Mage versus Beast pets for soloing

speakeroo

Dalayan Elder
Howdy everybody. I tried to search through the forums before making this post. All I could find was apparently mage pet wrecks the other pets in duels. That is not the topic of this post.

I was talking to a beast about his pet, because he suggested I try soloing goblins in ToE (I think it might of been a joke). I am a mage. My pet is getting wrecked pretty hard by the goblins. I can kill scouts, soldiers, and shamans. I have been trying all manner of combinations and a few questions came to mind.

Do Beast pets have a higher base hp?
I.E. what is the base hp (no companion focus or AAs) of a level 63 spell beast pet
What is the base hp (same as above) of a level 63 mage pet, maybe air or water those should be in the middle
What is the base hp of a Relic Pet?
How much hp does the mage AA elemental enhancement add?
What is the base hp of runic mage/bst pets? (as above)

Additionally, I went into the wiki and just looked at base pet heals.
Bst level 63 heal is 1475 pts, 3 second cast time, 10 seconds cool down
Mage level 63 heal is 1215 pts, 3 second cast time, 20 second cool downs

Could this be the cause of our differences with success? His pet heal is 21% stronger (at the base, with AAs/Crits probably much more stronger) and he is able to cast it twice as much. So, within a 30-40 second fight which most of mine last because of rain/runic 1. In theory if his dps was similarly burst, he stilll heals 2.42x or3.63x more than me. I would hope his dps is less than mine, at which point his greater healing ability becomes even more useful (Assuming pet is tanking, or some shared form of tanking. I don't know how bst solo hard mobs)

The information I do not have, and could not find on wiki is about their relative mitigation. So any information about that would be very useful. An additional thought is maybe it is armor. But he does not have pet armor tome done, whereas I do.

If you wanted to know why I was trying the goblins, mainly to farm the shields. They are pretty sweet.
 
if you are talking about purely solo, you have to consider the fact that beastlords get slow
 
playing both classes i will tell you, your comparing apples and oranges essentially. however beastlord heal their pet far better then any mage however a mage pet mitigates and has way higher dps along with the mage itself putting out way higher dps. also beastlord pet generate far less agro then mage pets. and i cant remember base hp but i will tell you runic 2 mage pet in fire form with comp 7 has ~500ish more hp then beastlord pet with comp 8.
 
Me again, with some numbers.

I talked to my beast friend, and got some info on the pet's base hp. For this, we're calling base hp, the hp when the pet is first summoned and buffless. If I made an error in my calculations, please point it out, and I will try to fix it.

His pet, level 63. He has on 40% companion health, raego, SV, and a gruplok collar. Here is the math. (He has conjuration +2)

11396 (Total health
-1300 (Raego)
- 255 (SV)
- 100 (Gruplok Collar)

= 9776 hp / 1.4 = 6982 hp

My pet, a relic pet. I have on 40% companion health, Raego, RFoS, and gruplok collar. I also have the AA elemental enhancement. But I have no idea how much it adds. (I have conjuration +6)

11233 (Total Health)
-1300 (Raego)
- 455 (RFoS)
- 100 (Gruplok Collar)

= 9378 hp / 1.4 = 6678 hp Keep in mind, this value does not take into effect the bonus if any from elemental enhancement AA or the higher conjuration.

Just for the fun, did a level 63 defender of Sihala, his came out to 5544 hp. By the same method. His initial was 9516 and he had all the buffs but no collar.

Could anyone provide any information about their difference ability to mitigate damage, if any? Also, how you came across it or determined it?
 
beastlords get a stance to share damage with there pet, thats about the only real difference in mitigation i believe there is between the pets
oh and slow thats already been brought up
 
beastlords get a stance to share damage with there pet, thats about the only real difference in mitigation i believe there is between the pets
oh and slow thats already been brought up

did it get changed? It's been a while but I'd swear that only the damage the BST was taking was split between them and it did nothing for damage the pet took.
 
did it get changed? It's been a while but I'd swear that only the damage the BST was taking was split between them and it did nothing for damage the pet took.

Ya nothing has changed only damage the beast takes is split
 
It looks like you've found a bug. Spiritual Empathy was always supposed to split damage in either direction, but it looks like the pet -> owner damage split was indeed broken. It should be fixed for next patch. Also, have some fame.
 
Thats one insanely old bug. Honestly, I would hate for it to get changed because i used it to keep myself alive longer, making me take damage from my pet would just make it worse. Butttttt I dont play anymore, so sorry beastlords!
 
It looks like you've found a bug. Spiritual Empathy was always supposed to split damage in either direction, but it looks like the pet -> owner damage split was indeed broken. It should be fixed for next patch. Also, have some fame.

So with the upcoming change what will AoEs be etc?
 
Thats one insanely old bug. Honestly, I would hate for it to get changed because i used it to keep myself alive longer, making me take damage from my pet would just make it worse. Butttttt I dont play anymore, so sorry beastlords!

It seems like kind of a nerf (fixing the bug) but oh well.
 
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