Mask of Meddling
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Botiemaster
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I figured Exodus killed AWT and why it wasn't up tonight. Tell me that the mask didn't rot at least?
Our 18 man force could handle FR no problem. I can't imagine it being any more difficult than anything we've killed in the raid game, especially AWT and it's AE. If that stuff AEs deep in FR then I'll rethink things.. but I can't see us having any problems as 18. We have problems with 6 however if the setup isn't just right, but we could blow through the tarhyl mobs for sure with a full force and probably all of the nameds there(we have yet to find one tarhyl named to kill, so we have no clue if 6 of us can kill them, but they sure are good exp so we'll take it.) I don't see much point in it though to invest a raid on FR(lots of upgrades for our lesser geared people though)when there's raid mobs that need to die on raid night. Raid mobs are a sure kill with relic chances. Nameds with PHs are not. We still want to try it at some point just because it doesn't seem anyone else has bothered trying. Should be fun really.
If exodus is running out of mana on a FR named as their 6 they use for FR, I see problems for us killing that same named as 18. It's got to be pretty hard or.. Exodus just needs more killing time on it to get better. Everyone gets better killing stuff after the first time, right? That being said.. sounds to me that FR named is on a tier 5ish difficulty level. And the mask is already better than most of the masks we've seen, not to mention the wrists belts etc you can get there. I don't want my festering mask to be nerfed, but I rather see it nerfed than see meddling become some super power mask that puts tier 5+ raid masks to shame.
So FR named is harder for Exodus than AWT. What to do? Upgrade the FR mask for the difficulty, or keep it as is because afterall it's not a raid mob. But then a lot of FR gear outguns raid gear. My personal opinion is, not everything that comes out of deep FR that's new to the server should fetch 20k. I do believe it should be worth your effort however, whether for money or as upgrades. Forgetting AWT because it shouldn't have anything to do with FR, comparing this mask to festering and considering difficulty it's pretty clear it should have better stats than it already does or festering needs to catch a nerf. Question is how much better before it's stepping on the feet of raid gear at x tier.
Above all else I just want to say not every hard encounter should have huge rewards. I don't know about others, but I personally love the challenge and don't require there to be uber drops. Just good enough for my time.
Our 18 man force could handle FR no problem. I can't imagine it being any more difficult than anything we've killed in the raid game, especially AWT and it's AE. If that stuff AEs deep in FR then I'll rethink things.. but I can't see us having any problems as 18. We have problems with 6 however if the setup isn't just right, but we could blow through the tarhyl mobs for sure with a full force and probably all of the nameds there(we have yet to find one tarhyl named to kill, so we have no clue if 6 of us can kill them, but they sure are good exp so we'll take it.) I don't see much point in it though to invest a raid on FR(lots of upgrades for our lesser geared people though)when there's raid mobs that need to die on raid night. Raid mobs are a sure kill with relic chances. Nameds with PHs are not. We still want to try it at some point just because it doesn't seem anyone else has bothered trying. Should be fun really.
If exodus is running out of mana on a FR named as their 6 they use for FR, I see problems for us killing that same named as 18. It's got to be pretty hard or.. Exodus just needs more killing time on it to get better. Everyone gets better killing stuff after the first time, right? That being said.. sounds to me that FR named is on a tier 5ish difficulty level. And the mask is already better than most of the masks we've seen, not to mention the wrists belts etc you can get there. I don't want my festering mask to be nerfed, but I rather see it nerfed than see meddling become some super power mask that puts tier 5+ raid masks to shame.
So FR named is harder for Exodus than AWT. What to do? Upgrade the FR mask for the difficulty, or keep it as is because afterall it's not a raid mob. But then a lot of FR gear outguns raid gear. My personal opinion is, not everything that comes out of deep FR that's new to the server should fetch 20k. I do believe it should be worth your effort however, whether for money or as upgrades. Forgetting AWT because it shouldn't have anything to do with FR, comparing this mask to festering and considering difficulty it's pretty clear it should have better stats than it already does or festering needs to catch a nerf. Question is how much better before it's stepping on the feet of raid gear at x tier.
Above all else I just want to say not every hard encounter should have huge rewards. I don't know about others, but I personally love the challenge and don't require there to be uber drops. Just good enough for my time.
Thinkmeats
War Is Good For Business
Botiemaster said:
For the record, I'm pretty sure that claim was either bald-faced hyperbole or, at the very least, more a result of gear and experience trivializing AWT than Advisor's difficulty.
All of FR up to the building this guy is in is pretty simple compared to inside the building. He alone is harder than AWT, if you ever try him, you'll see why.
Compare again the 2 masks, the difference is tiny. One comes from a very easy mob near the entrance, the other from the hardest mob in FR and very deep in. I dont think this needs any more explaining
Compare again the 2 masks, the difference is tiny. One comes from a very easy mob near the entrance, the other from the hardest mob in FR and very deep in. I dont think this needs any more explaining
There is nothing on Advisor's loot table that makes him worth killing.. I received a ring with 28 stamina and 65mana from him that was all /all and no HP on it. This ring falls under like.. Eld category
I'd seriously put Advisor on a Zirvane level.. if you could one group Advisor then that same group could almost undoubedtly one group Zirvane. The fact that no one takes 18 to go kill Advisor should say something about the lack of quality for his drops, if he had drops relative to his difficulty I think there would be more of a chance for a raid to go kill him, but with a 2-3 hour clear it would still be a huge time investment for one loot.
Simply put, all of Advisor's loot should be upgraded and I also think he should be given 2 loots for the sheer amount of time that it requires to kill him and the tier of his difficulty. I've wiped more times just clearing to Advisor as I have wiping on him... going to revert back to my original opening statement that "there is nothing on Advisor's loot table that makes him worth killing"
you're wrong here. dead wrong
ginam and i used to 4 char awt with ginam icarium zhak podge and that group wouldnt even get advisor to 80%
just for the effect, im going to say this one more time in case i haven't been clear in my thoughts
there is nothing on Advisor's loot table that makes him worth killing
I'd seriously put Advisor on a Zirvane level.. if you could one group Advisor then that same group could almost undoubedtly one group Zirvane. The fact that no one takes 18 to go kill Advisor should say something about the lack of quality for his drops, if he had drops relative to his difficulty I think there would be more of a chance for a raid to go kill him, but with a 2-3 hour clear it would still be a huge time investment for one loot.
Simply put, all of Advisor's loot should be upgraded and I also think he should be given 2 loots for the sheer amount of time that it requires to kill him and the tier of his difficulty. I've wiped more times just clearing to Advisor as I have wiping on him... going to revert back to my original opening statement that "there is nothing on Advisor's loot table that makes him worth killing"
you're wrong here. dead wrong
ginam and i used to 4 char awt with ginam icarium zhak podge and that group wouldnt even get advisor to 80%
just for the effect, im going to say this one more time in case i haven't been clear in my thoughts
there is nothing on Advisor's loot table that makes him worth killing
Thinkmeats
War Is Good For Business
Zhak said:
It says no such thing. Most of the guilds that would be interested in taking an 18-man team to rumble FR haven't tried and often have little to know idea what actually drops. Not only that, but you can't in one breath say they don't know how hard advisor is and in the next claim that they haven't tried because they know they wouldn't win--the two are mutually exclusive.
Suicide-training past mobs doesn't count :hmph:
Also, unless you think an 18 man raid would have less crowd control or raw dps than your group, nothing that wiped you would be a real danger to them.
AWT is a mob with a negatable gimmick that WWs--if he had gnok-type stats, he'd be much harder to kill with one group.
All that said,
That may indeed be true. All I care about is that it never becomes more profitable to take an 18 man crew farming dungeons than it is to raid low-tier raid mobs, because then why bother having low-tier mobs at all? There's very, very little your 6-man crew can do that a well-coordianted blob of 18 couldn't also do, and those encounters would have to be purpose-built to fuck over zerg forces (see: Bonetower). However, if it isn't worth the 18-man blob's time (because they could be off raiding early torment for way more items or what have you), then I'm happy.
edit: This thread seems to be demonstrating that Festering Mask has too much raw hp/mana more than anything. The Mask of Meddling should probably get some special shit that isn't tier based--that is, other than raw hp/mana--to make it better. The same probably goes for the rest of Advisor's items, provided he's not a normal named with a ph (I was under the impression he was a day+ spawn, like Crystal Oracle--correct me if I'm wrong).
JayelleNephilim
"Helpy Helper"
Yea, I'm pretty sure advisor always spawns unlike some of the other names that have placeholders and spawn randomly, therefore it's loot should be a little more toned down than those that spawn randomly. With that being said, I'm curious how many of the loots people have seen drop. I've only seen 2 of the loots mentioned and it drops more than just two items (obviously).
I didn't say that, read my post. I said that no 18 man raid kills Advisor because his loot sucks asshole and that it wouldn't be worth it.
I've never suicide trained in First Ruins and I would greatly appreciate not being wrongfully accused for it, and unless you have video footage or a string of screenshots that can prove otherwise, please don't bring this subject back up.
No? Ok, but it's still going to take a raid an hour++ to clear to Advisor.
My statement stands that Advisor is not worth killing because his loot sucks.. he's on par with Zirvane if not probably harder and his loot should be somewhere in the same ballpark.
Call it an increase if you will, I just don't understand what this mask was designed for. It's stats are so random, that they make it an ineffective tank mask, a... ok dps mask, and a sub par int caster mask for lack of CHA. I just really wish this mask would take some form as a functional item. however, if you do make this mask no drop, and change it's stats in any form, a slight heads up would be appreciated, as it's banked at the moment.