New plane of frost loot

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Okay, here is my question, i've talked to dev's and attendant in plane of frost is supposed to be tier 8. please fomelo mellyssa's belt for the first loot in question. now fomelo zinidine's belt. his belt is from generals same zone, supposedly supposed to be easier. zini's belt has more mana, more hp, more usefull stats, and ft2. i understand mellyssa's belt has the nuke on it but 120dmg ever 4 seconds... and considering attendant is supposed to be higher tiered. i understand you cant have all belts with FT2 and whatever, but still mellyssa's belt is missing a lot of crutial things, hp being one of them.

next item in question is fomelo freygh's 2hb. This is a cool item. i like that a good 2hb was added for casters, first one i can think of in like 4 tiers. There's a couple problems with it though. for int caster irandos and UT earth shield is only 25 less mana and 2 more ft with lots more stats like hp and stuff. wis casters have LT water hammer and either 4.2 shield or UT earth shield which is supposed to be same tier as attendant. and with that combo you get more resists (except cr) a lot..LOT more hp, more stamina more everything. and for those of us wis casters that like to melee dps..the ratio is even better on the hammer of the depths. I think this 2hb is very close but right now. our guild going into kill attendant for first time, right on the same tier we are on, the 2hb would have rotted had freygh not picked it up just for fun. and that said we are even currently back gearing a couple people.

I like the idea of the 2hb, it's just a little bit away from actually being useable.

and the belt just needs a lot of work all together.
 
I feel the belt is Veeerry meh. As before mentioned, the belt from the easier wing is much better. Plus no aug slot?
As for the staff.. I say it has it's strong point but the other stats seem to take too big of a hit really. It's easily outsourced by most dual combos from the same tier. but it still seems more on par than the belt does.
 
I think the staff is fine the belt is awefull. In my opinion the staff is fine because its almost as good as 2 loots from the same tier combined. It would be grazy if it was better then a combination of 2 items.
 
i dont want it better then combined two items, just equal, the hp is awful and the ratio sucks too. and there's litereally no beneficial stats other then charisma?


like i said, the staff is close. just a couple small adjustments and it would actually be useable and a cool/fun alternative to the traditional shield and weapon combo. it's just right now the shield and weapon combo smashes this 2hb in usefulness.
 
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like i said, the staff is close. just a couple small adjustments and it would actually be useable and a cool/fun alternative to the traditional shield and weapon combo. it's just right now the shield and weapon combo smashes this 2hb in usefulness.

kinda new to forums, forget this post, i would delete it if i knew how. this was my first attempt at editing the above post.
 
I would emagine sence Melly had a SS belt it was a slight upgrade. You can look at that belt and see it's no where near a tier 8 belt. Mostly the hps suck and also no augment slot is a bummer to say the least. Not to mention 0 ac hehe.. I'm sure if anything the belt will be looked at.

I had a chance to loot the staff on my cleric and he's about tier 4 geared. I kinda wanted it but not bad enough to actually really use it.

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if the items are bad why are the two in question using them? :eek:
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Also becasue Frey talked to a dev tonight after the loot dropped and he agreed it's possible they might need adjusting. He can't of corse do it sence he didn't help create the items. So hence the having them equipt for this thread etc..
 
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We killed the mob in question once, got the exact same loots. Staff was picked up for lulz, belt was insta-rot. We didn't bother to kill this guy again.
 
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if the items are bad why are the two in question using them? :eek:
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the only reason freygh is using the 2hb is for this thread, notice how i said fomelo mellyssa and freygh?

and also im using it because im not quite sure how the cold damage works, im getting 2hb up to see the dps on it, i could be complaining about the ratio over nothing. my first thought is that it's like 60/40 but with a mob having a chance to resist 50 of the weapon damage. LT hammer is 29/20 which is nearly the same ratio but all raw damage. but you would think the 2hb would be a better ratio since you are giving up ac on the shield and other stuff
 
2h also gets a damage bonus over 1h, so comparing the ratios isn't an apples-to-apples comparison.

Reference this thread:

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You should keep in mind that two-handers perform better than their ratio and two weapons perform worse than their combined ratio, even with the best AAs, so a direct comparison will not work.
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Edit: Looking at the staff, I think what's really hurting it is the lack of HP. If this were raised to approximate what you'd get with a 1hander and a shield (add another 100-150hp), I think it would be a decent item.
 
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It's not the first one that dropped, I found it on someone else. This staff is really not bad, could use a STA boost to me that's all. And Range increment, impressive melee dmg and - what people miss out - the stuational unresistible mana drain kinda help with this item.
I don't know how hard Attendant is but this is way more interesting than Alakazaar, which is from a lower tier but specific class (and usually specific class items are boosted). I know it's hard to compare both, but that's teh image of a mighty 2H for casters I have had in mind for a long time, and stats somehow reminded me of this item.

The belt is indeed a bit lacking. I'm sure it will get boosted a bit.

Also I don't know if there is an easy and a hard wing really. Not sure this should be really taken into account.
 
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It's not the first one that dropped, I found it on someone else. This staff is really not bad, could use a STA boost to me that's all. And Range increment, impressive melee dmg and - what people miss out - the stuational unresistible mana drain kinda help with this item.
I don't know how hard Attendant is but this is way more interesting than Alakazaar, which is from a lower tier but specific class (and usually specific class items are boosted). I know it's hard to compare both, but that's teh image of a mighty 2H for casters I have had in mind for a long time, and stats somehow reminded me of this item.

The belt is indeed a bit lacking. I'm sure it will get boosted a bit.

Also I don't know if there is an easy and a hard wing really. Not sure this should be really taken into account.
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you are right the staff isnt that bad. i think a lot of people are looking over my suggestions. i do not think that mana should be upgraded on this item. the mana is fine. but since almost everyone taking this staff will be losing 2ft+ 150+hp lots of wis/int/sta/cha the staff should have something else to offer. okay the combat effect is..somewhat cool. it's just a level 39 enchanter spell. and i really do think the dmg/delay should be looked at also, since it's equal to the 1 hander but slower. 2hb should be better dmg delay then 1hb since you are giving up things like hp, ac and whatnot.

to go teirs much lower. freygh has the scepter of the arch sultan and the door shield from powater. freygh is losing a lot of stats, a lot of hp. the weapon/shield combo has two focus effects, 2hb has one. considering by the time people kill this monster most casters will be running around with entropy/UT earth shield (that's 4ft) or LT hammer and 4.2shield (4.2 is currently broken, but this shield is a pretty staple item for priest casters of this tier)
 
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that belt zinidine got is close to farhag wing belt. about 30 mana less (FT 2 on that one compared to 250 mana and FT1 on farhag belt)

should make that belt mellyssa got like 195 mana or give it a FT1.

but since that prob don't happen i expect zinidine's belt to get a FT1 hit.
 
Tufe said:
Okay, here is my question, i've talked to dev's and attendant in plane of frost is supposed to be tier 8. please fomelo mellyssa's belt for the first loot in question. now fomelo zinidine's belt. his belt is from generals same zone, supposedly supposed to be easier. zini's belt has more mana, more hp, more usefull stats, and ft2. i understand mellyssa's belt has the nuke on it but 120dmg ever 4 seconds... and considering attendant is supposed to be higher tiered. i understand you cant have all belts with FT2 and whatever, but still mellyssa's belt is missing a lot of crutial things, hp being one of them.

next item in question is fomelo freygh's 2hb. This is a cool item. i like that a good 2hb was added for casters, first one i can think of in like 4 tiers. There's a couple problems with it though. for int caster irandos and UT earth shield is only 25 less mana and 2 more ft with lots more stats like hp and stuff. wis casters have LT water hammer and either 4.2 shield or UT earth shield which is supposed to be same tier as attendant. and with that combo you get more resists (except cr) a lot..LOT more hp, more stamina more everything. and for those of us wis casters that like to melee dps..the ratio is even better on the hammer of the depths. I think this 2hb is very close but right now. our guild going into kill attendant for first time, right on the same tier we are on, the 2hb would have rotted had freygh not picked it up just for fun. and that said we are even currently back gearing a couple people.

I like the idea of the 2hb, it's just a little bit away from actually being useable.

and the belt just needs a lot of work all together.
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that staff is ridiculous mana. 425? i thought we were NOT gonna have items with that kinda mana on it?

that item may rival Ashpyre for healers. its 90 mana more and range 7. (heal makes up for the 90 mana but you get my point). Its better than Hammer of the Depths by far.

as for ratio its really 60/40 which isn't that bad.
 
So south wing is really harder ? I guess it's really just Frozen Demigod then, cause the rest is on par with the northern wing - for what I've seen so far.
 
carnitas6 said:
that belt zinidine got is close to farhag wing belt. about 30 mana less (FT 2 on that one compared to 250 mana and FT1 on farhag belt)

should make that belt mellyssa got like 195 mana or give it a FT1.

but since that prob don't happen i expect zinidine's belt to get a FT1 hit.
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You missed the point on the belts I think.

Zini's belt is from the same zone, I'd assume the whole zone would be balanced to the same tier, and was being used in comparison to Melly's, to show the disparaging stats between the two belts from equivalently tiered mobs. (Zini's is truely from a mob in the area that is considered the "easy" or lesser difficulty side.)

I'm sure the belt having no aug slot is an oversight, hasn't been fixed it.
 
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