vistachiri
Dalayan Master
Thread is for:
I) Mage elemental form aa's
1) Stacking issues
2) Zone usage issues
3) Suggested changes
Thread is not for:
I) Things not of the above
Anyways as per what I said in the other thread here http://www.shardsofdalaya.com/forum/index.php?topic=14490.0. Posting this for a discussion of these in the correct place.
There are a few problems with the elemental forms. The most notable being earth form loosing pretty much all of it's usefullness very early on because it fails in stacking with dragon/giant or combine bp clicky. As all the elemental forms are fairly expensive, a mage generally will not have any single one maxed out for quite a while, probably after they have already acquired this clicky. This pretty much leaves one without the desire to use it whatsoever, or having pretty much have wasted aa's if they had acquired it previously. Request is for this to stack with dragon/giant bp and combine, as it certainly wouldn't be overpowering, and would promote a little more variety among the elemental form choices than just. Get air. Get water. Done.
The next (albeit pretty minor) issue is with fireform. Fire elemental form adds intelligence (10 points /rank iirc) making it a very decent choice pre-maxing int. It also adds a hefty dose of ds, but for some reason adds...attack? Making it not stack with sv. Apart from being pretty silly, later on this form has little if any use (once one has maxed int) as while big ds is fun, it has little practical use self only on a caster, and as for the attack...well that's kind of obvious what utility that has for a caster, plus it is the source of the stacking issue. My suggestion for this is to instead replace the attack with something useful, such as charisma (this may run into it's own stacking issues) to eliminate the stacking issue with sv. Though SSS is more desirable for a caster, it is not always available on raids. The stacking issue with sv is a major limitation of the usefulness of the AA, and if changed it would lead to it being more desirable, giving more reason to get this AA early on (for the int bonus) and actually max it later for more reasons than just I ran out of better aa's and it's either this or innate wisdom. Again I don't see the ds as a problem with this AA whatsoever, and it is a fun part of the AA.
Waterform seems to be the most well rounded one, with apparently no stacking issues whatsoever, and tends to be the most used in zones where one can not levitate. I really don't see any problems with this form whatsoever.
Air elemental form's only major drawback is simply the amount of zones where levitate cannot be used. Others have also reported stacking issues with flight of the eagles, though that I think is a relatively minor concern, just get regular sow. It is hands down the most useful form for raids, and even xp groups later on. Personally I think should the levi issue be fixed, very few people would even consider getting the other forms, and as it stands, water and air maxed is all one really needs to ever do because of the stacking issues with the others. I don't particularly see a huge problem with it not being available in all zones, as it seems almost necessary to encourage people to invest in other forms. Getting rid of that issue might make it too powerful.
Anyways that's my take on em' discuss folks.
I) Mage elemental form aa's
1) Stacking issues
2) Zone usage issues
3) Suggested changes
Thread is not for:
I) Things not of the above
Anyways as per what I said in the other thread here http://www.shardsofdalaya.com/forum/index.php?topic=14490.0. Posting this for a discussion of these in the correct place.
There are a few problems with the elemental forms. The most notable being earth form loosing pretty much all of it's usefullness very early on because it fails in stacking with dragon/giant or combine bp clicky. As all the elemental forms are fairly expensive, a mage generally will not have any single one maxed out for quite a while, probably after they have already acquired this clicky. This pretty much leaves one without the desire to use it whatsoever, or having pretty much have wasted aa's if they had acquired it previously. Request is for this to stack with dragon/giant bp and combine, as it certainly wouldn't be overpowering, and would promote a little more variety among the elemental form choices than just. Get air. Get water. Done.
The next (albeit pretty minor) issue is with fireform. Fire elemental form adds intelligence (10 points /rank iirc) making it a very decent choice pre-maxing int. It also adds a hefty dose of ds, but for some reason adds...attack? Making it not stack with sv. Apart from being pretty silly, later on this form has little if any use (once one has maxed int) as while big ds is fun, it has little practical use self only on a caster, and as for the attack...well that's kind of obvious what utility that has for a caster, plus it is the source of the stacking issue. My suggestion for this is to instead replace the attack with something useful, such as charisma (this may run into it's own stacking issues) to eliminate the stacking issue with sv. Though SSS is more desirable for a caster, it is not always available on raids. The stacking issue with sv is a major limitation of the usefulness of the AA, and if changed it would lead to it being more desirable, giving more reason to get this AA early on (for the int bonus) and actually max it later for more reasons than just I ran out of better aa's and it's either this or innate wisdom. Again I don't see the ds as a problem with this AA whatsoever, and it is a fun part of the AA.
Waterform seems to be the most well rounded one, with apparently no stacking issues whatsoever, and tends to be the most used in zones where one can not levitate. I really don't see any problems with this form whatsoever.
Air elemental form's only major drawback is simply the amount of zones where levitate cannot be used. Others have also reported stacking issues with flight of the eagles, though that I think is a relatively minor concern, just get regular sow. It is hands down the most useful form for raids, and even xp groups later on. Personally I think should the levi issue be fixed, very few people would even consider getting the other forms, and as it stands, water and air maxed is all one really needs to ever do because of the stacking issues with the others. I don't particularly see a huge problem with it not being available in all zones, as it seems almost necessary to encourage people to invest in other forms. Getting rid of that issue might make it too powerful.
Anyways that's my take on em' discuss folks.
