Modifiers on HoTs vs Standard Heals

stope21

stope21

Dalayan Elder
These tests were conducted on Ringo. The tests were conducted during the daytime.

Problem A: HoT Amplification
Test 1: Remedy
438: Base (in parser)
714: Ringo w/o HI
819: Ringo w/ HI5:

Analysis:
+63.0% Base to no HI
+14.7% No HI to HI5 (working properly)


Test 2: Touch of Vitality
967: Base (in parser)
1577: Ringo w/o HI
1813: Ringo w/ HI5

Analysis:
+63.1% Base to no HI
+15% No HI to HI5 (working properly)


Test 3: Ethereal Cleansing
250: Base (in parser)
361: Ringo w/o HI
414: Ringo w/ HI5

Analysis:
+44.4% Base to no HI
+14.7% No HI to HI5 (working properly)


Appears one or more healing modifier is not being calculated in HoT's. However, this modifier is not healing increment from items.



Problem B: HoT Differences
Celestial Cleansing
+59.0% Base to no HI

Ethereal Cleansing
+44.4% Base to no HI



Problem C: HoT crits
HoT crits are not 2x.

Celestial cleansing w/o crit: 310
Celestial cleansing w/ crit: 523
Normal heal crits are 100% increase.
This is only a 69% increase.

Also appears one or more modifier is missing from the crit ammount.


I have no issue with providing more parses or helping in any way. Feel free to contact me in game, by PM, or in this thread.
 
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What healing AA's did the healer have? How much Tomeage if any? Any specialization bonuses due to race or Thaz augs?

That being said different spells have different methods of determining total effects, so I personally can't say if this is a bug or intended without further research.
 
I think it's pretty clear that two different HoTs (Ethereal Cleansing vs. Celestial Cleansing) shouldn't source from different modifiers. Odd how this is happening though.
 
Zaknafean said:
What healing AA's did the healer have? How much Tomeage if any? Any specialization bonuses due to race or Thaz augs?

That being said different spells have different methods of determining total effects, so I personally can't say if this is a bug or intended without further research.
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stope21 said:
These tests were conducted on Ringo.
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http://shardsofdalaya.com/fomelo/fomelo.php?char=ringo

Healing AA's: All for pally
Tomeage: 8% according to fomelo.
Specialization bonuses: Diety 19%, Race: 5%, 1 Thaz Water aug (+3 energy/defense)


Allielyn said:
I think it's pretty clear that two different HoTs (Ethereal Cleansing vs. Celestial Cleansing) shouldn't source from different modifiers. Odd how this is happening though.
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Well there is 3 issues here:
1) Different hots are modified differently (as you said)
2) HoT crits don't amplify HoTs the same as they do standard heals (2x on a crit).
3) HoTs arnt amplified as much as standard heals.

Either some of my findings are seriously fubared, or there are many errors in the coding of HoTs. This also brings about some concern that there are other bugs within the code (like possibly crit chance differences).

Again, I'm more than willing to assist in anyway and would be glad to help.
 
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This is going to sound odd, but can you repeat the tests at night?

I don't believe HoTs are getting any daytime bonus, among other entertaining discoverys. Wouldn't account for all of it, but gotta start somewhere.
 
Also see if you can't get some data on Cleric HoT's under under similar conditions. When I return home I'll conduct my own set of tests, but since I cant...
 
Zaknafean said:
This is going to sound odd, but can you repeat the tests at night?

I don't believe HoTs are getting any daytime bonus, among other entertaining discoverys. Wouldn't account for all of it, but gotta start somewhere.
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I have no problem parsing them day versus night.
 
Zaknafean said:
Also see if you can't get some data on Cleric HoT's under under similar conditions. When I return home I'll conduct my own set of tests, but since I cant...
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This one, however, is gunna cost ya the 400pp the althuna quest ate of mine!
 
Here are the night time parses you requested!
See my sig for fomelo links to Ringo and Alectro.

healingammountsuc8.png
 
It looks like their is a difference in cleric heals and hots as well (albeit small). Maybe something is done intentionally or unintentionally to hots/ghots. Before someone tries to point out that their is rounding involved, you should note that the rounding would in no way be this significant.

Good find Stope. I doubt anyone would have ever caught the difference (only took 4 years to catch it so far).
 
Confirmed: HoTs not affected by Daytime bonus... FOR NOW!


Trying to figure out the other oddities.
 
Nodnal said:
Good find Stope. I doubt anyone would have ever caught the difference (only took 4 years to catch it so far).
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Yea, thanks.. but to be completely honest its a pretty simple find.

Frankly, I'm quite surprised nobody had noticed these things before.

On another note, I also broke down wizard dd damage about a year ago (after tomes went in) and it all seemed to check out fine.

Diety spec and racial bonuses however, I didn't calculate. Nor have I ever verified that heals are healing for the exact amount they should be healing for. The other thing I have never verified is AC mitigation. The little that I know about the AC mitigation code makes me concerned that it may succumb to diminishing returns at the high end.

Maybe someone could give us some more information on these?
 
Thanks for bringing this to the developers attention. Hopefully now they can fix the now over-powered modifiers on Paladin heals.
 
Actually, I am pretty sure there are diminish returns on ac as during the fun event i had zae's sexy robe and had over 20k ac and was still getting hit for more than 50 damage(anount of damage reduction i had) in elds.

I dont play a tank though so I have no idea how it works honestly.
 
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