can move more when casting'
.Varjojen tells Devchat:1, 'reminds you that the item is bad and you shouldnt wear it'
.Marthog tells Devchat:1, 'or something like that'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'wow best mod'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'it helps prevent interruption'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'can you elaborate'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'like when you get hit while casting etc'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, '*steps back*'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'can you cast through stuns'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'hm i have but i think that was due to stun resists'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'in combination'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'channeling really should be changed to be useful again. i mean fights like hardmode blazewind would probably be possible now had that and a lot of other high end items not been nerfed'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'you wish'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So folks know'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'are the items that were balanced around channeling going to get any stat boost?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'my takeaway from this meeting is a list of things to bring to the rest of the devs'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so i *will* be putting this in front of folks'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'well i dont really understand the point of nerfing that then making fights easier, when having stuff like that would make them be killable regularly..'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'hey i just checked and yes channeling will ge you through a stun i was sure i had seen that happen'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'so that's good news'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'you even get a cool message'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'but again there's the problem a lot of items that have it were "balanced" around it providing crit instead'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, '^'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'well show me the proof you have that that is a real thing and then we can discuss it at another time not during taryth's talks'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'heh'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'cool, deferring to slaar
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Civin: Any plan to look at shaman runic 1?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'can we discuss shaman runic 2 in this question as well?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I don't see the problem with it really'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'sure Tev'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'you mean the hot/slow?'
.Civin tells Devchat:1, 'yeah, it is a pretty bad spell. high mana, low heal, majorly bad for moving'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'and melee dps'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'Juffington: the spell is basically unusable 99%; of the time because half the server has it blocked because it slows them'
.Civin tells Devchat:1, 'the runic 2 is kind of bad too'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'also, runic 2 HP cost is pretty high for relatively low healing'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'I know a lot of players that have blocked the shaman runic 2 because it has a 20%; slow, which doesnt actually mean 20%;.. because it takes presedence over haste... so with goe and bard song its like 120%; slow'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i think 1 is ok, it's just situational'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'runic 1*'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, '2 maybe we could argue about'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'its not, the situation is: you can cast it only on caster group ever and never have to move and teh casters have no other group healer'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'will put that as a discussion item'
.Civin tells Devchat:1, 'ty
'.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'And What About Elemental Barrage???'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'whats wrong with elemental barrage?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'in the situations where you are doing a mob that AoEs and casters REALLY need a ghot but the tank isnt taking enoguh damage to need a woundbane where you also dont need to move'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'what *is* wrong with Elemental Barrage?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I'm not a mage, so i dont know'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'it doesnt scale with elemental damage'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Well fortunately we have a mage dev
'.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'who knows i never got it'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i made it so you can buy for 13k though'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i'm sure he'll be on that like stink on a monkey'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'to be honest lures in general are not that useful since the resist changes'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'i think i am a more qualified mage than slaariel'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'most people are my strength is not is playing a mage only in roleplaying a mage and making frogs say things'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'and elf languages,'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's added to the discussion list'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'if something cool could be do with lures (make them bypass cs or reflect or something)? that'd be cool'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i made a thing to bypass cs/reflect'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, '*insert replace arcane acuity*'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Senkou: is there a concern about monk weapons being a downgrade to bare fists?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Slaar wanna field that?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'not it
'.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'are stats important? if yes then they are an upgrade if no then stop talking about undying loyalty the end'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, '... what?'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'I'm a t9 monk i don't have undying loyalty'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'that doesnt make sense'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'ok'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'Ambuscade Expertise II can we please remove this right now forever'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'the problem is the stat to DPS ratio is almost never worth it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Question channel Sabuti'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'yeah they are probably lower dps by a bit compared to fists but what is the alternative? if fists were lower dps why ever go weaponless?'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'have fists be useful for certain things and weapons others?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i would love to remove punching from the game or rather i would have loved that a year ago not anymore'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'give them separate functions?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'o what certain things'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'ie have fists all have ae procs and maek them for exp groups or something like that?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'is that your best idea'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'I just didn't know if weapons were supposed to be a DPS downgrade compared to fists'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'no that was just the first thing I thought of'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'And wanted to have some clarification'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'make weapons provide some kind of utility-proc or add tankability'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'they do add tankability'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'come on'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'I mean the amount of useless mob drops because weapons are 100%; pointless now is real dumb'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'a majority of weapons in the game are not worth the DPS loss for stat gain'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'again what is the alternative? if hand dps is lower than weapons'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'then why have it as an option'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'There were alternatives floated'
.Kharras tells Devchat:1, 'only weapon worth using is monstro 2h in ae groups'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'name 1 good alternative'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'we want there to be situations for both barefists and weapons to be usable'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'and not one to just be 100%; the always correct answer'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, '^'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'we want interesting choices and decisions about how to play the game'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'what is a situation in which you would accept a dps nerf? here is a hintL you will never ever accept a decrease in dps'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'not once not ever in any circumstance'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'you know how some spells are single target and some arent?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'if moon comet is highest damage spell why cast anything else??????'
.Dutoit tells Devchat:1, 'Could be AoE dps vs single target dps as Juffington suggested'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'why cast tashanian when nuke does more damage?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'these are all good questions that you should have an inner dialog with yourself about'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'all discussion shows that a decrease in dps is never an option'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'If bare fists are intended to be more DPS, does that mean I'm going to have DPS scaling issues past t9?'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'One could be used for short fights i.e exp one could be for longer fights but anything would be better than being trolled by an admin in a serious conversation'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'next question please'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'for real'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok lets move on though'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'because this is going off the rails'
.Dutoit tells Devchat:1, 'If you're going to have one always better than the other though, shouldn't weapons be better so all the weapons that currently drop for monks aren't useless rots?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'next '
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'all this was a bit off track from my original question, all i wanted was clarification'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'also ok'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Kuzar: any plans to adjust reagents on spells, esp. savagery'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'heh'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'well'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'ohh thats a good 2'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'good 1*'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Savagery is a REAL [point of contention, I will be honest'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Reagents in general are in fact'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and actually that's why we havent changed it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'because the question is: why change it just there?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'can i ask a q here'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'YES'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'please, since you and I brawl over this'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'to add to that. Can i ask why Gaze of Unflagging Aggression click was changed from savagery to spiritual vigor? this item use to alleviate the reagent problem'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'why is it bad to have 2-3 stacks of peridots on hnad to cast a really good spell (i mean free peridots i could come up with a reaso to not take real ones)'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'my only question is: what do reagents actually add to the game? does it make it fun/more itneresting etc?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'here's my counter argument'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'makes you load a mage'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i am sure that i not your only question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Savagery is already highly punitive in duration and cost'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Slaar: as most classes, nothing. because they have reagent conversation options... Beastlords dont have any readily wearable reagent con options'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but honestly there are two sides to this'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'if it's an itemization issue i can see that being a real factor and i'm ok with adding r-con to some items even though i know that the ones i add it to will not be good enough'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'if you make something require a reagent should make it one you cant load a mage and summon them'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'there use to be this really cool item... a guy named Dimmi has it... rip'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'the reagents are vendor bought, and require ZERO skill to acquire'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'like arrows?'
.Daffie tells Devchat:1, 'thumb wrestle it out'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'let me ask this'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and this is kind of inside-the-dev-head talk'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'scary'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'would people be willing to lose some resists on Savagery if it meant no more reagents?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'yes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'JUST A QUESTION'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'not proposing it'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'yes'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'i dont think the resists on savagery have mattered in a really long time'
.Radu tells Devchat:1, 'only time it ever mattered was low to maybe mid-tier'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'Also duration on savagery could be changed to be longer but the same can cast on same number of people just to make it less tedious'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Part of Savagery is it IS tedious, but that's my point as to maybe why reagents dont make sense'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'should make savagry group wifde and not stack with cunning'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i kind of like that part of it'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'and same duration'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'No it doesn't make it tedious it makes it you have no inventory because you summon 5 stacks of peridots before a raid'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'to the larger issue of reagent in general that's another thing too.. my argument is that we have so few mechanics available to us that to ignore one of them does a disservice to the game and to ignore this one in particular steps on mage toes'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, '.....'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'if we are not using reagent mechanic in the best way that's something we can discuss but i would not like to ignore it as a whole'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'Man every mage has always said to me gee I love summoning peridots'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'I don't think many people take issue with reagents... because they HAVE reagent conservation!'
.Shimone tells Devchat:1, 'it doest step on our toes when they just load a mage to summon them before raid'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'It also kinda echos old school D&D / MUD casting mechanics, where alot of spells required a physical reagent or focus - '
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Their 1 stack of dots can last them... months'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'yes shimone if you want to talk about buff bots that is another enormous issue'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'loading a character, casting one spell, and camping it does not step on that classes toes'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'except cunning/sav for bst'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'it doesbecause you are not taking a person of that class on your group / raid'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'right but you wouldn't take a mage just for summons anyway?'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'there's basically one class that wouldn't get to go on a raid and that 's not due to buffbots'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'I have a serious question about this'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'go ahead matbar'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'using that logic, everyone would "require" a bard or enchanter in their group for haste/mana regen'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'Would it be fair to take the reagent from this bst spell when wizards, clerics and others still need them'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'this is a huge topic'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'You bring any class because you like them or you need the combat things their class provides for that situation'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'of course not, buffs and summons really do factor in to a class's group / raid utility'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'and is it THAT hard to carry 5 stacks of dots compared to rangers and 10 quivers for example'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'required is requiring a bard from t1-t11 or whatever because every fight needs pot4'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'I can understand the irritation over lack of reagent con for bsts and the durations, but every class has a space issue thing'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i agree that the best people to bring on your raids is people you like but we can't balance for likability'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'arrow conservation focus'
.Varjojen tells Devchat:1, 'just because rangers got their inventories shit on doesnt mean other classes should also'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'people are very cavalier about pawning off the abilities of classes they do not play / enjoy / "main" in general and that's not a good place to argue from'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'But in raiding t1 through t13 mabes are never brought due to summons they are brought because they are part of our raid. if the summons are needed you handle it before'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'To counter Matbar's question. Rangers only NEED a few quivers and a stack of arrows will last a really long time. A quick is 1 item slot and will make another stack of arrows. Rangers also get arrow conversation AAs'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'if a classes utility is also vendor bought....'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'you summon modrods before raids and never again? jeez i shoulda beenin your guild'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'I'm not talking about just arrows'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'Yeah? there are mana potions, mana clickies, etc'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'Every class has a space user'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'I know top end warriors carrying 2 bags of focus items'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'What Kuzar said for casters'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'if we don't have a mage (because one isn't online) we haven't logged one in for mod rods'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'well at the very least'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'I just seriously am asking if a few stacks of dots should be a game changer?
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it makes sense to think about reagent con'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'None of those space users are required for you to use your bow or cast your spells, other than reagents'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'yeah if there are no bst rc items that's a real issue with no counter argument really'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but something tells me we've got more bickering to do about this
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and thats ok'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'There are 2 in game that i'm aware of'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '1 is from mield, the other no longer drops'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'added to list'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'im talking reagent con 7 items mind you'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'Also savagery is cast a lot thus it doesn't require just a stack of dots, it requires multiple stacks'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'lets move on, just because its getting late and other people have questions queued up'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'wow whoever made those mield items sure knows a lot about itemization gaps (it was me)'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '^many many stacks'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'unlike raego'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'yea slaar made the mielech D loot i swear'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'I SWEAR'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'take comp str off Loop of the Tireless, add regeant con 7, gg'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Alarcon: What does the SoD development cycle look like'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'lolololo'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'well'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'hey!!!! i can answer this one too!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'one of my favorite Robin Williams quotes from Birdcage'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'but you need to tell me which thing is being developed'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'It's like riding a psychotic horse towards a burning stable'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'seriously though'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we have an issue tracker'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'that breaks things down in terms of bug vs feature'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'bugs, if they are serious, we tend to pounce on'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'this is largely for codebase changes and sometimes item fixes but new content is not in this conversation'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and usually pre-empt other activities'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Features often we take it upon ourself to adopt a feature and run with it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but yeah slaar is right, content is different'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so for content, people own it themselves'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'they develop the concept'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we figure out a tiering for it or whatever'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'start to itemize and monsterize it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'put in new mechanics in core when needed'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'test it until things stop majorly breaking'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'then before we release, we validate loot and such'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'at least that's the idea'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'this is the idealized version'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but content is WAY different'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'So it's more of an iterative design approach?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'when we do patchy-core changes, its usually i break something, we revert, i fix, we try again'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yep'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'content creation is 'directed' to an extent by woldaff who will yell at you about lore and by me, admin-slaar who will yell at you for all the other reasons but largely if you make something i am happy to have it in the game'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we're too thin to do much else'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yeah lore is a thing too'
.Llib tells Devchat:1, 'why is monk dps so solid compared to other classes slaar? just curious if it was intended or what'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'llib, devquestions channel pls'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'there really is a method to our madness'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's just ad-hoc sometimes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur: is Marza returning?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'highly simplified
'.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'That is not what i asked lol'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'well'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'hey man'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'you asked about bad blood and stuff'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i will answer your real question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i was not here for Marza dev, so walking away
'.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'no one here dislikes marza even a little and every time he hints that he wants to return we get excited and then he doesn't show up and we get sad'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'that's it that's the whole story'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i have heard he wants to return literally as recently as this week'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'there you have it'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'will eisley be returning to dev?'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'I asked if staff is open Marza's return, should he want to. So thank you Slaar for answering'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'it is about the 7th time i have heard it'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'is that the true story?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'yes 100%; true'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'even the part about nobody disliking marza?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'who is here to dislike marza?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'no one ever had a problem with marza he is a very nice guy'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'and we have played many other games together'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'here's the thing guys'
.GM-Twist tells Devchat:1, 'To answer Sabuti Eisley WIL NOT BE RETURNING!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'as a relatively newer dev'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we fight a lot'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its not personal'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its a good healthy thing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it keeps us grounded and introduces opinions we didnt think of'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Slaar jumbers and I just had it out the other day'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I dont hate them, and pretty sure they dont hate me'
.Aakadar tells Devchat:1, 'did you kiss and make up afterwards'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its how we resolve things'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'a girl doesnt kiss and tell aakadar'
.Radu tells Devchat:1, 'fights are good, just ask any couple that's been together for many years
'.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'regardless of opinion we are all adults here'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I like our fights most days, it's ok'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'exactly'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'that sums it up slaar'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'hey 1 more thing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and lets face it'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, '1 more'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Marza made cool content
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'gotta respect the guy'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'if you make content for me that is good it does not matter if i think you are an awful person irl it really does not at all'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i love people who add content to the game'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'Do I get points for being married to Twist for 20 years worth of "discussions?"
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'lol'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'anyway, I think that answers that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'honestly, a good question'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Marthog: ETA on deity quest lines? Do we want/need help?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'man'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'WTB help'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'thhbpt'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I think Nwaij siad he'd do it
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'honestly, it needs doing, just need someone to adopt the project'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'only thing i can confirm is NOT IT'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'too much going on'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but hey, if you have good ideas, send it to slaar'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'seriously'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'dev apps to [email protected]'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, '^'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'learn to code the sod way'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'god help you'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'think i'll wait till 2.5 k thx'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'same,'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Dovonix: how much of a salary do you want to make devving on SoD a full time job'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Match my current salary for a year and I will quit tomorrow
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'if that's an offer'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'same'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'crowd fund sod devs!'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i dont even make much'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'way less travel'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i'd love it to be a full time job, but game devs dont make much
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and i have a stupid truck payment so'
.GM-Twist tells Devchat:1, 'Nice truck though....'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Paypal me lots and we'll talk
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Alarcon: Arcane Knights'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'no'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'next
'.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'to my chagrin'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'wait can i talk about AK for 1 second'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Xenlan: Any plans to make druids more desirable in 6 mans?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yes slaar'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'briefly: it's already hard for 15 classes to have raid roles (see this current question) and adding a 16th class exacerbates that pretty much necessarily ok that's all i had to say'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'holding this question for a sec'
.Xenlan tells Devchat:1, 'and better than "worse cleric" (the 2nd part of the question!!)'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'oh and no berserkerds'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok slaar
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I reject your premise for *most* 6 mans'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'there are some that i agree it wont work'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but there are fights like that for pretty much every class'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'some are VERY specific group makeups'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Someone asked a related question i'll repost. Are there plans to look at changes how druid hots "tick" to make them more efficient'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but seriously as a mained druid, I feel I keep up just fine on most things'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'you can't mess with ticks,.,.,.,.,.,'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Yeah swiftur, i wanted to tie that in'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we can't really realistically do it'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '<3'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i wish'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but cant'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'NOW'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Is that a current client issue?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'desired and "able to be brought" are different things'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'what I will point out '
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it's a "how EQ was designed" issue'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'everything in the game is ticks!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'what the tick hot thing did do'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'was give me some interesting encounter ideas'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'that function outside the strict game mechanics '
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so you might see that on certain encounters someday
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'in concept, absolutely. Paractically, can't do it'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Is it possible to have druids raid healing role looked at in comparison to clerics then?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'in what way?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'they arent ideal group healers, and arent ideal at keeping the tank alive'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i feel absolutely druids have a strong raid role'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'druids will never be clerics'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and thats ok'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'a strong role of being 100%; worse than a cleric and providing just buffs?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i disagree strongly'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'would it be possible to make a group version of relic hot?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i am not sure this game needs MORE healing TBH'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'HoTs are what define them and the discussion was just about how it's the game mechanics causing their utility to suffer'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'It seems like a raid wide hot might be in order. Something strong, short lasting, think relic hot maybe 2 ticks, and a little less powerful'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i thought about a HOT version of VIM'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but honestly, VIM is insane'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it would take quite a bit of discussion'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'also nerf clerics,'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'vim is insane if you can use it on 1-2 people'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'as a druid, in a raid, my job is to lighten the load on clerics and spot heal'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i will never keep a weak caster group up through aggressive AEs'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'maybe druids should have lots of fast casting spells'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'druids are bad at spot healing, that is a shamans job'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'to pad heals'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but i sure as heck can help make sure clerics dont group heal non-stop'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'pad heal a tank or pad heal ag roup?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i do not see changes coming to druids, hoenstly i do not see the issue with them really'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'at least in utility/healing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'tomes are another story
'.Kharras tells Devchat:1, 'think making their archaic even better , whether it be outright or scaling with tomes would be nice'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'in short, i would not expect major changes outside of tomes right now'
.Kharras tells Devchat:1, 'i do think druids are a bit lackluster'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'solution to HoTs - add some small mitigation ro them so they're useful aside from the HoT ticks'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Fair enough. Lets go back to beastlords... Can you elaborate on your summarized changes to stances and talk of damaging pets for dps'
.Kharras tells Devchat:1, 'i would say the best possibly heal set up in a raid is 3 clrs and 2 shms'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, '3 clrs 2 shm 1 paladin'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'good opinion'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 's'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'its not really an opinion, theres 0 reason to take a druid other than casting regen past a certain point'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Xenlan: what is the justification for nerfing weight reducing bags?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'um'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'you just have to group heal over ghots anyway'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'weight reduction matters?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'who took the time out of their day to nerf them?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'out of all the things'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'It matters in that it's tiring to have all your stuff, even bags, nerfed?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'hell if i know'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'why do we care?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'who thought, "hrmph i should nerf this bag"'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'seriously, as players'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'it has bugged me for YEARS '
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'honestly though'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'are there not bigger concerns?'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'Time is taken to nerf WR on bags but significant issues (seemingly) go unaddressed?'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'who took the time to take 5 dex off taesh belt * eyeballs slaar *'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i mean if we think this is a pressing concern ok, but i didnt know anyone cared'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i think it was woldaff but i dont kno his reasoning except that maybe bags dont scale well as is'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'what kuzar said'
.Varjojen tells Devchat:1, 'it would take 15 seconds to unnerf '
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'removing WR takes 0.05 seconds'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'implementing a new tome is weeks of effort'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'I thought WR stuff was related to (then) monk mechanics'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'i think the bags all had something in common'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'ok if you are still saying why work on x when y is a bigger issue in 2015....'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so yeah, let's not compare those'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'seriously guys we aren't here to pick on the people trying to help us out. make useful comments'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'do people HONESTLY want me to look into it?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'THAT will take time'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i will if you want'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but it seems like a non-issue?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'im gonna take that as non-issue'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'next up'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'There are so many more pressing things - it's totally a non-issue'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i really think it's because bags don't scale well so we're like ok do we just give the best possible bag at t5 and thats it? agian i'm not sure'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Sabuti: Ambuscade Expertise 2 - useless tome, why does it exist'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'wish'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i '
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'knew'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'well'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its on my list
'.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'i mean'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'are there plans to remove it'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'first of all having 4 tome lines is not inherently bad'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'you would not BELIEVE how many we get from 6 mans and turruj '
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'literally got ambuscade 2 TODAY like an hour ago'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'just remove it from drop tables - keep it in game, if you want to punt the ball and maybe make it questable later and do something'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'and ambuscade 4 3 days ago'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'actually given how often people yell at me, I *would* believe it
'.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'but it should NOT drop'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'why should it not drop'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'afaik i think tarutao said it was supposed to be removed when another rogue tome went in'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'slaar it literally does nothing'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'and i dont mean its not useful'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'because it's taking up spots for tomes that people really need =('
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'i mean it LITERALLY does nothing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and yeah BLs need a third tome BTW'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i know about this'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'It's for traps. No one uses traps. Traps are icky. Useless.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Admiral Akbar disagrees'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, '4chan also disagrees'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'I know... but I know of no rogue ever who went, "Hey, NEAT, a tome that I can skill on for something I never use" unless they're out of tomes (and yes, I have both ranks banked on my rogue).'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Speaking of BL 3rd tome. How will that work when it goes live? Many (i think all) of the other 3rd "class" tome are already dropping in game except ours. People having years to collect theirs for it to become active'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok, we have it on the short list, it drives me nuts
I will get an answer'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Swiftur: dunno exactly'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'my brain already hurts'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, '
'.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '<3'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'wait wait'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'does that mean i can remove traps'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'FYI, gonna do maybe 5 more, then we need to call it. My suck RL job comes early'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i never liked them and they dont really do anything'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'the only use for them is putting them all around athica'
.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'so sure'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'I honestly have never used them on my rogue.... trained it, and forgot about it.'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'please circle back to bst... motd has said for days that would be the focus of tonight'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'well we kicked off with it'
.Senkou tells Devchat:1, 'then ask some bst questions'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i will recap at the end'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Senkou, I have heh'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Civin: can we have summon food/water/etc in groups of 5/10/20?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'well mages already can i think?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'per slaar, we hate to step on other class toes'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'would making clickies do that make mages obsolete?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but i dunno, i hate summoning foor too
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'clickies are slow and one at a time for that reason, with a few exceptions'
.Awoc tells Devchat:1, 'Othmir Fish Drying Stone is 2x click ^^'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yeah I made that one
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'because reasons'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'rationbelt is real fast'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so maybe it can be considered for other items maybe?'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Red Bubble Pipe nom nom'
.Aakadar tells Devchat:1, 'rationbelt and canteen'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'id like to see food have more meaning in game'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but thats a side topic'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Does food AC work btw?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'hmm'
.Civin tells Devchat:1, 'really, no one who has a gate belt realyl cares about it. i was more pointing it out for the new guys at low levels.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'slaar know? i sort of doubt it'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'it doesnt affect your stats window but yes it does'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'oh there you go'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Fair enough Civin'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'Taryth, I think that it was for classes that get summon: drink/ food'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'taken under advisement'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'o yeah i made bubble pipe too good iteam'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'So they can already summon their own, whereas mages get the good stuff in stacks.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'nod'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'lets grab a few more'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Xenlan: any plans to balance out-of-line Thaz items?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'not sure what you mean?'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'the shield is pretty strong'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'the 2hb is trashcan tier'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ah'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'that one belt is really redundant'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'would be helpful to actually have that post with the specific items of concern'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'i had a whole huge post typed about it at one point with many items but i just deleted it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its worth noting'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'assuming slaariel would troll me and/or it'd be ignored'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'dont need to make it long'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'also it's not an emergency if some items are better than other items'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'just a hey how come these are like this'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i do read almost every post FYI'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i cant respond to them all'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'the problem isnt item A is better than item B'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but if its an even slightly rational argument i will bring it up'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'the problem is item A is better and easier to obtain than item B'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'maybe i am the only one who thinks that is a problem?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'as long as a group of on tier people has a reason to kill a mob then it's pretty okay.. if there is a mob that no one on tier would want the reward from that's more of an issue'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok, need to cram a few more in here'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Xenlan: what happened to Zaela?'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'me again!!!!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'She's still around
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'talk to her a lot'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'but some mobs have a huge spread of items in regards to usefulness, so what happens is people continue to farm it thinking "I'd like this one useful item" and it never drops, so everything rots constantly'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but very busy irl'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'zaela is kicking ass that is all zaela is doing nonstop'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we love Zaela'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'check out zaela's github for cool things also'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'so neat'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Any thoughts on shaman pets being complete garbage at 65 or will it always be that way?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'FYI, that's a terrible way to construct an argument
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Shamans are not a top-tier pet class'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Pets in general are a heated topic'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'see: upcoming WW/PS changes for how much of an issue this can be'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'On that note, enchanter (non-charm pets) are pretty weak as well (I know this is by design, but i'd still like some sort of sword pet specific buff or maybe a spell one could cast to power em up)'
.Daffie tells Devchat:1, 'it is more a survivability issue, not dps when it comes to shaman pets.'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'the low level versions of shaman pets have survived tier 13 encounters! not garbage!'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'nerfing shm pets'
.Dutoit tells Devchat:1, 'I wasn't asking about them being top tier pet classes, it's just right now the pet has 0 survivability, so it's a really low dps dot that dies immediately on any boss that AoEs'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'sounds about right for pets'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'lewls'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Well AEs are something rattling around in my head'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'enchanter pets are fine imo'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'in an ideal world, i'd like this to be handled via things like resists'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i ask for some patience on that one'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its a big deal'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'modern content has the option to exclude pets from all aes and old content will soon have that ability... may be worth changing it for some high end fights'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'because we have to take all the pet classes into account'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but i get what you are saying for sure'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'but i mean up to tier 10-11 is pretty ok with pets... usually they do ok except for some very anti-pet fights'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i dont even bother with a frog on most raid content'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'maybe the pet resist tomes could be changed to be 100%; of the masters resists? that would help with a lot of stuff'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, '"/cm summon a_liability000"'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'i would summon a pet on ed maps and then get sad when it died 1st wave but that's life'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'or more ranks of pet resist tomes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'like i said, it's in the dark regions of my grey matter
'.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'Pets rock on ED maps.... '
.Ikuinen tells Devchat:1, 'what about pet ac/mitigation? like why can my frog pet not tank mobs in eldenals'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Ikuinen: same issue'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'thinking on it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'BLs are a great test bed for some of this'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'cmon....'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'AND SPEAKING OF BEASTS'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'the dru frog pet was added to give druids a friend'
.Daffie tells Devchat:1, 'thanks for looking into it. Just fyi, many zones are anti pet for frog/wolf pets. I play a shaman a lot.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'lets circle back to that before we finish out'
.Admin-Slaar tells Devchat:1, 'not to tank exp mobs'
.Ikuinen tells Devchat:1, 'i like my friends alive not dead'
.Ikuinen tells Devchat:1, 'maybe i'm weird'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'So for folks who missed it'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Here's what's being thought about for beasts now'
.Bigry tells Devchat:1, 'I don't know if I would consider eld's an exp zone, especially considering the frog is ikisith'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'As of yesterdays patch, we can optionally have ALL pets ignore WW and PS'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'this will be happening as fast as I can identify encounters to modify'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'which shouldnt be too hard i dont think'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'will be starting on upper tiers and working down'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I also am looking to get rid of Plague as a first step toward some DOT revamps'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'can you elaborate'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'specifically, I am thinking about making a cold DOT that doesnt suck'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'you must have some ideas in mind'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'sure'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'numbers, etc'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Higher intensity, shorter life'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'honestly, my model, and dont hold me to this'
.Juffington tells Devchat:1, 'quick cast time?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'is the necro fire line of dots'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'modficiations to venom line? rage of the wild?'
.Yusuke tells Devchat:1, 'mage aa for swarm pets are 22 min coold down and a lot of fights do aoes, a lot'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Venom and Rage will be next, I want to do this small'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i learned a valuable lesson'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'dont change too much too fast'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its harder to roll back and its also harder to see the impact'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'polus people hate you more nerfing tons of shit'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Along with DOT changes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'very seriously looking at expanding some BL stances'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'one i am intrigued by are one or more sacrificial "empowering" stances'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'can you please confirm that the current /s 7 (hp share) will NOT be changed?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'that sacrifice your pet in some way to empower other abilities'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I do not have /s 7 on my radar, so i dont see that changing as of now?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'also'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i missed this in my first volley at this topic'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'I love that pets are being changed to be more survivable, but any considerations given to exp? such as bq/cita?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I understand people find no value in Spirit of Tearing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'im considering options for that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i know its not used, boy have i heard that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but i havent found an ideal solution yet'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Kuzar: you are talking raw DPS?'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'honestly we need more improvement than dots and pet survivability. '
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'here's the thing'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'is cunning/sav going to be changed to be non-buffbotable'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we don't know exactly whats all needed yet'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'general pet survivability, those both zones have a decent amount of AEs'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'well i'm guessing they're gonna hit the low hanging fruit first'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Beastlords are amazing, until tier 5/6... then we dont scale'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'just making tearing a lot more dps (and/or potentially a debuff) seems like a good path, since dps is what bst are lacking'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'YES'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'thats exactly it'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'also what tev said times a million'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'you dont scale'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'do the easy stuff, then move to the medium stuff'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we're trying to address that'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'adding raw DPS is not going to fix scaling'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'half second nukes, 1 second dots'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so I'm trying to be creative'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'nukes are the domain of wizards, dots of necros, you cant be the best at those'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'BLs are pet masters'
.Rinku tells Devchat:1, 'Beastlord is no longer amazing in low tier with the recent h2h changes. You can feel that even at lv 55ish with BoE gears'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'everything im trying to do is with that in my brain'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'We know you are. I just fear too much emphasis will be placed on the pets'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'it IS about pets'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but pets as they relate to the BL'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'not just the pet'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Well my pet currently does about 180-200dps... double that'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'if you wanna make it about pets'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'thats not the goal'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its not to make you have the strongest pet'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'we are so far behind every other class'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but imo you should have the BEST pet'
.Tevinter tells Devchat:1, 'what if bst had a 6 second cool down ability that made their pet do a big attack, a "kill command" of sorts'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'giving BST DOTs that do serious damage, with fast cast and decent efficency is a really great way to add scaling dps, it can make bitter cold useful. they obviously wouldnt be as good as necros'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'with more options'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I get what you guys are saying about spells'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i am NOT leaving that out I promise'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i am focusing on pets first because that's the core of what I want BLs to be about'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but by the same token'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'im not making that their sole source of DPS'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'thats dumb'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'That was my concern'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i promise'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'because that seems to be the majority of the talk'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'that will not happen'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'its the talk right now'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'because its the first step'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'sustainable pets on high end encoutners will raise DPS'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but thats not going to fix it all'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'nor will it make the class more interesting'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'I feel like if all aspects arent looked at together, it will be difficult to balance them as changes role in. and one (ie pets) might become the majority of the change'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'please understand i dont want to rush this though'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'These are scared opinions of a person who plays a beastlord'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i will be getting feedback for this whole process'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '<3'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'if you guys all tell me "wtf, all we are are mages with animal pets"'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i have failed'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i dont want to fail
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so i hope for feedback'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but let me do this incrementally'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i think the result will be better'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'if it still sucks, we'll try something else'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'this is my project, i signed up for it'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'What i look at, is bards as our closest comparison class. Lots of similar utility, except bards do 2x the dps as us and our pet on similiar tier'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i have a committment to get it right'
.Matbar tells Devchat:1, 'Better than throwing it all down at once and finding it doesn't balance. Then it's just another "why did you nerf..."'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'so I would hope we end up somewhere just below bards in reference to dps'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'like slaar said, everyone wants more DPS
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i want bsts to have a reason to be in a group'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, '^'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'and a raid'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'double ^'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'raw dps is not the answer'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'watch for dot and encounter changes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i will start a new thread'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'I get what you're saying. Looking forward to whats coming'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'let me know how it goes, and if you have numbers, great'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but this is what i have right now'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'what about the idea of cunning/warcry type raid buffs instead of cunning/savagery to make beasts stack with eachother and bards better, and make it so you cant just cunning before the 6 man fight?'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Any time you want to consolidate threads where you think there are good ideas (into one master sticky), by all means, delete the old ones and start a sticky'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Solosolki: interesting idea'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'my only concern is radically changing their role'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'i meant curse/warcry'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but worth thinking about'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'as a war, i love warcry'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Before this is over. Can you please address dev's stance on updates/changes to crumbling maps recently posted about?'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i also like bst stances
'.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'i feel like the role would remain similar, buffing their companions, it would just be more burn oriented, and stack way better than the current implimentations'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok, lets do curmblings RQ, then i have to go'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'as a reminder, I will post all this in the next couple days'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'it would also be way less tedious as a once per encounter spell instead of a recast on cooldown thing'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'internally, i have a list of topics to raise'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so crumbling'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i read through that briefly, and my brain latched on to tome drops'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'what are the other big concerns?'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Itemization. '
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'other than no one does them
'.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'some of the items are really mediocre'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'No one does them as it is because the items are not up to par with the difficulty'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'mediocre is probably being kind, even'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'seems reasonable to revisit them'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'There are some *really* subpar drops from them, Swiftur did a great job of pointing them out.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'yeah TBH i just havent had the cycles to devote much time to it'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Perhaps adding some quests to incentive - maybe a random shot at r1 pieces (core, glyphs, rune), or some tie ins with existing murk/refuge - i know vah sword is never likely to go on there, but that's also a pipe dream of mine'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i will put some in'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'Some of what he said, I disagreed with, because I think it puts them on T10+ loot, when the encounters are actually more like T7-8.'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'but tome drops in general are kinda a problem i think. I like charm, but currently newer players are stuck between buying tomes so they have something to exp, and saving for charm. old players had a huge, cheap exp sink in COPs while we saved for charms'
.Kuzar tells Devchat:1, 'What solo said is a huge issue and part of what I was trying to say with charms'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'so a little side thing about exp sinks'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'in 2.5'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we will have WAY more options'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'wasted AAs make me sad irl'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'ok folks well'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'we could spend hours
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but im bushed'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'thank you all VERY much for coming'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'Thanks a TON dude!'
.Kayn tells Devchat:1, 'Crown storms, useless druid aa??'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'I have a laundry list of things to review'
.Swiftur tells Devchat:1, 'Thank you so much for your time staff members, and thank you for arranging the chat Taryth'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'Kayn: not in the least
'.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'thanks so much for doing this Taryth and others'
.Vischerly tells Devchat:1, 'Kayn, very situational, but not useless.'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'expect some followup here shortly'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, '^'
.Solosolki tells Devchat:1, 'really cool to get to chat and hear a bit of whats going on behind the scenes'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'nod, we need a content one next
'.Sabuti tells Devchat:1, 'thank you for all the answers, pls look into my skill mods question'
.Alarcon tells Devchat:1, 'This is honestly one of the most refreshing dev interractions I've had in a LONG time on this game'
.Benzu tells Devchat:1, 'thanks. stuff like this should happen every month or so!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'looking at maybe quarterly
'.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'but yeah i agree!'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'i like having to defend my positions heh'
.Dev-Taryth tells Devchat:1, 'good night folks, thanks for coming'
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